Miniskirt-Gate or just Cosplay? You Make the Call!

[MineralMan]

[True Dough]

1. Abe, oh Abe

[Kirk Lover]

2. No pictures of her seated please.

[Siwsan]

3. How about unattractive, inappropriate and clueless.

She's sitting on a raised stage, for pete's sake! Not a good choice, on so many levels. She must have been using a full length fun house mirror when she decided on that outfit.

[sarah FAILIN]

4. Dear lord that is ugly

That skirt should have been below the knees and it's barely covering her crotch.

Not just because of the setting she is in, but it is just not right for a top with full sleeves and collar that covers the collarbones to show that much leg. It looks like she pulled a school girls prank and rolled the waistband down. EWW.

[SharonClark]

10. I agree she has no sense of style.

I'm sitting here in my PJs and I have more style sense than she does.
Can we bring back Michelle?

[Demit]

22. It's possible that she deliberately wants to look like a little girl.

That family puts a lot of thought into looks. She's going for something here.

[sarah FAILIN]

26. Knee socks and pony tails should have been added then, lol.

The look on top is fine...bottoms seem to be missing. Not a good look to have meeting leaders of foreign countries.

But now that the shock has settled in, Abe needs a larger jacket imo too. No best deressed lists today for anyone.

[Ilsa]

52. Yep. The proportions are all wrong, especially with that flair jacket

with those sleeves. The whole look is clumsy, especially since she was wearing flats so she wouldn't tower over Abe. I think the photo-op should have been a seated one if height was a sensitive issue.

[northoftheborder]

96. she's in 5" heels

very unattractive attire

[Gabi Hayes]

5. Knock knock; whos there?

My knees!

Get it?

[Cracklin Charlie]

6. I don't usually comment on appearance...

And this is not appearance really,

But, is it me, or does Ivanka just always wear really ugly clothes?

I think her physical appearance is fine. But those threads...just not sure. Anyone else?

[Kirk Lover]

16. I don't think she'll make the worst dressed, nor the best dressed lists.

[RobinA]

112. Normally I Think

she does OK with clothes with the exception of the 5" heels during the day, and I like her gowns. However this trapezoid thing is just ugly. I have to think she's trying to look less chesty with that weird jacket and the skirt defies explanation. He's not ready for a GQ cover either. Maybe he didn't want to out dress His Orangeness.

[riverbendviewgal]

7. Not well thought out.

Knees are not attractive on older women. She is not a teenager . I think she can afford to dress more classic as Michelle Obama always dressed.

[Cracklin Charlie]

8. Nobody outdress Ms. Obama...

Girl could wear a tablecloth!

[moriah]

12. She's younger than me.

I guess I'm old. I don't show my knees because my legs aren't attractive, but it has nothing to do with my age, under 40.

Criticize the fact the outfit would be ugly and frumpy on even an 18 year old with her coloring. Peachy-pink is just.... not for people with certain skin/hair combos.

[Kirk Lover]

19. Here's the thing...it's unprofessional. If she's going out a night on the town or whatever...fine.

But really should that be worn in a professional environment...like say oh repping the USA overseas?

I tell ya this...that skirt would not fly at my company on anyone because it is unprofessional.

[tammywammy]

24. A skirt that short is unprofessional

It would be that way where I work too. I've seen a couple of women where skirts that short, a couple in many years. It stands out. I wear a lot of skirts and dresses to work none are shorter than top of my knee.

[Kirk Lover]

25. I don't expect Ivanka to know this since she's never had a real job. LOL

[moriah]

34. Are you female? Have you tried to find rack clothes that fit you?

I'm 5'1 and a mid-calf skirt comes to my ankle. At 5'11, a mini designed to fit "just above the knee" is probably going to be shorter than that.

I don't like the outfit. I think she could have chosen something much more attractive and as "modest" by choosing a form-fitting top and a pencil mini vs a loose one. And the pencil mini probably would have helped any crossed leg issues. Instead, she looks like she dressed up to look like lolicon-bait, flashing legs and hiding all her figure.

And that has nothing to do with the amount of flesh showing, but the figure NOT showing.

But I am sick and fucking tired of men whose main resentment about female clothes seems to be that they're stuck in a suit and tie, or who feel that the sight of non-FCC censored skin is harassment, deciding what is and is not "professional" for women.

I'll happily support No-Tie Tuesdays if men want to change the standards of "professional business attire" for themselves.

[Kirk Lover]

36. Yes I'm female and this skirt is hardly above the knee. I ain't a prude nor a wallflower.

I'm very liberal and "politically incorrect" so I figure if I think this is inappropriate then it is. No I would not wear that short a shirt to a corporate business function...period. It is unprofessional for the setting.

Now if she was in the fashion industry or something of that nature well then that would be fine. But she's not.

[moriah]

39. Yes, liberal people really believe their own opinions are always correct.

It's inappropriate because she looks like she's cosplaying tall 12 year old lolibait and the skirt is shaped funky, as demonstrated by the sitting picture.

Not because of the skirt length itself. There are skirts that length you can sit in that don't turn into booty shorts. That's why they make pencil minis with vents.

[treestar]

59. what is lolibait?

google shows it has to do with videogames or anime?

[moriah]

71. .... someone else referenced the ... uh, predilection...

... of some Japanese animation to sexualize underdeveloped female bodies.

The drawings that depict this are referred to as "lolicon". So too, in Japanese culture, men who are into that kind of thing are referred to as "lolicons".

There's a fashion for women, also popular in Japan, that's not intended to be sexual that diminishes emphasis on female secondary sexual characteristics and essentially is like a very dressed up child from long ago, but most of that fashion trend that is also referred to as "loli" doesn't involve showing legs like Ivanka was doing -- poofy, long skirts are more common. Honestly the women, IMHO, look like they're dressed like the ball-jointed-dolls those into it in America also seem to enjoy collecting, not sexualized at all.

Ivanka's outfit, by hiding all secondary sexual characteristics and just showing off her legs, is a little freaky to me because I have sadly dealt with people in America who are really, really into that -- and not because they are women who think they look cute dressed that way themselves, but because they weree adult men who had issues.

[treestar]

72. thank you !

quite interesting.

[Hekate]

97. I'm also short, so skirt and slacks lengths are an issue. But "off the rack" for Ivanka? Naaah

First, she's a very rich woman, and was born rich. Second, she actually has her own clothing line and purports to give "advice" to working mothers. (Pardon me while I laugh myself silly over Ivanka's advice.)

Her Daddy claims to be a multi-billionaire, yet his suits fit abominably. He could have his own bespoke shirts and suits fitted by the best tailors -- but like his hair, it remains a mystery why he looks the way he does.

One thing is certain, based on all the photos we have of the various Trump Women: wearing Eff Me high heels must be in all the prenups, and Ivanka was raised the same.

Just a side note on height: my sister is also 5'11" and skirt and slacks lengths have been even a worse problem for her than for me at 5'4". At least I can hem things up. We're not rich people like the Trumps, so hiring tailors to design from the bolt up is out of the question. American women's apparel manufacturers don't offer quite enough flexibility.

[moriah]

102. The outfit has been identified as a Miu Miu -- $1200 for the skirt alone.

https://www.net-a-porter.com/us/en/product/811314/miu_miu/embellished-cady-mini-skirt

Matching jacket: $1,900

https://www.net-a-porter.com/us/en/product/811295/miu_miu/cropped-embellished-crepe-jacket

Model is 5'10. When standing Ivanka actually looks like she's wearing it possibly lower than the model in the picture.

Still, it's harder to add material than hem.

[bettyellen]

108. If she was a good customer she could have special ordered it at whatever length she preferred...

I'm going to guess her own company bought that in order to copy it for her line, and then she just grabbed it as a feeebie. I'd be shocked if a cheesey version of it wasn't on her line for next Spring.

[yardwork]

110. It's ugly and poorly cut. Just a very bad design.

[RobinA]

113. It Is Shorter

on the model, and just as damn hideous. Something that expensive looks so cheap. And I mean cheap as in poorly made. Sheesh...

[hedda_foil]

31. Not just knees, but bare knees. Nobody over 30 should even think about it. UGGLEEE.

It seems to have been in style since at least '08, but at least nobody was wearing micro-mini skirts that exposed their knees and varicose veins at the same time.

[mythology]

99. As a guy with 12 scars on my knees, and who hangs out with women 30 plus who still train gymnastics

I can't imagine caring if a woman of any age shows her knees. We all have "flaws", so what? I don't hide that I'm bald for example.

[kcr]

121. Yeah! Old women, Right? Barf!. Why should they even show them selves in public at all??

HIDEEUUUUS!!!!!!!

[grossproffit]

37. Oh FFS!

[MountCleaners]

100. I'm fifty

And I wear skirts that come to just above the knee. I work out and have good legs. But I would NOT wear a skirt that short, even if I were her age. It is too short and the a-line cut is bad. The look also doesn't work with tall women who are also wearing really high heels.

[moriah]

9. I'm not going to shame for showing flesh.

But damn, that outfit is both ugly and unflattering.

Her choice, but then again I'm rather prejudiced against peachy-pink in clothing on people who can't carry it off. I'm a ginger, I certainly can't. And it doesn't look like she can't either. It looks better on people with different coloring IMHO.

[tammywammy]

13. The shape of the top doesn't match with a short skirt.

As a fellow ginger I also don't wear that color and agree it doesn't look like she should either.

[moriah]

23. Honestly that's what makes it look the weirdest.

I'm sure a form-fitting top and pencil mini would have shown just as much skin, but probably looked more flattering. People would still say she was dressing to show off her body, but hell, if you have it and want to flaunt it I'm not going to judge.

Not showing waist but showing legs really does make her look like a very tall 12 year old. (And if I can't find "mid-calf" skirts that aren't actually ankle-length at 5'1, I bet it's not easy to find above-knee skirts at 5'11 that don't look like minis. Again, trying to be fair.)

But there's no accounting for taste, and I really don't think her "fashion sense" matches mine. To put it kindly.

[sarah FAILIN]

33. This is my thing with it too.

A skirt that short should be paired with an equally skimpy top as in no sleeves in summer hanging out with friends by the pool having cocktails before going out for the evening. This is not the outfit for meeting anyone important.

My husband bought some pants on clearance once because they were super cheap even though they were way too long. He had me hem them the right length, but they looked like bell bottoms because I didn't realize I needed to taper the leg as well as shorten them. That's the picture in my head when I see this outfit. Poorly fitting clothes that shouldn't have been altered in the first place.

[moriah]

35. Or as I said, tailored top and pencil mini.

Again, if you have the legs to pull an outfit off, I'm not going to judge you for choosing to show your legs. We're beyond the Victorian era where even table legs couldn't be shown.

I think a tailored, fitted top and skirt, even if the skirt was that short, would have been both more flattering to her and looked less like, as MM put it, cosplay. It still would have been "sexier", but at least not in a vaguely pervy way. Then again I'm overly sensitive about the "loli" thing.

[MineralMan]

76. First time I've seen a reference to "loli"

I looked it up. It works with the cosplay thing. My guess is that Ivanka, who would be speaking at a Japanese women's conference of some sort, googled something like Japanese women's business styles and went from there to attempt to look like someone who would fit that mold.

Trouble is, she chose the look of someone in a different sort of work than those in her audience. I suspect that the short skirt thing is more typical of people in a business environment who are quite a bit younger than Ivanka and her audience.

The costume she chose was a little out of sync.

[moriah]

85. Oh, crap. I thought you were referencing exactly that aspect by "cosplay".

I'm really embarrassed that I have to admit even knowing these things exist. It's a long story and I don't come out looking good at the end.

Sadly, being in tech means you clean a lot of porn off of computers, and so on an online dating profile that allowed a "hard limit" fill in, I'd put in "Anything to do with kids, family, or animals -- no furries, lolicons, age-players, or people who want me to call them Daddy need apply".

Met a guy who seemed nice. Was on the rebound and it seemed like we were compatible. Then, after I had feels, he revealed he was into drawn "cheese pizza". I guess because I knew what it was, he figured he could convince me it wasn't a big deal. But even if I don't have kids and it IS different from other forms of "erotica" depicting kids because its production doesn't require a child to be abused, I had said it was a hard limit because of other reasons than "no real children were harmed in the making of this disgusting shit".

I did try to understand.

And I realized he was only attracted to me because I am petite and he could fantasize about me being a child. Healthier outlets than hurting children, but ... I have friends with kids.

I used another issue as my "official" reason for dumping him.

But he'd get his rocks off hard seeing a woman dressed like that.

[RobinA]

114. She Also Chose

a look of people who tend to be much shorter than she is. I'm guess that if one has to wear this style, it would be better to be short.

[MaryMagdaline]

62. 5'10 here

The dirty little secret is that it is much easier to find clothes that fit my size, even though only a small percentage of women are my height. My friends who are under 5'4 have to buy and cut, buy and cut. I have benefitted all my life from the easy availability of off the rack clothes for tall women. There is a definite bias in the fashion world towards tall women. There were not even petite sections in stores until the 1980's I think.

As for ivanka, she should have her clothes tailored! There are bad seams, bunching, lines not straight. She has the money not to have to buy cheap off the rack.

[moriah]

94. I hadn't thought about that, actually.

Though it makes sense given the height required of most runway models.

I admit I have more experience altering patterns and making my own clothing than trying to alter OTR stuff. From a pattern, you're starting at a much more average back-waist length and usually a B cup for the bustline. You go up or down from a much more average figure.

[RobinA]

116. Wait...

how do you find pants that are long enough? I'm 5'7" and jeans buying is a freaking nightmare because the longest inseam is 31" and I need a 32. Granted, I have a thing about too-short pants, but you've got 4" on me!

[MaryMagdaline]

118. Not a problem

I agree pants can be the hardest but I pretty much know how Tahari, Jones of NY, everyday suits will fit ... skirts and pants. Jeans, have to try on. BUT any store I go to, I can walk out with outfits that fit. Never had to alter in my life. Never even had to alter wedding dress.

[SMC22307]

106. Exactly. The proportion is way off, the color looks like a dress...

a little girl would wear to church on Easter Sunday, the uneven hems are goofy and oof! those buttons are gaudy. Even the black shoes are boring.

[DK504]

11. OMG.

An international event the representative of the US, no matter how inappropriate the choice of representative may be, must respect the situation they find themselves in and dress as a professional. That is simply one of the most inappropriate outfits I have ever seen.

I don't know the event, but it doesn't matter, the perception of America is we are amateurs, unqualified and unprepared for appearing on sn international political stage. This is humiliating for us.

[lunatica]

14. It looks like an outfit for a school girl, maybe 10 to 12 years old

It would look OK on a girl. but with either knee hi socks or flat pretty shoes, in the same color even.

[Wounded Bear]

15. Now available for $29.95 online...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I don't care about the exteriors. All the Trumps have rotten interiors.

[tonedevil]

86. Shouldn't that be the point?

Do we really need to go on about her clothes?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. I couldn't care less what she looks like. Her looks don't affect me.

Her family's policies do.

[tonedevil]

89. This distraction...

makes me cry. We shouldn't do petty.

[bcool]

18. Where is her wedding ring? n/t

[TeeYiYi]

67. Good question. nt

TYY

[WillowTree]

129. Not all Jews wear wedding rings.

And those that do sometimes wear them on their right hands. I did a quick web search and I didn't see any pictures of Ivanka wearing anything that looked like a wedding band on her left hand.

[Kirk Lover]

20. It's unprofessional. Period.

[AmandaRuth]

21. even for a mini, thats one short skirt

but then again, judging by the first lady, we should be happy she has clothes on

[FarCenter]

28. The Japanese like that sort of thing.

[lunamagica]

41. What's with her feet?

[VermontKevin]

111. She has a bound foot. Very fetish:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding

[lunamagica]

123. YIKES!

[JHB]

124. It's not foot-biding, it's loose socks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_socks

It was a schoolgirl fashion thing in the late 90s, and lingers in some quarters. The drawing in the post above is just poor quality overall, so unless you know what it's supposed to be, it's kinda hard to tell.

[lunamagica]

125. Oh, OK. Much better

[Achilleaze]

32. IOKIYAR

The usual standards republicans apply do not apply to republicans.

[spinbaby]

38. Unflattering

Even with a longer skirt, it would be a boxy suit in a color that really doesn’t suit her.

While we’re discussing matters of fashion, have you noticed how there’s a distinct Republican look? For women, the look involves tons of makeup and hairspray; clothes that “match” in unnatural colors and polyester fabric, and a frozen smile. Ivanka hasn’t quite mastered the look.

[Sancho]

40. Hmmm....from guy with no particular knowledge of fashion...

...with that hair-do she could fit in a 60s high school (and I was in HS in the 60s!)

[lunamagica]

42. At least they wore leggins

[MineralMan]

43. Yes. Cosplay. She's dressed as a 60s high school girl.

That's her costume. Cosplay is very popular in Japan, I hear.

[Achilleaze]

44. To which I say, abandon ye FAILED republican fashion values

and embrace the 21st Century.

[csziggy]

93. It reminds me of an outift a friend made in Home Ec in the 1960s

A knock off of a Chanel suit but badly cut with a very short skirt - too short for school even in 1968.

I believe this pattern is the one my friend used:

http://patterngate.com/shop/60s-fabulous-vintage-vogue-4206-suit-and-blouse-pattern-size-16-bust-36/

But she did not tailor the jacket for the proper fit so it was very boxy on her. In an effort to be stylish, sh made the skirt far too short.

The overall effect was the same as the outfit Ivanka wore.

[JI7]

45. Why is she there ?

[MineralMan]

47. I have no freaking idea, really.

I think she was giving a speech at some Women's Conference, but very few people showed up to hear her. I don't think she actually does anything. She just is.

[GoCubsGo]

48. Yes, that is the question people should actually be asking.

Not anything regarding her fashion sense--or lack thereof.

[tonedevil]

88. Thank you. /nt

[cwydro]

132. I know.

This crap about how a woman dresses would not fly if the subject happened to be a Dem.

[GoCubsGo]

46. It's fine. She isn't showing her bare arms. n/t

[tonedevil]

90. I see what you did there. /nt

[tonedevil]

49. If she dressed more...

modestly we would all be cool with what she and her father are doing?

[MineralMan]

50. I think not.

[tonedevil]

63. Then why the fashion...

critique? Seems more suited to Peiple Magazine than serious political discussion.

[MineralMan]

66. I don't think I actually made any comment one way or the other

on that photo. I presented it for discussion. It's a news story, by the way, and it's being discussed elsewhere, too.

I don't really care what Ivanka wears, to tell you the truth. I'm not even sure what she's doing in the first place with her traveling on behalf of her father. Whatever it is, I don't think it's working out all that well.

Angela Merkel gave her a genuine side-eye look at one event, as if to say, "What on Earth are you even doing here, dear?" That's sort of how I feel about it, too.

I'm not qualified to give any fashion critiques.

[tonedevil]

73. You made her dress...

the topic of conversation it seems petty.

[MineralMan]

74. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Really.

[tonedevil]

75. So how a woman dresses...

is solid discussion material for political discourse? Yes that seems petty to me.

[MineralMan]

77. OK. Thanks for letting me know how it seems to you.

[tonedevil]

80. Thanks for showing...

what you are.

[MineralMan]

81. You're welcome.

I pretty much always post as myself, actually. I find that to be far easier than pretending to be someone different.

And what I am is constantly curious. So, I ask questions.

[cwydro]

133. Hey, some folks are just obsessed with how women dress.

[RobinA]

117. It Is Petty

If we don't take a detour into petty now and then we'll all go mad.

[Vinca]

51. It looks like a 1960's flight attendant outfit.

[MineralMan]

53. I think you have it. Exactly.

[Vinca]

84. That's amazing. All Ivanka is missing is the hat.

[struggle4progress]

54. "I have designed handbags, shoes, and accessories -- and I used to sell inflammable scarves!

That's why the President sends me around the world to meet with important leaders! Here I am representing somebody or something in Japan!"

[Madam45for2923]

55. In Japan & S.Korea miniskirts are common. I do find it too much 4 a meeting w Japan's leader

[MaryMagdaline]

56. Nothing bad

Sorry, ivanka is very tall. No matter how high above the knee, the skirt is still well below the crotch. She just has longer legs; more is shown but more is covered up. Nothing wrong with this skirt. Again, not well made and line needs to be straight but that's from her sweet shop kids. Poor little ones.

[pnwmom]

60. No. Her height doesn't excuse that and I'm saying that as a tall woman.

She has the money she needs to dress well, and she has plenty of outfits in her closet that come to her knees and would have been more appropriate.

Like the green outfit here (scroll down past Kate):

http://footwearnews.com/2017/fashion/celebrity-style/kate-middleton-green-hobbs-suit-gianvito-rossi-pumps-ivanka-trump-oscar-de-la-renta-301941/

Or lots of the outfits here:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/235453886751478966/

[MaryMagdaline]

69. Oscar de la Renta

Very nice. Even that had too much fabric. She needs to try for simplicity and clean lines. But ... I don't think ivanka embarrassed us or self with the dress. I am embarrassed only that she is attending as a quasi US rep and probably hawking her cheap sweat shop jobs.

[tonedevil]

91. Thank you...

the focus on her dress is disconcerting. Aren't we supposed to be serious not trying to remake the movie Mean Girls.

[MineralMan]

70. I get the sense that Ivanka isn't all that self-assured, really.

I think she has issues with her self-image at times. She strikes me as an odd sort of duck, often out of familiar water. She often seems a little befuddled as to what role she is playing, too.

I suspect that she chose that outfit, based on a quick survey of current Japanese fashion for young women. That it didn't work for her seems to have been missed as she check herself out in the mirror. Odd, in a way, really.

[MaryMagdaline]

79. Insightful

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I think you are right.

[treestar]

57. that just does not look good on her

And I don't know if it would look good on anyone else either. Weirdly cut top.

[MineralMan]

58. Looks like one of Hillary's pants suits, but with

a skirt that is probably a bit too short.

A skirt suit? Is that a thing? I don't follow women's fashion at all.

[treestar]

61. I think it is, or just known as a suit

What I wore to the office in the 80s, a business suit with matching skirt and top - before the pantsuits were a thing. Now my suits are all pantsuits, also due to age!

[MineralMan]

64. I did a search for "skirt suit" on Google.

It appears that it is a thing, and Google Shopping showed me a number of them in a blush or pink color. Like I said, I don't follow women's fashion, and women's business attire even less.

It always seems to me that making some sort of appearance in a political or business setting really demands a business-like appearance. I can see the top Ivanka was wearing fitting that model, but not the skirt length. Besides, her knees are a bit knobby, and knock-kneed. I wouldn't wear that outfit, if I were a woman making a speech at a conference. Nope.

I'm a guy who goes to client meetings with my web designer associate in jeans and a corduroy blazer. I can dress in more corporate style if necessary, but that never seems needed for my creative role in what we do. My full beard, too, doesn't really go that well with more formal business attire.

If I think I should be in a suit and tie, I head to the barber before the occasion and get one of my two suits out of their garment bag in the closet and can look pretty distinguished, if needed. I wear that sort of thing once or twice a year, at most.

Women have much more difficult choices, it seems to me. I don't envy them in that.

[crazycatlady]

109. Skirt suits are a thing

I'm a woman who could be Ivanka's peer (I have a year on her). I actually like the outfit and would wear it myself, but that is also my sense of style. However, for a formal occasion, I would not wear it. I'd say meeting with foreign leaders is a formal occasion.


(If you want to do fashion research on skirt suits-- look at how the RNC dressed Sarah Palin-- I've studied that extensively as she was my Halloween costume).

In terms of dresses and skirts being too short-- schools and businesses have a 'fingertip test' where if the skirt is lower than the bottom of your fingertip, it is appropriate. From the picture, it seems that it passes the fingertip test.

[Iggo]

65. Absolutely, it's cosplay.

[MineralMan]

68. Thanks. That's what I was thinking.

I think she checked out current fashion trends for young women in Japan and then picked out that combo. "I'll play a young Japanese woman today, I think." Ivanka is a bit of an odd duck, I think. I'd love to get into her head a little, but not much chance of that every happening.

[democratisphere]

78. How come Abe is having a photo-op with the Prime Minister of the West Wing?

Are those knock knees or is it just my imagination?

[Lifelong Protester]

82. Is she going for a schoolgirl look?

[MineralMan]

83. I don't know. I really don't.

[JHB]

128. The OLs (office ladies) are not amused...

[yortsed snacilbuper]

92. Whens the polls go down, the skirts go up.

[3catwoman3]

95. One proportion guideline I gleaned...

...from years of reading many books on fashion and style was summed up as "long over short/short over long."

IOW, a short skirt looks best with a longer jacket that falls below the hip, and a long skirt is complemented by a short jacket that ends in the waistline area. It works well for me.

My standard winter "uniform" at the pediatric office, where the docs and I wear street clothes, is a knee length black skirt, black tights, and black riding-style boots, topped off by colorful sweaters or jackets and interesting necklaces that are short enough not to get tangled in my stethoscope.

I am probably one of the few women in the world who still likes hosiery. I have annoying spider veins that I don't like looking at, and I don't want to spoil the look of a cute shorter skirt with with those damn purple things showing. Pantyhose ot tights provide camouflage until I can afford to get them lasered.

[RobinA]

119. I Like Hosiery

I'm 60 and my legs aren't bad for my age, but hosiery is a must for anything but summer casual. And it's not really my age, dressed up with no hose just looks ridiculous to me no matter what your legs look like.

[3catwoman3]

122. Good to know I am not alone.

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A really nice ensemble with bare legs just feels unfinished to me. Plus, I don't like the feel of my bare foot inside a dress shoe.

And, on the matter of shoes, IMO, a black shoe with a pastel outfit looks very harsh. A neutral is much more flattering. I especially dislike ankle booties with bare legs and short skirts. A very chopped up look that makes even slender legs look stumpy.

[murielm99]

134. I agree...

I have a couple of years on you, and my legs are pretty good. But I have never liked bare legs and open toed shoes for formal occasions. This was certainly a formal occasion.

She needed something more form fitting for this occasion, something more tailored.

I think it is fair to criticize her on her fashion sense, because she has chosen fashion as her "career."

I like to refer to her as a shoe salesman. There is nothing wrong with being a shoe salesman, but to call her anything else elevates her beyond what she has earned. She is certainly not a trend setter or an example of good taste, like Jackie Kennedy or Michelle Obama.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

98. It's an illusion, she is freakishly tall

There are several inches of skirt under the top.

It is still more appropriate than most of what I see at work.

[Mike Nelson]

101. Yikes!

...that can't be real.

[Laffy Kat]

103. That's not appropriate or remotely attractive.

It's almost like she went out of her way to dress inappropriately for the meeting.

[Kleveland]

104. Absolutely mind numbing amount of verbosity...

All over a crappy looking outfit, on a crappy human being, who happens to be the daughter of a crappy president.

I do agree however, with the observation...

"What of value to humanity is she doing there" ?

[MountCleaners]

105. Errr...inappropriate

That is way too much thigh for a serious occasion.

[trueblue2007]

107. her skirt isn't even. It is all dippy. i LEARNED HOW TO HEM A SKIRT CORRECTLY !!!!

Whoever designed and made that garment did a lousy job. She better take it back to Walmart !!!!


UGLY LADY !!

[AmandaRuth]

115. it also looks like she doesn't have stockings on

this is so inappropriate, and just an embarrassment for the USA. i know i am going to get feedback that anything goes, but is there limits on dress for official positions?

[BainsBane]

120. She looks fine

Wardrobe is not Ivanaka’s problem; nor is it ours.

[tonedevil]

127. Thank you. /nt

[moriah]

136. As I said, her body, her choice.

I personally wouldn't be caught dead in that thing, but it has nothing to do with the length of the skirt even if I had Ivanka legs. The color doesn't work for me.

It also squicks me for personal reasons -- I went into more detail upthread (76) about why.

But if a woman thinks she looks good in an outfit and wants to wear it, more power to her. I certainly wouldn't accept it even as a donation unless I could sell it to come up with my deductible after the hit-and-run a month ago today.

[secondwind]

126. Bad outfit. She shouldve worn a more conservative dress and lower heels 👠.

[moriah]

137. I just wish the outfit had been more flattering.

There are plenty of tailored jackets and pencil minis that would show as much flesh but at least not make it look like she's assuming every Japanese man gets off on women dressed like lolis.

[LeftyMom]

130. That's an awful suit.

Tight in the belly, too shiny, weirdly baggy leg, either the jacket or tie or both are askew.

Nobody ever seems to start threads about men who dress badly.

[murielm99]

131. She looks like a damn fool. n/t

[SunSeeker]

135. I feel sorry for Abe, having to make small talk with that idiot.

Why is she in Japan? And how much is it costing us for her boondoggle?

[greyl]

138. So, that's where your cleaver of rationality defines this important issue?

You could have thought of something better to publish.

[jpak]

139. Mary Quant rolls in the grave

yup

[Calista241]

140. The skirt passes the fingertip test.

I’m still not sure when DU became a bunch of puritans with regard to the dress code.

The outfit isn’t particularly flattering IMO, but its nothing to get upset over.

[cwydro]

141. I know.

As I said downthread, I find the obsession with how women dress to be puzzling, even disturbing.