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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:20 PM

I was firm with my concerns and warnings regards to, " Trial by Media"...

To encourage, feed the media with hypothetical fodder discussion based on alleged claims can morph like a mushroom cloud as a tool to destroy ...

This is why we have a legal due process system....

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Reply I was firm with my concerns and warnings regards to, " Trial by Media"... (Original post)
FarPoint Nov 2017 OP
Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2017 #1
gratuitous Nov 2017 #2
FarPoint Nov 2017 #3
gratuitous Nov 2017 #4
FarPoint Nov 2017 #5
BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #6
FarPoint Nov 2017 #7
gratuitous Nov 2017 #8
FarPoint Nov 2017 #9
gratuitous Nov 2017 #10
FarPoint Nov 2017 #11

Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:26 PM

1. I agree.

I'll also add that irrespective of the veracity of the claims against Moore, there are still plenty of other reasons as to why he's entirely unfit to serve as a US Senator.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:44 PM

2. And when the legal system is inadequate?

Statutes of limitations pass, and the law is a lagging indicator of societal mores. It's shameful that it took until 1965 to pass basic civil rights legislation that guarantees the rights and freedoms of the Constitution really and truly apply to all citizens. It took decades of toil before 1965 to prepare the legislative ground so that a Civil Rights Act would be enacted. And in the 50 years since then, there has been a constant, concerted effort to deny those rights to citizens on the flimsiest pretexts.

Many of those efforts have failed, but some have succeeded. If we're going to rely solely on due process, we need durable laws that are strictly enforced. Even when we think we've guaranteed voting rights, there are retrograde forces and judges willing to listen who will dismantle those protections and guarantees (cf. Shelby County and the destruction of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act).

If everyone is content to sit and wait for the legal process to re-engage and clank into activity for the benefit of all citizens, then let's just sit back and wait, and let injustice continue unchecked. Some of us aren't willing to do that, and your concerns are duly noted.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:50 PM

3. Then we make the legal system adequate...

Not resort to witch hunts and Lynch Mob frenzy behavior wherein harm of the innocent becomes acceptable...thus allegations can be media fodder used to destroy....

Ultimately.. it's a proven bad thing.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:57 PM

4. So injustice rolls on unchecked

Got it. Would you folks who have lost your jobs; worked in a hostile environment; or been fondled, groped, raped, or humiliated, please just sit down and be quiet until everyone's on board with this "harassment in the workplace is bad" idea? Thanks. Our society isn't equipped right now to handle these dreadful allegations, we have no way of sorting out the wheat of credibly allegations from the chaff of opportunistic false allegations, and it would be a lot better for all concerned if we could just wait until some time in the future for something.

Nope, I still call bullshit. We can figure this out, and victims don't have to go on suffering just because some powerful men might find it inconvenient to answer for their pasts.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:06 PM

5. We have the power to upgrade our judicial system..

All victims have choices to timely present their claim. What we have going on is a tabloid witch hunt....no standard of measurements, no safeguards. .just if it sounds yucky... destroying the accused...


Finding someone Guilty without due process is not how our Democracy works....

Innocent until proven guilty. .that should include no trial by Media..

Media feeds off tabloid drama for ratings, ratings equals cash flow....not concerned about destroying someone....

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:09 PM

6. Youre trying to reason with someone advocating mob rule. Good luck with that.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:12 PM

7. I agree...

My post history will identify how I attempted reason with the narrow scoped folks....this will be haunting many down the road of Trial by Media.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:19 PM

8. So what happens in the meantime?

As I noted before, nearly a century passed between ratification of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and federal legislation guaranteeing (however tenuously) those constitutional rights. Should we wait another century for victims to find relief? If we can't figure out the difference between credible and spurious allegations now, there's no way enactment of a law is going to cure that.

Nobody's at risk of a criminal conviction right now. There is no due process right to immunity against rumors and allegations, credible or spurious. Some powerful men are being called to account for their past. None of them are being denied their opportunity to answer. Some of them have made an answer, others have mounted a public relations campaign of dissembling and deflection. People will, as they always have, draw their own conclusions, based on any number of factors.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:35 PM

9. People can organize, form grassroots base to empower change...

My focus today is not decompensating, eroding out current Protective Process .. Innocent until proven guilty....

Trail by Media... destroys this liberty.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:14 PM

10. Wait another century then

Got it. Thanks from all the victims and survivors for your deep, deep concern. Better that thousands or millions suffer in silence than one powerful man have to answer a spurious charge.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 03:44 PM

11. Trial by Media is not the acceptable trade-off....

Innocent until proven guilty is the standard....Fix the victims advocacy problem .

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