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(11,590 posts)
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 02:35 PM Nov 2017

Crossposting a thread from the Virginia Group. **this is important**

Thanks to DU'r ehrnst for starting that thread. I have been alerted by friends in Stafford that there are shenanigans going on and while I posted there, I wanted to bring it to GD for more eyes to see.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10814469 is the thread.

I posted there this information:


Per a friend in the city:

Stafford County Registrar Greg Riddlemoser has thrown out over 1000 absentee ballots on a technicality. He has also refused to release the names of provisional voters in defiance of the State Board of Elections order.

Washington Post has been contacted as has NBC4.

I personally reached out to Dave Wasserman at the Cook Political Report and Benjamin Tribbet -- both of whom were intrumental in making sure Herring's recount was done properly a few years ago.

If anyone knows of a lawyer, let's get a judge to clear this up!
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Crossposting a thread from the Virginia Group. **this is important** (Original Post) Raine1967 Nov 2017 OP
Get thee to the greatest page for visibility malaise Nov 2017 #1
We are trying to! Raine1967 Nov 2017 #4
I'll keep kicking malaise Nov 2017 #20
Is this about the vote counts to determine who controls the House of Delegates? brush Nov 2017 #72
this is a legit issue protest at the uni of virginia and virginia tech certainot Nov 2017 #21
Excellent post malaise Nov 2017 #24
Kick underpants Nov 2017 #2
kick! Jim Dandy Nov 2017 #3
K & R! rogue emissary Nov 2017 #5
Contact the local Democratic Party csziggy Nov 2017 #6
That is happening as well! Raine1967 Nov 2017 #15
Excellent! csziggy Nov 2017 #17
k and r niyad Nov 2017 #7
Kick and rec UtahLib Nov 2017 #8
K&R ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #9
What is the technicality? Roland99 Nov 2017 #10
Envelopes. Raine1967 Nov 2017 #14
SO. They were in an envelope. But not nested in a separate envelope inside that?! Roland99 Nov 2017 #31
Seems so. Shades of Ohio 2004. Raine1967 Nov 2017 #32
Ridiculous to blanket reject them Roland99 Nov 2017 #35
I was a poll observer in Hampton Roads for years angrychair Nov 2017 #11
But typically it;s the GOP'er types in control iluvtennis Nov 2017 #30
Not in this case angrychair Nov 2017 #36
Excellent! Thanks for clarifying iluvtennis Nov 2017 #37
K & R. n/t FSogol Nov 2017 #12
K&R The House of Delegates hangs in the balance lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #13
k&r Little Star Nov 2017 #16
Call the 1-888-OUR-VOTE hotline crazycatlady Nov 2017 #18
Wow, best of luck in this. Ligyron Nov 2017 #19
kick and rec...n/t bluecollar2 Nov 2017 #22
K&R! calimary Nov 2017 #23
kick Happyhippychick Nov 2017 #25
Kick Squinch Nov 2017 #26
They will stop at nothing mcar Nov 2017 #27
KICK bluestateboomer Nov 2017 #28
K&R zentrum Nov 2017 #29
K & R SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2017 #33
Call the Lawyers' Committee RIGHT NOW!!!! Sam McGee Nov 2017 #34
A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2017 #38
The DNC needs to aggressively go after these things. Aggressively. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #39
K&R denbot Nov 2017 #40
The DNC needs to get lawyers on this! SunSeeker Nov 2017 #41
perhaps it's bringing shit like this to,light... dhill926 Nov 2017 #42
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever Nov 2017 #43
K & R mac56 Nov 2017 #44
tweeted to Marc Elias who is Dem lawyer. Justice Nov 2017 #45
Someone please Twitter this. I don't know the hashtags but they Maraya1969 Nov 2017 #46
Seek immediate injunction... tomp Nov 2017 #47
Please give us updates when you hear them. FSogol Nov 2017 #48
This is really the only way that they have left to win - they have to cheat jimlup Nov 2017 #49
How about contacting ACLU? 1-866-OUR-VOTE or 1-866-987-8683 Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #50
Send it to Rachel! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #51
Call Norman Goldman show right not (6-9 ET) he is a lawyer: 1-888-321-6001 Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #52
K&R! gademocrat7 Nov 2017 #53
And another! spooky3 Nov 2017 #54
yet another n/t catrose Nov 2017 #56
kick mercuryblues Nov 2017 #55
Kick for visibility NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #57
Kick Tiggeroshii Nov 2017 #58
Shameless cheating by them. I hope he goes to jail. nt Ilsa Nov 2017 #59
+1, I'm biased but I rarely if EVER hear of dems doing this stupid shit ... maddening uponit7771 Nov 2017 #60
Can't find a current twitter thread for this. nt Ilsa Nov 2017 #61
Kick because it's happening everywhere. raven mad Nov 2017 #62
Kick for vis volstork Nov 2017 #63
K&R Puzzler Nov 2017 #64
knR Tavarious Jackson Nov 2017 #65
K&R UCmeNdc Nov 2017 #66
K & R. n/t DemSoc Nov 2017 #67
Any updates on this? Roland99 Nov 2017 #68
K & R halobeam Nov 2017 #69
Democratic Party lawyers should be involved...have you called them? Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #70
No new updates however, lawyers Raine1967 Nov 2017 #71
Thank you! tosh Nov 2017 #78
Repukes Stealing An Election? DoctorJoJo Nov 2017 #73
K&R sheshe2 Nov 2017 #74
Kick! Rec! Glad Virginians have contacted Washington Post and other media. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2017 #75
K&R MontanaMama Nov 2017 #76
Thank you Raine1967 and ehrnst lapucelle Nov 2017 #77
Huge kick from this ol Mountain Mule! Mountain Mule Nov 2017 #79
K&R n/t mia Nov 2017 #80
Wow! Actually may be good news because it suggests the Democratic candidate won. Nitram Nov 2017 #81
**UPDATE** Raine1967 Nov 2017 #82
**UPDATE 2** VoteVets in aware of the situation: Raine1967 Nov 2017 #83
**Update** Raine1967 Nov 2017 #84


(55,128 posts)
72. Is this about the vote counts to determine who controls the House of Delegates?
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 11:23 AM
Nov 2017

It the official throwing out ballots to make sure the repugs keep control?



(9,090 posts)
21. this is a legit issue protest at the uni of virginia and virginia tech
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 03:29 PM
Nov 2017

one thing that will get high visibility and scare the crap out of the r-cons is to protest 6 limbaugh/trump/GOP radio stations by protesting the universities of Virginia Tech 5 and Virginia 1 that broadcast sports on them.

by broadcasting sports on those stations they're endorsing what the republicans are doing and have been doing. they're letting the r-cons use their mascots and brands to sell advertising and bullshit.

seeing protests to get the unis to look for apolitical alts will get GOP attention and freak them out. media will notice and advertisers will flee. without rw radio republicans have nothing.


(34,156 posts)
6. Contact the local Democratic Party
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 02:45 PM
Nov 2017

Usually they have attorneys on call just for this kind of event. My brother in law has done this in Florida for several presidential races.

If the local Democratic Party does NOT have anyone on call, contact the ACLU!


(11,590 posts)
14. Envelopes.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 03:06 PM
Nov 2017

Reports are that the ballots were discarded because they weren't placed in a smaller inner envelope.


(11,590 posts)
32. Seems so. Shades of Ohio 2004.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 04:29 PM
Nov 2017

The ACLU, the Dems, the VA electoral commission, lawyers, WaPo and NBC have all been informed, so now we wait and see.


(8,974 posts)
11. I was a poll observer in Hampton Roads for years
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 03:01 PM
Nov 2017

In a recount there should be county or state DNC reps (typically a lawyer but not always) at a recount and to challenge the rejection of absentee ballots in a recount situation.

Contact the local Party office or state Party office or the national DNC office. Every race matters.



(8,974 posts)
36. Not in this case
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 04:44 PM
Nov 2017

Virginia law is very explicit on this: both Parties have a right to have a representative in the room during all counting, can agree/disagree with the count and can fill protest to the count or any rejection of a ballot as well as a complaint to the courts.

There is no “behind closed doors” bullshit in Virginia. The only stipulation being that it’s completely at a Party’s discretion to have a representative present or not. Nothing says that they have to be there, just that they have a right to be there.


(7,766 posts)
19. Wow, best of luck in this.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 03:13 PM
Nov 2017

You just know they didn't try to dispose of them to make things fair and just. Bet there's a reason.


Sam McGee

(347 posts)
34. Call the Lawyers' Committee RIGHT NOW!!!!
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 04:35 PM
Nov 2017
Call the Lawyers' Committee immediately 1-866-OUR-VOTE. 866-687-8683


(16,504 posts)
42. perhaps it's bringing shit like this to,light...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:28 PM
Nov 2017

That was the reason for the Election Day hack of DU...


(22,806 posts)
46. Someone please Twitter this. I don't know the hashtags but they
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 05:50 PM
Nov 2017

Should be easy to find out.

I'm on my phone and can't find the Tweet button



(9,512 posts)
47. Seek immediate injunction...
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 06:45 PM
Nov 2017

...against any announcement of winner or ratification of the vote. Also, immediate protest at boe.



(7,998 posts)
49. This is really the only way that they have left to win - they have to cheat
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 07:27 PM
Nov 2017

Either by passing absurd laws or shit like this


(12,448 posts)
57. Kick for visibility
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:42 PM
Nov 2017

Wish I knew a lawyer with experience in election law; I'll ask around my Virginia friends.


(11,590 posts)
71. No new updates however, lawyers
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 09:59 AM
Nov 2017

and others went to Stafford county yesterday. If I hear anything I'll pass it on.

I don't live in that area, I am in another delegate district and my delegate is helping out.


(20,219 posts)
75. Kick! Rec! Glad Virginians have contacted Washington Post and other media.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 11:56 AM
Nov 2017

Also glad you contacted Wasserman and Tribbet.

I don't know those names but sounds like a smart move.


(11,590 posts)
82. **UPDATE**
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 04:22 PM
Nov 2017
- We're still working on this -- right now -- there are 55 absentee ballots in question that are apparently military voters. Our lawyers are working on a court order to get the provisional ballot logs released and to make sure the military absentee voters are not disenfranchised

The information concerning 1000 absentee ballots being "thrown out" was apparently a misunderstanding by an elected official who is fighting for her own recount. She was either told this in error or she misinterpreted the numbers of disqualified absentee ballots. Our lawyers who have looked into this matter don't think that the information on the 1000 disqualified ballots is accurate.

There is a question about a flier that provisional voters were given that contained incorrect info. This flier informed voters that they had until noon on Friday (today) to appear at the registrar's office to validate their ballots. But today is a holiday and the office is closed. Voters have until Noon on Monday, 11/13 to verify their vote. The Registrar has been asked to show us the flier -- this might be part of the court order as well.


(11,590 posts)
83. **UPDATE 2** VoteVets in aware of the situation:
Sat Nov 11, 2017, 10:54 AM
Nov 2017

Text copy:

VoteVets?Verified account @votevets

With a razor thin margin triggering a recount in Virginia's HD-28 election for Delegate, VoteVets is calling on the electoral board to count all military ballots. Thus far, the local electoral board has refused to count 55 military ballots. #VAPol


(11,590 posts)
84. **Update**
Sun Nov 12, 2017, 03:34 PM
Nov 2017

From a friend in the district:

UPDATE #VAHD28 -- We have the provisional ballot logs in hand! Field staff is starting to contact these voters now.

The status of the uncounted 55 Absentee Ballots is still not resolved. Keep fighting on this!
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