New Roy Moore accuser will disclose allegations at Gloria Allred presser today

[Tanuki]

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/roy_moore_alabama_sex_claims.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home

"An Alabama woman is expected to disclose allegations of sexual assault against Roy Moore during a press conference today in New York.

New York Attorney Gloria Allred is holding a press conference at 1:30 p.m. CST (2:30 p.m. EST) with the new accuser, whose name hasn't been made public. The woman alleges that Moore, Alabama's Republican candidate for U.S. Senate, assaulted her when she was a minor.

"The new accuser wishes to state what she alleges Roy Moore did to her without her consent," a news release from the lawyer states."

[VermontKevin]

1. Right now, Roy Moore is wondering which one.

[NurseJackie]

6. Sad but true.

[moriah]

16. That's the whole point of announcing w/o naming yet.

Get him anxious.

Get him further off-balance.

Make the fact she's going to be openly speaking and revealing herself known to make sure no one claims she's hiding behind anonymity -- she was the victim, she has no reason to feel shame for what HE did, but it still adds credibility even though it shouldn't have to for the victim to identify herself -- but make him sweat all morning trying to figure out who.

Go Gloria! Get that sick bastard.

[VermontKevin]

19. Yep. She's a great lawyer.

[moriah]

29. I am not familiar enough with every case she's done...

... but the one thing you can't deny is if a victim wanted to come forward and put that kind of pressure on the asshole, she's got the ability to get that presser on a Monday.

And unless civil suits come up, which so far none have, really all she's doing is using her pull to get attention for the victim and make Moore marinate for awhile before getting roasted -- and the victim obviously sought her out for that ability, vs just getting a local lawyer wherever they are.

[VermontKevin]

30. Civil suits very much in play. Defamation, slander, libel.

The victims should sue on any and all of those accounts that apply.

[moriah]

32. Well, first anyone sane would focus on getting the allegations out there...

... and seeing his responses, before suing themselves.

Let Moore try to sue the WaPo. Let him really hang himself. It'd generate more ammunition for the victims regardless of whichever attorney they choose for that portion vs just the revelation.

Then when he's well and truly screwed, and NOT even a potential Senator, sue, sue away.

[VermontKevin]

33. That's why there's a long SOL.

I'd want Moore to spew as much as possible.

[mrsadm]

109. Yeah but...

wouldn't there be a statute of limitation on the charges?

[Madam45for2923]

2. w/o her consent...

[BoneyardDem]

22. With or without the consent of a minor

Makes this dude an habitual sicko pedophile

[Maven]

3. I wish that people would stay away from the likes of Allred and her daughter, Lisa Bloom

They reek of opportunism and phoniness.

These accusers have an important story to tell - too important to sacrifice their credibility at the alter of Allred and Bloom's self-worship.

[Johnny2X2X]

5. Agree

Gloria Allred injecting herself into the Trump accusers stories took away from their impact and credibility.

She will do more harm than good. That being said, this woman's story deserves to be heard and respected.

[iluvtennis]

11. Won't deny Allred is an opportunist, but at least she knows how to get accuser the media attention

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. She has been successful

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-gloria-allred-famous-cases-20151113-htmlstory.html

[iluvtennis]

93. Nice article. Thanks

[ehrnst]

17. Do you think there are many lawyers in Alabama willing to

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be a spokesperson for these women?

[sarah FAILIN]

42. no..

And they would not begin to know where to start is my guess.

[oasis]

60. Good point!

[jberryhill]

23. People confuse media exposure with competence and expertise

[LanternWaste]

58. People also believe the former denies the latter...

People also believe the former denies the latter...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. Moore's supporters are going to attack Allred.

OTOH, the chaos that is sure to ensue will keep the story alive.

[Ilsa]

96. They know they cannot sue the accuser.

Allred is the easy target for them. They cannot slander or libel the accusers, and they know by now that there is more than just "something" there.

[calimary]

39. Ummm... beg to differ.

I faced some very rough times, relatively early in my career, that put me in contact with her. She'd come into the radio station once a week to voice a public affairs minute called "Woman to Woman." It was part of an on-going series. Five parts, one per weekday. We ran into each other because to go anywhere on the production/on-air side, you had to cut through the newsroom if you didn't want to go a really long, roundabout way to the production room.

I had been publicly humiliated in a really awful, crude, and seriously sexist way, live on the air by the newly-arrived morning jock, as a way to "explain" to listeners why the female morning news anchor was being replaced by a man. Nobody asked me about it in advance, or told me the extent of what was planned. They did not get into the hideous details of how they planned to illustrate this on the radio. Nobody was interested in how I felt about it, either, whether I was okay with it, or whether I'd find it offensive (so maybe they'd dial it back a little bit). Nope. The morale with all the staff changes was really bad, mine in particular. I knew I had no recourse and no say in this. I was merely expected to play along, without question. It was HORRIBLE.

It was HORRIBLE. Embarrassing as hell. Disgusting and vulgar. One of the worst professional experiences of my life. I'm still embarrassed, lo these 30-some-odd - NO! Correction! FORTY-some-odd years later, to recount the details. It was HORRIBLE. I was sure that whatever credibility I'd built in this market was completely dashed, and my reputation irrevocably tarnished. And I was very young, green, low-ranking, no clout, still fairly naive, easily intimidated, and still new at the learning curve. Age 23. My only consolation as I cried - no, SOBBED all the way home that day was that it was Memorial Day, and probably most listeners didn't have to get up early to go to work that day, so perhaps I was spared because most of 'em probably weren't even awake yet. Morning drive, dontchaknow. Primo slot to work in, but excruciatingly early. Stupid-early, as a matter of fact. Thank heavens for small favors, I thought. Most people wouldn't have heard a thing. After all, holiday Monday mornings like Memorial Day were when almost everybody slept in. Upper management wouldn't even show up, period.

So whaddya know? The next day, Tuesday morning during that same big, high-profile morning-drive time slot, when everyone's back awake, on schedule, listeners on the freeway, their clock-radio alarms (set to our station) having awakened them up in plenty of time to get ready to go to work, the new morning jock REPLAYED THE ENTIRE SORDID DAMN THING ON THE AIR (because he'd made sure to record it the day before when it was done live).

Anyway - she and I spoke briefly, in the newsroom. She'd heard what had happened on the air. She was outraged for me. She invited me to lunch - just to talk. Made me no offers or deals. I went. I basically cried on her shoulder. Literally. She was tremendously kind. Talked to me at length, comforted me, gave me the sense that I wasn't alone - and that somebody cared, and somebody was on MY side. She listened to me, sympathized, consoled. Let me know I wasn't alone. She LISTENED. She cared. And the kindness. She was so kind. I'm literally starting to get teary-eyed as I write (and recall) this. She didn't rush me through lunch or push to wrap things up after such-and-such a time. She let me talk and burble and cry for as long as I felt like it. Then she picked up the tab for lunch and told me she was not going to call me or pursue me, but that she would be there to help me if I ever needed help. She did not bill me for her time. And she never followed up or tried to hound me to hire her so we could make a public stink about it and sue people.

And she was true to her word. She's no ambulance-chaser. She kept our conversation confidential. She was non-judgmental, caring, and tremendously supportive. Being surrounded by men in that job, there was NOBODY willing to take my side or stand up to upper management and their shiny new "toy" (the presumably big-ass big-name DJ and his newly-arrived entourage).Absolutely NONE. Except my husband and my parents, and Gloria Allred. She came along at a time when I needed someone to hear me out, offer objective and seasoned support, and tell me I wasn't just being whiny or misunderstanding the situation or some other definition of "being in the wrong" or "don't take it personally, this is JUST BUSINESS."

I will NEVER forget Gloria Allred. Her personal advice, support, consolation, and discretion - it all meant THE WORLD to me at a tremendously difficult and terrifying time, when I had no other professional allies. She is TOPS in my book. She will ALWAYS be TOPS in my book. I'll be a fan and admirer of Gloria Allred till the day I die. I am honored to be able to defend her, and I'll take any chance I get to do so.

Anybody who wants to diss her, well, go ahead if you must. But you need to hear and understand the other side of the story.

[ehrnst]

40. Thanks for the background! (nt)

[calimary]

84. You're welcome. That's exactly what happened.

What else happened:

Evidently, somebody'd noticed I had spoken to Gloria Allred. There were a few calls coming into the station complaining about what had happened on the air. Granted, my dad and my husband were among them, but there were evidently more than two. The behavior toward me changed a little. Suddenly the GM was calling me into his office, to offer me a "lovely parting gift" of $3,000. My dad heard that and said "if you can get $3,000, you can get $50,000." I'd already suspected as much. The GM also "suggested" to me that if I pursued any sort of redress (like if I sued), "you might never get hired in this city again."

DAYUM I learned so much during that little bit of time! In my head, I was already busy calculating financial and other costs. Okay so $50 grand? And indeed WHAT IF it winds up that nobody will hire me from here on if I sue (and presumably win)? Will $50 grand be enough to live on? Anything I could do preemptively, aside from maybe hiring Gloria Allred to take my case, in which it would be splashy and noisy and covered coast-to-coast? I calculated my "worth", as in clout, and name-recognition value. As in - was I prominent enough, at least locally, that I had some weight to throw around? Answer: NO. "News chick" on rock stations. Never mind that you worked morning drive, on-air. It was the (male) morning jock you worked with, who got the big paycheck, programming's priority, and all the promotional attention. Morning show was the heaviest of the heavy-weights in the pecking order. Still is. All your high-priced big-name talent is on in the morning. All the must-buy advertisers are on in the morning. A good morning show can carry the whole rest of the day and do well in the ratings. Afternoon drive in radio is big, too, but secondary to morning drive.

Success is like that. "The Tonight Show" alone, during Johnny Carson's day, provided one quarter of ALL of NBC's revenue. ONE out of every FOUR dollars the network brought in came from the Carson show. "Today" much the same, especially when Carson was king of late nights. People would fall asleep with their TVs tuned to his channel, and sure enough, they'd wake up the next morning to check on the news - on NBC's morning monolith. Johnny's parking spot on the lot was PRIMO. Do note, btw, that his longtime nightly sidekick Ed McMahon DIDN'T have a parking space that close to the stage door. Nor did he have that size paycheck or promotional prominence.

Anyway - my instinct was to lay low, take the three grand, and leave quietly because THAT reinforced that I had some dignity. I did already have an ace in the hole, though, and nobody at the station knew about that. I was getting ready to leave anyway. I had another job lined up at NBC Radio. I've occasionally mentioned being part of that network's experiment - a news network that programmed to rock stations. Nobody cared about such things until John Lennon got shot. We were already up and running by then, and our New York reporter's coverage was referenced in Rolling Stone magazine's coverage of it.

But I gotta tell ya - I know what it is and how it feels when you read about your replacement in the trade papers - before anybody in charge has the decency to tell you. And because the programming, music department, and upper management got the trades before they filtered all the way down the hall to where the newsroom was, EVERYBODY'D read about me in the pop/rock column, being replaced by the new jock's morning man before I saw it. This "hilarious" moment ensued, wherein I had indeed read the column and saw that I was about to be replaced, and by whom. So as I approached the hallway to the other side of the building, who should come breathlessly hustling out of his office but the program director. He sure was a piece of work. The same guy who roared hot bile and burning asphalt (accessorized with strings of swear words) at all of us at various times, and whose temper was usually dialed up to about two-thousand degrees Fahrenheit (except for the way he fawned over the new morning jock and his on-air entourage), was much different at this moment. He was serious in demeanor, his facial expression was earnest and troubled, his eyes were great big, and his chin was tipped downward instead of jutting out, as if to jam his way into your comfort zone and intimidate you (notice with trump sometimes! Same posture!). He was nervous. He called me by name and said "I need to talk to you." I knew what it was about. I smiled and said so. I believe my comment was "I'll bet you do." We didn't talk for long. At that point, I figured any encounter with him was irrelevant. I was already outta there.

One of the other jocks, in the meantime, let it be known to me that he had a copy of that morning show disaster and wanted to make sure I had it (should I need it for any reason...). He beckoned me through the news booth glass window to come into the studio while he was on the air. He said he wanted to give me a hug. I complied and while we were hugging, he slipped me his copy in a little bag. Wanted to make sure no one saw. I did have a few friends there.

Oddly enough, two jobs later, I was being interviewed by the manager and news director of the FM sister station to that other one. The horrific incident there a few years earlier came up in the conversation. At one point, the news director, a rather brilliant and highly creative woman (who wound up being really terrific to work for/with) blurted out, "so you sued, right?" I corrected the record eagerly, because I never did sue. I liked my work and I wanted to be able to keep doing it. I knew women who suffered abuse and sued, and won. They won A LOT. Which was GOOD. Because that's what they lived on, from then on. They never worked in that capacity again. Btw - they wound up hiring me at that FM station.

I heard Gloria Allred's next client promo'd just a little bit ago. My reaction is: "God Bless Gloria. Standing up for us again! Taking our side when nobody else will! And making the guilty SWEAT."

[KY_EnviroGuy]

46. Thanks for sharing that touching story.

We're all hoping things are improving on that front, little by little, and thank goodness for those that have come forward.

[calimary]

104. Thank you so much!

I'm old enough to remember the commercial slogan (I think it was for Virginia Slims cigarettes) "you've come a long way, baby." Even back then, I'd sneer. "Yeah? Ya think so, 'eh?"

[BigBearJohn]

49. I appreciate your effort.

Thank you so very much for sharing your story.

[calimary]

105. I appreciate this from you.

So few men understand. So few men really "get" this. Especially straight men. Probably because they've very seldom been prey. And with someone like trump, it doesn't even matter if they have daughters.

[flying_wahini]

53. Thanks for that story.

Never really thought of her in a good/bad way. Glad you changed my opinion of her.

[calimary]

106. Thanks, back.

I realize it's easy to regard her askance. She's another "uppity woman." She's not afraid to be combative. A lot of men have problems with that. Women are supposed to be soft and mooshy and yielding. We're the ones told not to complain, not to shout, or make a scene, to know our proper place, and if WE don't think we're in a "proper place", we're expected to shut up, not make a fuss, and "lie back and enjoy it."

We can only HOPE that attitude is dying out.

[Achilleaze]

54. + 1,000

[calimary]

107. Thank you, Achilleaze.

[PearliePoo2]

63. Wow, thanks for your excellent and SO well-written post. I was hanging on every word.

I literally got chills.

[calimary]

103. Thank you, PearliePoo2.

I still thank my lucky stars that this kind of thing is all that happened to me. When I think of what other women have endured, SHEESH. Some of their stories sound positively unendurable - especially at the age they were then. And back then in THAT era. Our fight, as women, for true and full equality and autonomy, won't be over for a long time, I'm afraid. Especially as long as monsters like donald trump and Roy Moore walk the earth and as long as there are masses of Deplorables eagerly providing cover, excuses, distraction, deflection, justification, and all the rationalizing you can eat.

[Glorfindel]

67. Thank you calimary. Recounting your story was a brave thing to do.

I'm sorry you had to experience that unpleasantness (to put it mildly), but evidently you are strong enough to bear whatever gets thrown your way, and who could ask for more than that? I'm glad for the extra insight on Gloria Allred, too. The only thing I knew about her was from her appearance in the movie "Rat Race" as herself.

[calimary]

98. Thanks, sweetie.

Thanks for the kind words, Glorfindel! But I've gotta say - my experience pales next to some of these outrages now being described openly, on audio/video and in print, by women who speak out in public and reveal their names, who've suffered degradation LIGHTYEARS worse than mine! Hell, I got off easy!

And I got to thinking - shit, all these women coming forward. And a close friend just confided that she's suffered more than one rape during her younger days. And at the last high school reunion, we shared confessionals and one came up regarding years of parental abuse - that literally left me stunned and mouth agape like some big deep sea grouper fish! NOTHING was said. NOBODY knew. You really get in touch with that old cliche "there's a world of hurt out there." The bottom line thought that gripped me was - is there NO woman who HASN'T been abused, gravely and grievously, at some point along the line?

And I wonder if people will start taking this crisis more seriously?
Will people instinctively lean toward believing the (female) victim?
Will we get beyond such knee-jerk reactions as "what was she wearing?" or "she asked for it" or "well, it's her word against his" or any number of weasel phrases?
Will giving the man a pass because whatever, mainly because he's a man, finally be a thing of the past?
Will women EVER be treated as something other than a mere plaything for the fleeting and random satisfaction of some man?
Will we grow and evolve OUT of this?

And this too: ARE OUR BODIES REALLY OURS? Seriously? Now that we have an admitted sexual predator and molester in our White House (whom a sizable number of voters still support), does that mean that predatory behavior in general is now okay? Normalized? Validated? Approved? Like the sharks do in the Manhattan real estate world (which is where trump comes from)?

I'm so dizzy with delight that this many women have gathered up their courage, and have been bolstered by supporters, and come forward about these abominations. This shit is NOT okay. It's NOT EVER okay! I don't care if the so-called "pResident" says it's okay. It ISN'T and he's WRONG. And he's not legitimately in that job anyway. And it looks like all these disparate faces and names and voices are standing up, and turning the tide. I've never seen it like this. Oddly enough, during the time I worked at that afore-described radio station where the hideous morning degradation happened, I produced a five-part series on rape that would run during one week's newscast. I interviewed rape victims and counselors and even a perpetrator, to hear it all from them. That was back when women weren't believed. And they knew it. They knew they'd go through hell. They knew they'd be PUT THROUGH hell. The defense attorney would dig into THEIR backgrounds and question their credibility and their honesty and their character and some would be really ruthless about it. And many of their friends wouldn't believe them, either. In effect, it was almost like they were being raped again. Defiled again, being put through all that, after they already suffered one massive and degrading ordeal.

I heard some woman on TV this afternoon remark about how amazed she was that people were actually starting to take the woman's word for it. Which had NOT been the way it was, before. Only now, since Harvey Weinstein, has anything changed. It was teetering on the bring with Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly and Bill Cosby. But now it seems the tipping point has been reached and the actual tipping is now underway.

Amazing. This finally means something.

[Glorfindel]

101. I can only hope that the tide is turning. I was raised by parents who taught us to cherish and

protect our mothers, sisters, nieces, aunts, and cousins. From years of working in health care, I know that this is not always the case, but, as in so many things, silence equates to cooperation. That's why it's so important for victims of abuse and discrimination to speak out, and for the rest of us to believe and support them. So, I say again, thank you for your courage, and for brilliantly telling your story and shining a light into dark places. I am greatly impressed!

[peabody]

78. Thank you for sharing

that. It must have been a hard experience to endure but I'm glad she was there for you. Thanks again for sharing; she seems to be a genuinely good person.

[calimary]

108. Thank you, too, peabody.

I'm grateful she was there for me. I'm glad she's there for all of us women. She's been doing this, on this beat, for decades. My experience was in the late 70s. I had to go back and edit - reflexive assumption that it was 30 years ago. Nope - it was 40 years ago. And she's been on the forefront of this issue since before then. She already was THE legal go-to on this issue well before I ever sat down to that lunch with her that day. She's been On. It. as far back as I can remember being aware of women standing up for themselves against abuse, assault, and molestation. Who else has been, in all this time? Anybody? We've had some big-name high-profile women attorneys - Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama, Attorneys General Janet Reno and Loretta Lynch, Sally Yates, Leslie Abramson, Marcia Clark, Marian Wright Edelman, Amal Clooney, Laura Wasser, Elizabeth Warren, Zoe Baird, Kimba Wood, Lisa Bloom (Allred's daughter), and the handful of women seated as Supreme Court Associate Justices. But there aren't a lot. And it's mainly Allred who's distinguished herself in this particular arena.

Women are lucky to have such an ally. Unrelenting, brilliant, gutsy, shrewd, willingness to put up a fight, and impervious to intimidation.

[Maven]

100. Thank you for sharing your story.

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I'm also sorry that my comment made you relive that experience in some way. I will definitely rethink my opinion of Allred based on the perspective you shared. Thanks for taking the time (and having the courage) to share it.

P.S. Maybe this is petty, but I hope that every last person involved in that episode eventually got their comeuppance!

[calimary]

102. Oh heavens, Maven, NO need to apologize!

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I've actually relived that experience several times, just in sharing with other women, and with my kids. Especially with my son the band boy, who wanted to hear all of my radio stories whenever we were in the car together. Nice to have credibility with one's kids, 'eh?

Most of those who deserve comeuppance, as I've found, usually get what they deserve. The big-ass new-arrival deejay got fired a few months later, after failing to make the ratings go up. He floundered around while his wife, who was a GIGANTIC talent in the voiceover world, brought home the bacon. He eventually landed another gig here in town, and that was a better match. He did quite well, but never quite made it where he really wanted to: in television. He had at least a couple of attempts to launch a late night show, but failed.

Most of 'em from that period wound up getting fired. So what else is new? That's what happens in radio. Sometimes it's deserved, and when it's justified, it can really make one feel pretty good. Linda Ellerbee once said you can't really regard yourself as having arrived as a broadcaster until you've been fired at least once. My dad called up the general manager and complained. He never told me the details but one morning that offending jock went on the air and mentioned me, since listeners were asking what happened to me (which was true!), and he wanted everyone to know that I'd gone on to a bigger job at NBC Radio and they all missed me and wished me well. His sidekick news dude who moved to L.A. with him failed. Got fired, and then didn't get picked up anywhere else in town. I think he went back where he came from. He never made it out here on his own.

The general manager who insinuated that I'd never work in this town again got fired, himself. So did the nasty loudmouth PD, who always got big and read and potty-mouthed in a lava eruption of foul language at the top of his lungs (hard to do when you're barely five feet tall! Napoleon complex, anyone?) - he didn't last, either. I think he did move around in the L.A. market to some extent, but I very happily stopped keeping track. The "good guys" I kept in touch with, and in a few cases wound up working with, again.

I never wanted to make any trouble. Part of the reason I liked being on morning drive. By the time we were finished, after the 9am news, that was pretty much it. We were done for the day, and after some production work (or for us newsies, public affairs interviews and such) we'd leave! Eventually I had to stick around for the noon news, but after that, I'd head out, too. Any way you sliced it, you missed the big traffic rush in the morning, or in the afternoon. Back then, the "lunch rush" wasn't as big a pain in the ass as it is here in L.A. now. For such hellacious hours, commuting to and from work was a BREEZE! Not a morning went by that I didn't have most of the L.A. freeway system to myself! I figured that the only other cars I'd see on the road were other deejays hurrying to work at other stations around town!

It hasn't been as hard for me to relive my experience, as I mentioned elsewhere here, because mine don't hold a candle to some of these! Like the woman who gave tearful testimony with Gloria Allred just today. You could just hear her agony, going back through that in public. Who does that just for a lark, or to make trouble? Gloria Allred would sniff out a phony, anyway. She understands grandstanding VERY well.

And one other thing I'll say about her. She doesn't gossip. Gloria Allred has to have handled most of the biggest and messiest and noisiest sex discrimination or abuse cases over several decades. She's represented TONS of big names and wives-of-big-names. And she doesn't dish about it. It's just not her thing. And you get that, clearly, just hanging around her. She's not that way. Don't expect any "inside dirt." She keeps all that in the strictest confidence. She knows she needs to be trusted. I sat with her for a rather long and weepy lunch that day. NOTHING was ever said about any of her other clients or suspected clients, even to advise or warn me. I wasn't a news reporter digging for some scoop, either. I appreciated that - it was good to know, in case I ever needed to become her client. Which I never did need to do, but I knew I could trust her.

She did tell me, before we left for lunch, that a typical day for her, visiting some radio or TV station or network outlet for one of her frequent interviews, she'd walk down any hallway and invariably pass a woman who'd quietly press a note into her hand as she walked by. She said that happened all the time - mainly to illustrate just how much injustice there was (and undoubtedly still is) toward women in the workplace, how much disrespect, how many violations, insults, come-ons, mistreatment and discrimination of every sort, and all kinds of other predatory behavior we still seem always to be tripping over. She's fought the good fight for so many women who were jeered, sneered at, not taken seriously, dismissed as mere sex objects, liars, golddiggers or "a woman scorned" looking merely to settle scores or ruin some poor unsuspecting man. Watching that latest victim come forward and sob through her story today, out there in front of the world and all the microphones and cameras, willing to face becoming a target, took me back to that restaurant table with Gloria that day. Except there were no mics or cameras there that day, just she and me. And my large wad of soggy kleenex. I'll never forget how she stood by me that day. She's Wonder Woman to me.

[Juliusseizure]

65. Allred should not have taken case

That's not a judgment of Allred's sincerity. But the woman's case may lose credibility with Alabama voters when she seeks a high-profile celebrity Ca. attorney with a feminist reputation. I don't even know Allred's political affiliation.

Allred knows that, and the stakes here are too high not to factor that in that perception.

She should have referred to this any number of high profile lawyers with trusted reputations in that region.

[maveric]

110. They both remind me of F. Lee Bailey.

Opportunists at the worst.

[SweetieD]

4. I'm sure there are many more women who have been silenced or are too scared of repurcussions

To speak. I'm glad these women are coming out and speaking up.

[Jarqui]

8. Me too

Trump got to this one:

Woman suing Trump over alleged teen rape drops suit, again
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

"The lawyer who organized the event, Lisa Bloom, said Trump's accuser had received threats and was too frightened to show up."

[calimary]

41. That's how Steve Bannon "got rid of" his wife, just before he was about to face abuse charges.

They were estranged. They'd had another horrible argument in which he got violent, threw a phone across the room with such force that it shattered, and threatened her in a rage. She had a right to be fearful, witnessing that display up close. He called her up the night before and threatened her, that she'd be sorry, if she showed up in court the next morning to testify against him. She was fearful for their kids and didn't want them in his custody, either. (Shit - I sure wouldn't! Would YOU?) And sure enough, it worked. She didn't show. up. And the judge had no choice but to dismiss the case.

He's a rat-bastard. Hell is too good for him.

[Jarqui]

48. A man who bragged that he grabbed women by the pussy is President

I'll never get over that ...

[northoftheborder]

55. The Pussy Grabbing President being elected OVER a historically....

......competent, seasoned, experienced, intelligent, empathetic, WOMAN has knocked a scab off women't feelings and uncovered the hurt, and the courage, to come forth and TELL THE WHOLE WORLD what has been going on with powerful men taking advantage of the females with whom they have contact and influence over.... and it has gone on FOREVER!!! I couldn't be prouder of these mistreated, but brave women coming forth!!!

[calimary]

99. Nor will I.

[Achilleaze]

7. republicans gearing up to deflect truth

and mount a below-the-radar defense of republican pedophiles. As always.

[TEB]

9. Child molestor rapist scum

[Orrex]

10. These revelations will cement his victory among his frothing Republican base

For all their claims of disgust and horror, Republicans still generally manage to find a way to pull the red lever on the big day.

[Roland99]

12. Id rather vote for him than any democrat.

Heard on msnbc in car a while ago.


These people have been brainwashed so long to fight against anything their pastor or family or right wing media says they must believe. Even against their own faith and morals

[Orrex]

14. They are a cult of idiot racist fuckheads

And they prove it at every opportunity.

[Grammy23]

15. How about they just sit this one out?

I tried to convince some relatives hell bent on voting for tRump (even though they didn't Like him but hated Hillary more) to just skip that part of the ballot. But my pleas fell on deaf ears. Now some of them really, really regret their vote for tRump.

[Old Vet]

21. i wouldnt be so sure about that, Now that Mcconnell has come forward maybe Ryan will follow...

Since they hate Mitch anyway....But this just feels different.

[Orrex]

25. I hope you're right

Every time I find myself thinking "This... THIS will be the revelation too vile even for Republicans to embrace," they come out in droves to say "Nah, we're cool with it."

That's not a reflection on Alabama's idiots, either, because Pennsylvania and dozens of other states have large populations of idiots as well.

[cwydro]

24. Sadly, you are right.

They see this as an attack on their hero.

[IronLionZion]

13. The poor guy is being crucified like Jesus

the liberal media and the shadowy establishment are conspiring to take him down.



I thought about writing more garbage like that but got nauseous. These assholes will defend the indefensible.

[Vinca]

18. LOL - who didn't see this coming?

The line forms here ladies.

[MatthewG.]

20. This will probably help Moore

The spin will now be “Democratic Party shill and media opportunist extraordinaire Gloria Allred is leading an effort to smear Moore. All of the allegations against Moore have thus been discredited.”

McConnell saying Moore should drop out will be seen as further proof “the Establishment” is out to get him.

It’s hard to say with an election like this, but given Alabama’s extreme conservative bent I’d say Moore is now favored to win. Likely more info will come about Moore after the election but by then it’ll be a wash.

[VermontKevin]

28. It's the seating war. McConnell knows he may win Alabama and lose the rest of

the country.

[MatthewG.]

35. Thats true

That’s true. In the intermediate and long run, a Moore victory may hurt the GOP more than a defeat, especially if still more accusers step forward.

[VermontKevin]

36. Oh, wait 'til you see the seating war ads and the disgusting crap this

asswipe will offer as bills.

This is what McConnell does not want.

[MatthewG.]

38. Seating War?

Seating war? Tell me more...

[VermontKevin]

43. Congress can refuse to seat a member.

Here's an example. The Dems did the right thing in refusing to seat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Burris

[MatthewG.]

45. Hadnt been aware of that...

I hadn’t been aware of that. Thanks.

It does seem like the GOP is having an internal split over Moore. I wouldn’t necessarily bet on him not being seated, though it’s certainly possible, but there may be deepening rifts in the Party.

[moriah]

47. The victim is still going to be outing herself as well as him.

Her name hasn't been released yet in the teasers to throw Moore off-balance, but will be speaking up herself.

Now, I know that should not make a difference in whether we believe an accusation, but it does for many. If nothing else, it means she's risking forever being tarred and feathered if something negative but unrelated comes out about her as a result of going public.

And the victim chose Gloria, obviously -- I don't think Allred went victim-chasing. She's well-known for doing free temporary representation and press for women who have something to say publicly. If that's all she does in this case -- let her get her story out there and the attention it deserves -- then even if there might be that perception, if the accusation holds water another credible victim is still going to hopefully make people realize the dude's pattern.

Even though this happened a long time ago, he was the epitome of the "older man who doesn't date people his own age because he isn't mature enough to have relationships with them" in the 1961 "Girls Beware" video. Don't watch it unless you're willing to puke a lpt at victim-blaming, but it actually described the way statutory rape happens quite well.

[BoneyardDem]

26. Another young hussy throwing herself at a pedo...

Satan working overtime.

Pretty sure this is message we will get from his rabid supporters

[The_Casual_Observer]

27. So not only is Moore a pedo, he is a liar too.

This is a real mess.

[Ligyron]

37. and he sounds like a liar too.

Ya don't have to watch too many "Law and Order" episodes to know dissembling prevarication when you hear it.

Moore didn't dare do it on video 'cause he knows his body language would just scream "pedophile".

[Hortensis]

31. Good. A propos of nothing, I've never liked Allred and

would hate to be in a position where practical considerations made her the best choice to represent me. Hopefully, she's paying this woman to be a feature in her self-advertisement, but probably not.

[moriah]

56. If nothing else she doesn't charge fees for these things.

Free representation and publicity to field press questions is, to my understanding, what she offers to women like this victim, or like Amber Frey, etc -- yes, it gets Gloria's name out there too, but the woman gets a free lawyer and the attention Gloria's name is able to get from the public in general for what the woman has to say.

[wiggs]

34. this is why McConnell staked out his position today. Alabama is shaping up, again, to be a major

battle between the GOP and Bannon.

[wiggs]

44. Media focuses on Moore's sex issues but they are FAR from the only

objectionable aspect of his candidacy.

It's all of a part of a weird, authoritarian, paternalistic, trumpian, fearful, hypocritical, backward, ignorant dude's personality and life history. Of course he has trouble with women/girls. Like Trump, he's a dysfunctional, unfortunate human being who likes to punch down at every opportunity.

[spanone]

50. we knew it was coming.....

[L. Coyote]

51. Look at ALL the white male trolls attacking Gloria Allred.

The Republican bots are working to demean Gloria and pushing their conspiracy theory bullshit.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[GoCubsGo]

68. "Gloria Allred" was trending on Twitter a little while ago.

Most of the tweets were in the same vein as that @sportster_larry cretin's tweet. The righties all think this woman's association with Allred makes The Pedophile a shoe-in. If that's the case, then Alabama and most of its citizens are beyond redemption.

As for Larry, I just looked at his feed. The only "sickening pile of SHIT" is the one he sees whenever he looks in the mirror. What a vile creature.

[L. Coyote]

89. They are delusional if they think Russian/Republican bots still frame the narrative.

Close your eyes and tap your toes, and make a wish ....

You can't construct reality with Twitter!

[Achilleaze]

52. republican true colors are #PedophilePuce

Shame

[Scruffy1]

57. I think this a great commentary on American culture.

The fact that he has shown he doesn't believe in the rule of law or at least only the laws he agrees with is never mentioned. Reminds me of a line from an old Wambaugh novel. Advice from cops lawyer:"It's better to plead misuse of the bottle than misuse of the cock."Of course in the South having sex with underage women was a way of life for slave owners and to a lot of fundies it's not a big deal. Like I have maintained for many years fundamentalists don't give a shit about religion. It's just a cover for mysogeny and racism. Same for the whole pro life movement. Complete bullshit.

[oasis]

59. Roy Moore belongs in jail, not in congress.

[malaise]

61. Will be watching

Bye bye Moore - he is history

[moriah]

62. Live stream seemingly about to run

https://www.clickondetroit.com/live/live-stream-gloria-allred-holds-press-conference-with-roy-moore-accuser

[snooper2]

69. It's running, with a millennial who can't stop staring at his smartphone in a darkened room

LOL

https://www.clickondetroit.com/live/live-stream-gloria-allred-holds-press-conference-with-roy-moore-accuser

[Madam45for2923]

71. I see him. Thank goodness that's all he's doing.

[moriah]

91. ROFL...

Sorry, when I saw it seemed like it was in ready for her to show up mode and running, posted the link then didn't want to miss anything.

Probably should have clarified link said it was supposed to start at 2:30 ET

[Madam45for2923]

92. It's all good! I did not miss anything neither.

[Madam45for2923]

70. Showtime?

[spanone]

72. got m$nbc....no mention

[Madam45for2923]

73. The link above is live and we are waiting while we can watch young man waiting with us.

but also can hear people waiting and having casual conversations, LOL!

[Madam45for2923]

74. She is here now! Show--time!!!!

[spanone]

75. and the cable channels are not covering/thanks for the link

[Madam45for2923]

79. Beverly Dale Johnson?

[spanone]

81. m$nbc, cnn...no live coverage

[Madam45for2923]

82. Maybe they want to hear/see first before airing.

[spanone]

83. maybe.....

[Madam45for2923]

85. Beverly Nelson

[Madam45for2923]

76. I feel sad looking at the lady.

[cwydro]

77. Nothing on TV.

So....

[Madam45for2923]

80. Live in this link:

https://www.clickondetroit.com/live/live-stream-gloria-allred-holds-press-conference-with-roy-moore-accuser

[cwydro]

87. Thanks.

I found it.

[demmiblue]

90. Ali Velshi (MSNBC) showed a clip and is discussing it now. n/t

[brooklynite]

86. Accusation is sexual assault/rape.

[malaise]

94. On CNN now n/t

[hatrack]

95. Doesn't matter - he's still up 10 in post-WP polling . . .

Down from where he was, but hey, chicken-fried dumbasses gotta dumbass.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141913171

[Takket]

97. just heard her brave news conference.........

and it is DAMNING

the inscription in the yearbook in Moore's own handwriting should be enough, along with her account, to arrest him right now. You cannot lie, deflect or brainwash away that ink. LOCK HIM UP