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Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:19 PM

Vote NO on issue 2 in Ohio...it is written by rich ass pharmacy guy to swindle people.

It will make some drugs unavailable to folks on Medicaid and Medicare...as well as the ACA...it will increase the price of drugs tremendously for those with work insurance or some other form of private insurance.

Also...VOTE THE D, VOTE THE D, VOTE THE D, VOTE THE D, as if your life depends on it because it does.

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Reply Vote NO on issue 2 in Ohio...it is written by rich ass pharmacy guy to swindle people. (Original post)
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 OP
brooklynite Nov 2017 #1
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #3
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #2
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #4
NCTraveler Nov 2017 #5
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #9
Trust Buster Nov 2017 #6
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #7
phleshdef Nov 2017 #12
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #13
phleshdef Nov 2017 #15
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #21
phleshdef Nov 2017 #24
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #31
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phleshdef Nov 2017 #26
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #8
Trust Buster Nov 2017 #28
Bantamfancier Nov 2017 #10
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #14
Bantamfancier Nov 2017 #17
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #19
phleshdef Nov 2017 #11
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phleshdef Nov 2017 #18
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phleshdef Nov 2017 #25
phleshdef Nov 2017 #27
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #29
phleshdef Nov 2017 #33
Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #34
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Doremus Nov 2017 #32
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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:20 PM

1. Would it hurt to explain WHICH State is voting on Issue 2?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:35 PM

3. Ohio...realized I left it out so put it in.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:25 PM

2. U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders Urges Ohioans to Vote Yes on Issue 2

 

COLUMBUS, Ohio--(BUSINESS WIRE)--In a final push to encourage Ohioans to vote Yes on Issue 2, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, is placing calls to more than 300,000 voters on Sunday and Monday.


http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20171105005118/en/U.S.-Sen.-Bernie-Sanders-Urges-Ohioans-Vote

I'm not much of a fan of Sanders but he and I both normally hold the same position on ballot initiatives.

I'm not in Ohio and am not very familiar with Issue 2.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:40 PM

4. He is wrong...Sanders should mind his own business....doesn't know Ohio politics...

That pisses me off. We would pay this rich piece of shit's (Weinsteins) legal bills too'

..."And they've tried to make much of this battle about Weinstein himself, labeling him a "California health care CEO" and criticizing the way AHF raises hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue by buying pharmaceuticals at a discount and reselling them. And for using his large, powerful organization to wage political and legal battles.

"He's not on your side," one ad states bluntly"

This guy uses an aids foundation to by pharmaceuticals and then resell them for profit...

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2017/08/post_68.html




https://www.noonissue2.org/about/?source=g_54998747904-229764810409&utm_source=g&utm_medium=ads&utm_content=229764810409&utm_term=54998747904

"Experts say the measure would lead to more red tape and government bureaucracy. Why? The ballot issue contains no language guiding implementation, and the issue’s sponsors slipped in an unprecedented provision giving them a blank check to intervene—at taxpayer expense—in any legal challenges that may arise if the issue becomes law."


Read the Bill...it sucks Sen. Sander should read it more carefully.

https://www.sos.state.oh.us/globalassets/ballotboard/2017/2017-08-17-certifiedballotlanguageissue2.pdf

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:51 PM

5. Thank you for such a thorough reply. Very helpful considering I am admittedly uneducated...

 

about Issue 2.

I'm surprised at the Senator. Like I said, and it's well known around here, I'm not a fan. I still know he and I almost always side the same on ballot initiatives.

The opposition they list at your second link is very interesting. A broad swath of political ideologies seem to be opposing this issue.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:12 PM

9. To be fair different folks say different things about this bill ... but I don't like Weinstein who

is shady in my view. And it is a badly written bill sure to cause massive litigation and ohio taxpayer have to pay for it...no method of implementation either...and it is not known how much the VA pays in many cases. I see this bill denying medicine to folks and driving up the price for others as the pharmaceuticals make up the money lost on people not covered by this bill. I do wish Sen. Sanders would stay out of this or perhaps study it more carefully.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:54 PM

6. The pharmaceutical industry themselves have paid for the no ads listed above.

 

Bernie is right, vote “Yes” on this issue and ignore the misinformation campaign.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:01 PM

7. No he is wrong...this will make drugs unavailable.

Bernie should mind his own business.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:19 PM

12. How is forcing the state to match the VA discount going to make drugs unavailable?

 

I don't think you know jack shit about this issue. I think Bernie knows a lot more about it than you do. I'm certain I know more about it.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:22 PM

13. The pharmacy will pull drugs rather than sell them at a hugely discounted price...this is one state

not national...also there is no implementation and the Bill guy wrote in the we the tax payers have to pay for all litigation which will be substantial...bad bill badly written...and this bill drives up the prices on others who will not be able to afford their medicine.

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170904/outside-experts-assess-ohios-ballot-issue-on-prescription-drug-prices

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:24 PM

15. Thats right wing voodoo economics style thinking.

 

Pharmacies are not going to pull the drugs. They won't make ANY money if they don't continue to sell them. They are still selling them to people who use VA at those prices.

This is the same bullshit that right wingers convey when they say that raising taxes will cause the rich to provide less jobs.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:57 PM

21. Of course they will to discourage other states from doing the same thing...or they

will merely raise the price of those not covered by this bill which is most of Ohio...we will see huge increases.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:03 PM

24. I don't buy that thinking. Thats giving into corporate power.

 

"Make us do the right thing and we will punish the consumer". Fuck that nonsense.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:36 PM

31. This only helps the government...they get the discount...no one else.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:02 PM

23. We don't know what the VA pays first of all...

Next...this covers only the Ohio government buying the drugs (Medicaid/ACA)...no one else gets lower prices but Pharma can charge higher prices for them in order to make up for any shortfall...the is no implementation and we have to pay legal expenses for litigation (taxpayers)...which there will be plenty of...I know a great deal about this bill. What do you know about it? I am sure Ohio or big Pharma won't mind at all if poorer folks on the Medicare expansion can't get life saving drugs...or people with private/work place insurance can't afford drugs whose prices have been raised tremendously. It is a bad deal and I will vote no on it. We need something that will work not this mess.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:08 PM

26. Once and for all, we do have a good idea what the VA pays.

 

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Ohio_Issue_2_and_VA_drug_price_availability

Pharmaceutical prices negotiated for 17,969 government contracts (FSS and VA) are publicly accessible from an online database.[3] Prices for 1,656 contracts are not publicly available, according to a VA spokesperson.[4]


So is this VA spokesperson lying or are you just wrong?

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:07 PM

8. It is a poorly written and designed bill written by a California guy...who runs an

aids foundation and uses said foundations to buy drugs and resell them at higher prices.


"The opposition campaign, Ohioans Against the Deceptive Rx Ballot Issue, lists more than 80 organizations that are partnering to defeat the measure. They include veterans groups, mental health agencies, the Ohio State Medical Association, Ohio Pharmacists Association and the Ohio Chamber of Commerce.

All of the funding for the opposition campaign comes from major drug manufacturers through the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or PhRMA, a drug industry trade group.

PhRMA has donated more than $15 million to the No campaign.

The opposition message is that the ballot issue will raise rather than lower drug prices, including for veterans, while reducing patient access to needed medicines. They also say the measure would be nearly impossible to implement and will lead to lawsuits and bureaucratic red tape.

The group also argues that this initiative leaves out the seven million Ohioans, 64 percent of the state, who get private insurance and, according to the group, could see their prices go up."

Pharma is against it mostly because there is no implementation and it will cost the tax payers who have to pay legal bills for this mess...for any litigation. It is a bad bill and there is no way to even know how much the VA pays.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:17 PM

28. I see you fully buy into to the pharmaceuticals narrative on Issue 2. Sorry to see that.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:15 PM

10. I trust Bernie more than

I trust the deceptive ads that have run everything telling me how bad this bill is.
I have done my research and made my decision.

Yes on 2.

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Response to Bantamfancier (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:24 PM

14. Hopefully, you are in the minority ...this is a poorly written bill and impossible to implement

and will cost Ohioan big when we pay for the litigation resulting from this ill thought out attempt to lower prices on drugs. We do need to lower drug cost, but this bill won't do it.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:27 PM

17. I'm a liberal in rural Ohio.

I'm always in the minority.

But I'll be dammed if I'll allow the buzzards to get me down.

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Response to Bantamfancier (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:27 PM

19. Sure...Bernie endorsed...that is a great reason...oh wait he is a Senator in Vermont...do they have

a bill like this?

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:26 PM

16. I will vote no...

when a writer of a bill requires a state to assume all cost associated with litigation...that indicates the bill should not be passed...and we don't even know what the VA pays...


http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170904/outside-experts-assess-ohios-ballot-issue-on-prescription-drug-prices
I read all sides and made my choice because regardless of intentions ...this bill won't lower costs and is badly written period. We can and should do better.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:27 PM

18. We know for a fact that the VA gets a 24% discount on just about everything.

 

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:56 PM

20. That is untrue...we do not know that. They don't release the figures.

I trust every hospital, AMA, nurses association in the state that came out against this.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:10 PM

27. They release the vast majority of the figures.

 

As I said in the reply above...

Pharmaceutical prices negotiated for 17,969 government contracts (FSS and VA) are publicly accessible from an online database.[3] Prices for 1,656 contracts are not publicly available, according to a VA spokesperson.[4]


https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Ohio_Issue_2_and_VA_drug_price_availability

So we know prices for about 18,000 contracts and don't know them for about 1,600. Do the math.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:08 PM

29. This only covers what the government buys...who do you suppose will pay higher prices?

Everyone else...and I have idea if Medicaid folks will get what they need under this bill...I read it...bad bill.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 11:09 PM

33. You claim to multiple times that we don't know the numbers

 

You've been proven wrong you should go home

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 02:50 PM

34. Well issue 2 did not pass for the reasons I mentioned...it only covered the govenrment buys leaving

everyone else in the cold to pay the bill from massive litigation...we need a better bill that include everyone...so maybe you should go home...hehe.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:58 PM

22. Yes...VOTE NO!

BAD BAD bill and a pure scam. Vote NO!

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:08 PM

30. Thank you absolutely correct, and I did vote no.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Tue Nov 7, 2017, 06:45 PM

32. This is exactly what my landlord told me.

He's an 85 yo white guy and a life long repuke who doesn't have an opinion unless it comes from Faux.

Opposition to Issue 2 has spent $60 million on advertising, waaaay outspending proponents.

Where did all that money came from? I know it DIDN'T come from altruistic groups looking out for our best interests. The thought of that is laughable.

So Issue 2 will no doubt go down in flames and the gazillionaires will pat themselves on the back for the continued revenue stream and voters will thank God they saved themselves from the boogie man.

PS One bright spot, after I schooled my landlord on the no-negotiation rule that Issue 2 was trying to overturn, the man who spent a career selling cars actually changed his vote to YES and told everyone he knows that the millionaires are trying to hoodwink us again. lol


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Response to Doremus (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 02:52 PM

35. It is a bad bill that won't work...I would like such a bill that include everyone.

That way big pharm can't play fast and loose.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #35)

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 05:40 PM

36. Oligarchs fought tooth and nail against this bill. What they are against, I support.

Sometimes it is just that easy.


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