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True Dough

(17,301 posts)
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:38 AM Nov 2017

In time, do you think the public will largely forgive Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey?

Actor Bryan Cranston seems to think so. I don't see why he would say such a thing, and I don't agree with him. Of course some people may see things the same way, but why go there now?

"It would take time, it would take a society to forgive them, and it would take tremendous contrition on their part, and a knowingness that they have a deeply rooted psychological and emotional problem and it takes years to mend that. If they were to show us that they put the work in and are truly sorry and making amends, and not defending their actions but asking for forgiveness, then maybe down the road there is room for that, maybe so. Then it would be up to us, to determine case by case whether or not this person deserves a second chance. I think in the face of it, we should let that open. We shouldn’t close it off and say: ‘to hell with him, rot and go away from us for the rest of your life,’ Let’s not do that, let’s be bigger than that. Let’s leave it open for the few who can make it through that gauntlet of trouble, and who have reclaimed their life and their dignity and respect for others. Maybe it’s possible. It would be egotistical for anyone to say, ‘I hope he fails.’ To that person, I would say, ‘Fuck you. Why would you want that? So you can be right?’”


https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/bryan-cranston-weinstein-spacey-deserve-a-second-chance/
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In time, do you think the public will largely forgive Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey? (Original Post) True Dough Nov 2017 OP
Forgiving is one thing, forgetting and once again trusting is another. fierywoman Nov 2017 #1
depends on what you mean by forgiven . for Weinstein i don't see him being involved in the business JI7 Nov 2017 #2
I hope the tide is turning at long last and their reputation is ruined. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #3
Weinstein is ruined. Beakybird Nov 2017 #4
Weinstein belongs in jail Bradshaw3 Nov 2017 #5
no Skittles Nov 2017 #6
Kevin spacey I would say yes. SweetieD Nov 2017 #7
Spacey - maybe; Weinstein - NEVER! Lil Missy Nov 2017 #8
No. CentralMass Nov 2017 #9
I'm not sure I completely agree with him in all details Pope George Ringo II Nov 2017 #10
The last few sentences are from a different interview, DLevine Nov 2017 #11
Polanski. aikoaiko Nov 2017 #12
Bryan Cranston should STFU Dorian Gray Nov 2017 #13
2 years. sarah FAILIN Nov 2017 #14
I wish I could honestly say no, but unfortunately I think they will be forgiven nadine_mn Nov 2017 #15
Weinstein, no. Spacey, possibly Freddie Nov 2017 #16

JI7

(89,247 posts)
2. depends on what you mean by forgiven . for Weinstein i don't see him being involved in the business
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:45 AM
Nov 2017

again.

Spacey is different since he is an actor so there might be someone who decides to do something and give him a job. how it's recieved by the public is another matter.

in terms of just forgiven itself that's up to the victims .

Beakybird

(3,332 posts)
4. Weinstein is ruined.
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:54 AM
Nov 2017

Spacey might get another chance if he admits he's a creep, and he compensates his victims. But not that many lead parts go to older men.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
5. Weinstein belongs in jail
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 01:56 AM
Nov 2017

Statute of limitations may save Spacey. As another wrote, it's up to the victims to forgive them, not me and not Cranston nor the movie business. Both had many years of abuse. Who gives a fuck about their careers.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
10. I'm not sure I completely agree with him in all details
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 06:05 AM
Nov 2017

But what I get out of that is that he's saying forgiveness is possible for those who get that they screwed up and genuinely try to make it right. It's not the craziest thing I've read today.

Dorian Gray

(13,491 posts)
13. Bryan Cranston should STFU
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 07:13 AM
Nov 2017

As for forgiveness, it's not our place to give it. It's their victims. I wasn't slighted or attacked by either of them.

Whether they can make a comeback in film? I'm sure if the bottom line meant making money for people, it could happen. But Weinstein is so disgusting and a pariah.

Spacey is a very talented actor. With actual remorse and real efforts to make amends? I don't know if the public can forget. I doubt his victims ever will.

They've helped make a whole industry dangerous for young men and women. They deserve to be shunned from it. Part of making amends is actually living with the consequences of your actions. If they aren't willing to do that, then they aren't really "reformed."

So STFU Cranston.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
14. 2 years.
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 07:28 AM
Nov 2017

They will be off on some other crusade by then. Hollywood and people in general have a short attention span, especially if there is money to be made.

nadine_mn

(3,702 posts)
15. I wish I could honestly say no, but unfortunately I think they will be forgiven
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 07:48 AM
Nov 2017

Or if not forgiven, at least the phrases "in the past", "he has apologized and gotten help" "he paid his debt" "we should move on" will be uttered to justify hiring or working with them again.

Casey Affleck still got his award, Woody Allen is still making movies, an admitted and unrepentant predator is in the WH..we as a society have a tendency to have short memories when it comes to sexual assault.

We have musicians (Chris Brown, R Kelly) and athletes who have done despicable acts, yet we are encouraged to ignore that and separate what they do behind closed doors or in bedrooms from their art or sports ability.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
16. Weinstein, no. Spacey, possibly
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 08:04 AM
Nov 2017

He's a great actor. On TV he's still the smarmy and brilliant Frank Underwood. He's going to be one of those actors/musicians whose body of work transcends their personal foibles, in the long run.

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