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Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:00 PM

The whole 'Ageism' thing is very interesting.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/20/why-ageism-never-gets-old?mbid=nl_Weekly%20111317&CNDID=22872594&spMailingID=12348430&spUserID=MTMzMTc5ODUwMjY0S0&spJobID=1281237764&spReportId=MTI4MTIzNzc2NAS2

Great piece in the New Yorker about how it works in Silicon Valley.

And an interesting little bit:
Like the racist and the sexist, the ageist rejects an Other based on a perceived difference. But ageism is singular, because it’s directed at a group that at one point wasn’t the Other—and at a group that the ageist will one day, if all goes well, join. The ageist thus insults his own future self. Karma’s a bitch: the Baltimore Longitudinal Study of Aging reports, “Those holding more negative age stereotypes earlier in life had significantly steeper hippocampal volume loss and significantly greater accumulation of neurofibrillary tangles and amyloid plaques.” Ageists become the senescent figures they once abhorred.


So, those youngsters who dismiss us 'old farts' become old farts and they have a greater chance of becoming victims of Alzheimers.

As the piece says: 'Karma's a bitch'.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:09 PM

1. That is very, very interesting. It's that whole "Glory Days" thing....

Through Facebook, I can tell that people who were really at the top of their game in high school are often the people who've dropped off the most since.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:20 PM

2. Another point - I've been floored, recently, by people defining ageism

as discrimination against younger people. I'm in my fifties, not the least decrepit, very active, good at my job (even the technological aspects) and I feel as if there are people who are more ready to push me out than mine me for my institutional knowledge and experience!

Well, these are strange times.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 10:19 PM

3. Strange times indeed.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 11:51 PM

4. Gotta love it!

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Response to KPN (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 02:35 AM

6. ???

Gotta love WHAT?

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Response to KPN (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:23 AM

7. The Karma!

As the piece from the article and you said. It really is perfect irony.



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Response to KPN (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:56 PM

17. Ahhh....



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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 11:53 PM

5. Bill Maher brings this issue up almost weekly now.

Our country is growing older yet they want to gut medicare...That makes sense.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:37 AM

8. Chuckle

It’s become fashionable for young progressives on Twitter to refer to Hillary voters as wine moms and other ageist comments.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:45 AM

9. With a way everybody talks crap about millennials this just feels like another dividing point

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:28 AM

12. I thought the article had a very interesting take on the physical effects.

And do you recall: 'Never trust anybody over thirty'?

Perhaps that's why our generation is starting to show those same symptoms.
“Those holding more negative age stereotypes earlier in life had significantly steeper hippocampal volume loss and significantly greater accumulation of neurofibrillary tangles and amyloid plaques.”

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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:47 AM

10. The connection to Alzheimers was especially interesting to learn

It is interesting. I think when we're young, age is in the same category as dying; something that seems so far off in the future that it's abstract, not reality. That makes old people the Other. Combine that with how our culture is not kind to the elderly and reveres youth. Ageism is a tough nut to crack for those reasons.

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Response to kcr (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:38 PM

16. And in reading the article, it's not just our culture.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:48 AM

11. The more I hear about Silicon Valley culture

The more it sounds like a bunch of immature bro dudes.

Much like a frat.

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:29 AM

13. Exactly - a frat with generous portion of misogyny

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:34 AM

15. Spot on. nt

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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:32 AM

14. This made me laugh!

My dad used to say much the same...just in different words.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 12:58 PM

18. People who truly hate usually do hate a part of themselves

Kind of like how racists rail against 'lazy minorities on welfare' yet they don't do any work themselves.

It's projection.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 01:13 PM

19. Interesting that our tech experience hasn't been that way.

Mind you, Mr. Bear is higher level in a large tech company that bought a company that bought a company that he founded back in the 80s. But two things that are really different in our experience are that the older high level people stay and the programmers, engineers, etc. are replaceable whether they're young or old because there are so many of them. Those with long term connections in the field and multiple disciplines that let them both deal with the engineering and the management,training, networking, etc. are valuable and held onto.

The other thing is that the world, particularly the tech world, is FAR more multinational than is depicted in the article. So there are multiple perspectives on aging, family responsibility, life goals, etc.

In my experience aging sucks in that these damned bodies can really get in your way and be painful to an extent that you can't imagine until you're there, but staying on top of what the world, young and old, is up to in every aspect and being interested and engaged gives you great advantages in some ways and not in others. In particular, we older people make poor commodities. We can't guarantee that we have no lives, will be exploitable for many years for little recompense, and will be pushed around by employers without having the confidence to tell them to go fuck themselves.

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