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Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:09 PM

Donald Trump was the big loser in Virginia

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/07/politics/northam-trump-virginia/index.html

Donald Trump was the big loser in Virginia
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 9:25 PM EST, Tue November 07, 2017


So, why? Why did a race that most polling suggested was tightening -- in Gillespie's favor -- wind up not being all that close? The obvious -- and right -- answer is Trump.

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Trump, of course, distanced himself from the loss almost immediately. He tweeted just after 8:40 p.m. ET:

"Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for. Don't forget, Republicans won 4 out of 4 House seats, and with the economy doing record numbers, we will continue to win, even bigger than before!"


And, there will be a segment of Republicans who believe it because, well, they believe anything and everything Trump says. But that won't make it true.

But, the simple fact when you look at turnout patterns in places like Chesterfield and Loudoun, is that the lots of Virginia voters -- including some decent chunk of establishment GOPers -- jumped at the chance to send Trump a very clear message that they didn't like what he was selling. They didn't like it at all.

That is a message that Republicans in targeted districts and states will get loud and clear from Tuesday's vote in Virginia. The problem they will face is this: Trump and Trumpism is clearly a problem with general electorates but the President remains an extremely popular figure within the most conservative elements of the GOP, who tend to decide primary nominations. (Remember that Gillespie almost loss his primary against a little regarded GOP opponent who ran as a Trump clone.)

That conundrum is going to be hugely problematic for Republicans as they try to navigate between primaries over the next 10 months and the 2018 general election. To win the GOP nomination, you have to hew as closely to Trump as possible. But, once you win, that close connection -- or even a not-so-close connection -- can doom you among swing voters.

Square peg. Round circle.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:13 PM

1. Cnn and Comcast Media wanted a Horse Race.

Same two bit reporting as last October. Same Reporters,same script,same lame ass remarks,same old same old.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:15 PM

2. K & R...nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:18 PM

3. 4 out of 4 house seats

that were republicans anyway and he counts that as a big win. Lord help us.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:19 PM

4. The GOP pandered to the worst parts of our society.

They pandered to the racists, the white supremacists, the robber barons, the nationalists and the religious extremists. There is no way they can keep them all on board and keep winning. They have made their bed and will have to sleep in it. Problematic indeed!

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Response to Yonnie3 (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:52 PM

8. I have two brothers

who are rabid rethugs, both retired military. What category do they fall into, I wonder?

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:12 PM

9. It is quite possible that they fall into none of the ones I mentioned.

These categories are not the whole of the Republican party. These are the extremists that that the repubs pandered to in order to win. These are the types that I think they are really going to regret embracing.

I know some republicans who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. They understand that compromise is essential in politics. They are aghast at tRump. They fit none of these categories.

What do you think?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:43 PM

5. wait till maggot

sees on 11/6/2018 how much we hate him.
Were coming for you.............if Mueller doesnt get you first.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:47 PM

6. Trump IS a big loser, hence Virginia.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 04:05 AM

14. I voted for Ravi.

Despite the pouring rain and cold, I went and voted. I wanted to make sure that Murphy and Ravi won.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 10:47 PM

7. +1, and VA is a true purple dem turnout state. We just need to repeat this

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:25 PM

10. Oh, this is how Trump is making America great again . . .

by ruining election chances for Republicans.

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Response to tclambert (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:37 PM

11. Make America Great Again by finally waking up the population and getting them

to the polls so they can kick repuke assholes out of office. Thank you Fat Donnie.

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Response to tclambert (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 02:15 AM

13. He's actually Making America Grate Again.

I heard the comment on TV tonight that Virginia Dems figured out how to "weaponize the resistance."

Really? GOD I hope so!!! Now, let it SPREAD from coast-to-coast!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 02:06 AM

12. When someone as vilely RW as Gillespie isn't RW enough,

a party is in serious trouble. And whenever they win, we're all in serious trouble.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 07:05 AM

15. This is also the end of Gillespie's political career. Not Trumpian enough for Trumpists and forever

tainted by what he stood for in those last 2 weeks.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:35 AM

16. Donald Trump is a big loser everywhere. n/t

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 12:36 PM

17. Every time we win makes trump a loser. Again.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Nov 9, 2017, 11:28 AM

18. Big problem for RePutins: choose between losing in the primary and losing in the general

Sucks to be them, and deservedly so.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:56 PM

19. IOW, you must appeal to idiots, then face voters with actual thinking skills

repukes have FUCKED themselves

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