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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:47 AM Nov 2017

From Elizabeth Warren's FB page last night

A year ago today, Hillary Clinton earned three million more votes than Donald Trump. She fought Trump. And Russian interference. And FBI interference. And an alt-right media. And in any other democracy on Earth, she would be President right now.

So let’s be really clear: We are not the minority party. We are the opposition party. A party with brains, a party with guts, and a party with heart.

And last night, we proved it.

For 365 days, everyone has had an opinion about what went wrong last year. The pundits. (“I always knew…”) The partisans. (“Of course this loss happened because they…”) Lots of political types certain that they could have done it all much, much better.


https://www.facebook.com/ElizabethWarren/posts/10155280105703687
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From Elizabeth Warren's FB page last night (Original Post) ehrnst Nov 2017 OP
Meh. She's becoming more and more irrelevant. nt LexVegas Nov 2017 #1
I just find her post today rather interesting in light of what she ehrnst Nov 2017 #2
Exactly n/t Lulu KC Nov 2017 #3
Kamala Harris has surpassed Warren and is the future of the party. LexVegas Nov 2017 #4
I like all strong DEMS that don't bash/sabotage DEMS! Kamala Harris is awesome! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #7
+1 mdbl Nov 2017 #12
I have to admit True Blue American Nov 2017 #20
"Right now we need moderates?" couldn't dissagree more. Merlot Nov 2017 #31
+2 Ligyron Nov 2017 #29
+1 Cary Nov 2017 #34
I really admire Kamala True Blue American Nov 2017 #48
Trying to appease everyone? brer cat Nov 2017 #11
I think it was an apology of sorts kcr Nov 2017 #17
Good, but did True Blue American Nov 2017 #21
No. She is a politician after all. kcr Nov 2017 #54
Didn't she come out in favor of that book, and now she's kind of backtracking? brush Nov 2017 #38
Nice message: We will resist. We will persist. And we will win. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #5
It would be good if she stays the course on this latest pivot on the election and ehrnst Nov 2017 #6
Maybe we should give her a nudge in that direction! Positive conditioning, LOL! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #8
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #9
Been offline? Television broken? ehrnst Nov 2017 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author WinkyDink Nov 2017 #15
I'm not seeing "I think there was rigging" in the OP. ehrnst Nov 2017 #18
Nice message. Nt NCTraveler Nov 2017 #10
Great message. K&R mountain grammy Nov 2017 #14
Good. Thanks for posting! nt kstewart33 Nov 2017 #16
Still an admirer of EW. She tripped up the other day, but her pluses outweigh any minus. Fla Dem Nov 2017 #19
Saying HRC "earned" the votes seems like an apology for that. ehrnst Nov 2017 #23
Reading the comments to her statement, lots of Bernie supporters throwing shade her way. Fla Dem Nov 2017 #26
I think we all remember the savaging she got on when she endorsed HRC ehrnst Nov 2017 #32
Absolutely Cary Nov 2017 #35
According to EW rusty fender Nov 2017 #47
But Elizabeth needs to apologize. True Blue American Nov 2017 #22
She lost me, probably permanently, last week. MoonRiver Nov 2017 #24
Me too. BainsBane Nov 2017 #43
Me too. This is not the first time I've seen her pandering to the anti-Democrats, R B Garr Nov 2017 #44
Yes, but for some reason I doubt she will. MoonRiver Nov 2017 #46
Not my cup of tea Tavarious Jackson Nov 2017 #25
Oh by all means, let's turn on Warren! Gosh, THAT will sure do the party good. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #27
This statement on her FB will go a long way towards ehrnst Nov 2017 #28
Indeed. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #33
"maybe we needed the shit-head in the White House now to be elected so people would wake up." ehrnst Nov 2017 #36
Well, I'm sorry Trump was elected, no doubt. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #39
Not just young people running. ehrnst Nov 2017 #40
I'm pretty disappointed by Sen. Warren workinclasszero Nov 2017 #30
I'm not. She's honest. Merlot Nov 2017 #37
And when she then follows up with a post like this one? ehrnst Nov 2017 #41
Warren screwed up big time. But that doesn't eliminate all good things she has done. StevieM Nov 2017 #42
I still admire Warren. Just wish she waited True Blue American Nov 2017 #50
I dont like her anymore. liquid diamond Nov 2017 #45
Where's the apology? She's missing an opportunity. dreamland Nov 2017 #49
So right. True Blue American Nov 2017 #51
+1000. ecstatic Nov 2017 #53
I definitely have less trust in her judgement after the "rigged" comment- RelativelyJones Nov 2017 #52
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
2. I just find her post today rather interesting in light of what she
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:54 AM
Nov 2017

has said concerning Brazile's book.

It seems a bit like whiplash, in terms of speaking of the election and the Democrats.

LexVegas

(6,005 posts)
4. Kamala Harris has surpassed Warren and is the future of the party.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:57 AM
Nov 2017

I have no interest in seeing or hearing anything Sen. Warren has to say.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
7. I like all strong DEMS that don't bash/sabotage DEMS! Kamala Harris is awesome!
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:00 AM
Nov 2017

and I think this is a nice message from Warren.

Everything helps.

DEMS STRONG & GOING FORWARD!

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
20. I have to admit
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:02 AM
Nov 2017

Warren stuck her foot in her mouth on the Brazile book.

Warren is one of the better Democrats, but right now we need moderates. The far right does not impress me.

Collins and Manchin took a big step becoming Honorary Chairmen Of No Labels. We have seen the extremists in action,the back biters and my way or the highway. It is fading fast. We need to be united.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
31. "Right now we need moderates?" couldn't dissagree more.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:39 AM
Nov 2017

Right now we need bold leaders who will do what the people want, not what their corporate masters want.

And I'm ok with hearing criticism of our candidates or infrastructure. That's how we improve. The repubs move in lockstep and always defend and protect the worst of their party (ahem, orange one). That's not what dems do.

Candidates come and go, party platform is why I'm a dem.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
48. I really admire Kamala
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 04:49 PM
Nov 2017

She has a great background.

Elizabeth has much in her past to be admired,too. Mitch refused to allow her to run the agency she created so she ran for the Senate.a nice,big thorn in his side.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
17. I think it was an apology of sorts
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:47 AM
Nov 2017

People make mistakes, and I would imagine she felt pretty foolish when it became apparent Donna Brazille was full of crap.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
21. Good, but did
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:05 AM
Nov 2017

Warren apologize? I would like to see that. Brazile needs to go away.

After I heard Donna blame Obama and Joe yesterday for the collapse of the DNC it proved a lot to me about her character.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
54. No. She is a politician after all.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 02:12 PM
Nov 2017

But today she's apparently walking it back a bit on the "rigged" statement.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
5. Nice message: We will resist. We will persist. And we will win.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:57 AM
Nov 2017

This is our moment in history: Not the moment we wanted, but the moment we are called to. We will not back down. We will not play dead. We will not give up and go home.
The character of our country is not in its President, but in its people. And you are putting up one incredible fight – to build a future, not just for some of us, but for all of us.
We will resist. We will persist. And we will win.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
6. It would be good if she stays the course on this latest pivot on the election and
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 08:59 AM
Nov 2017

the Democratic party.

Response to ehrnst (Original post)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
13. Been offline? Television broken?
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:32 AM
Nov 2017

I guess you haven't seen Donna Brazile in interviews in the last day. She says she found no evidence of rigging.

And Bernie Sanders avoided answering Anderson Cooper's question to him if he thought there was rigging. If there's anyone who would say that there was rigging against him if he had evidence it was, it would be Sanders.

Perhaps you need to get out more.

Response to ehrnst (Reply #13)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
18. I'm not seeing "I think there was rigging" in the OP.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 09:50 AM
Nov 2017

You know - the one at the top of the page, which is from Elizabeth Warren's FB, posted last night.

Praise for the Democratic Party and Hillary, yes. Hillary would be the president if this was any other Democracy, yes.

You are the first one to bring up "rigging" in a way that indicated that there was some sort of evidence there was, or that Warren's FB page was somehow indicating that there needed to be "more rigging" in response to Warren's post.

Is that clearer, Winky?

Fla Dem

(23,352 posts)
19. Still an admirer of EW. She tripped up the other day, but her pluses outweigh any minus.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:01 AM
Nov 2017

She's human, occasionally we all say/do things we regret. This statement was a solid mea culpa. Now in the future if it looks like she's going down a different path, my opinion may change.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. Saying HRC "earned" the votes seems like an apology for that.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:09 AM
Nov 2017

But I would like a direct retraction.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
32. I think we all remember the savaging she got on when she endorsed HRC
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:40 AM
Nov 2017

many from people who were saying the day before that they would support her run for president.

I think that her comments on CNN were a result of remembering that.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
44. Me too. This is not the first time I've seen her pandering to the anti-Democrats,
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 12:12 PM
Nov 2017

and now we see she is trying to backtrack. She should be commenting on how the Russians hacked and meddled in our elections, not blaming the Democrats for whatever the current bandwagon is. Stick with reality, please, Warren.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
27. Oh by all means, let's turn on Warren! Gosh, THAT will sure do the party good.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:28 AM
Nov 2017

For goodness sake. She writes a paeon to the resist movement and points out our strengths and we say, 'meh, she's less relevant each day?'

Lucky the voters across the nation weren't thinking like that or the other night might have been quite different.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
28. This statement on her FB will go a long way towards
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:30 AM
Nov 2017

making up for her statements on CNN, for a lot of people.

As for those not in Massachusetts, what they think of her isn't really relevant to her re-election, and wouldn't have had much effect on what governor or delegate they were voting for. Not sure what you mean by the effect on Tuesday's elections opinions of her would have had.

Although, many people in VA felt similarly about the VA franchise of Our Revolution, who refused to support Northam.

Many who worked with them were actually sharing FB posts that claimed to plan "not voting for Northam, but for the other Democrats who were on the statewide ballot." Started by Russian trolls? Perhaps. Shared by people working for Our Revolution Virginia? Yes.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
33. Indeed.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:40 AM
Nov 2017

Good point. I did not see her statements on CNN, but I have read the excerpts from Brazile's book, of course. I have my own feelings about that and the negative ones involve mostly Wasserman-Schultz, who was just not a good fit for the DNC.

My feeling is there wasn't anything criminal - let's simply fix the situation so it never happens again and move on. Sure Obama made mistakes in paying back the DNC too slowly. But he's making up for it now on the campaign trail.

Clinton saved the DNC, ethics questions aside, and she actually won the popular vote so SHOULD have been elected. Thing is, she'd have been impeached by now.

If you think it through, maybe we needed the shit-head in the White House now to be elected so people would wake up. Because there is one thing that is certain in my mind - as a party we'd become a bit complacent. Now, not so much. This resist movement has been the best thing that could have happened in terms of engaging people who otherwise would have remained apathetic.

We also had some great debate about platform planks.

Now, we are winning elections. That sweep two days ago was quite the thing. Did a lot for my optimism, surely.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. "maybe we needed the shit-head in the White House now to be elected so people would wake up."
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:46 AM
Nov 2017

There were Nader voters who said that about electing GWB. And no good came of electing GWB.

Perhaps the wave of women coming forward about abuse is a good outcome of DT's election - especially against a dangerously vengeful man like Weinstein. But I have to wonder if HRC's presidency wouldn't have given women the confidence to do that, rather than the rage that impelled many who are doing it now.

I hope the platform planks remain. They are the most progressive ever. Universal health care, LGBTQ rights - we can't lose any of them.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
39. Well, I'm sorry Trump was elected, no doubt.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:56 AM
Nov 2017

But yeah, look at all the people coming forward and running. I addressed a group of young Dems running for local office in my state a few months ago at a party class for them. Very cool! We've got a whole young, diverse, smart and activist class of young people coming down the pike. Not worried about bench strength any more, either.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
40. Not just young people running.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:11 AM
Nov 2017

Last edited Thu Nov 9, 2017, 12:25 PM - Edit history (2)

Those who are older and experienced are entering politics for the first time - and that experience and maturity will be an advantage in winning supporters.

For example:

Ayala is a cybersecurity specialist who helped organize the historic Women's March — she was a local president for the National Organization for Women — and quit her job to run for office in the county where she grew up.

Guzmán, who is Peruvian-American, is a public administrator with a background in social work whose platform includes expanded preschool and family and health services, including mental health, and more accessibilty to these services in local schools.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/first-two-latinas-are-elected-virginia-house-delegates-making-history-n818911

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
37. I'm not. She's honest.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:49 AM
Nov 2017

Saying things are rigged is what she's been saying for years, it's practically her campaign slogan. She says the financial system is rigged against the average citizen, she was behind the consumer protections that have been made into law (and despised and watered down by the repubs).

When Warren says something is rigged, I give it a listen. Pretending there were not issues with the process doesn't help. And a lot of people DO believe it was rigged and there were issues. I'm not basing that on Braziles comments, but on the debate schedule.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. And when she then follows up with a post like this one?
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:12 AM
Nov 2017

"Rigged" is measurable, proveable. It is not an opinion.

Warren has provided evidence of our financial system being rigged.

She has not for her statements that the DNC was rigged.

This Facebook post appears to backtrack on those statements.

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
42. Warren screwed up big time. But that doesn't eliminate all good things she has done.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:25 AM
Nov 2017

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I am not as high on the idea of her becoming president as I once was.

But her comments today are quite important and we should celebrate them. I especially like that she called out the FBI for their shameful conduct. I just wish she had listed them before Russia--because our own FBI did more damage to our democracy than Vladimir Putin.

dreamland

(964 posts)
49. Where's the apology? She's missing an opportunity.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:23 AM
Nov 2017

She'd be showing a stronger character if she admitted her mistake. The longer she puts it off, the less we think of her. Only a person of true morals and strong character can admit they made a mistake. Too bad, she had potential.

ecstatic

(32,567 posts)
53. +1000.
Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:21 AM
Nov 2017

I'm done. Where is the candidate who will tell it like it is, fight for what's right, get ALL the facts before bashing another Democrat, and apologize when wrong?

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