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What snowybirdie Nov 2017 #1
The Democrats paid to get dirt on Trump, we know that, right? The Republicans doc03 Nov 2017 #2
They paid a British spy for that... Wounded Bear Nov 2017 #3
Did the Trump campaign pay anyone? doc03 Nov 2017 #5
You were just told she didnt pay the Russians as you insinuate. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #16
Why should they pay for what was given to them for FREE? Who was paying the "volunteers"? Hekate Nov 2017 #21
I repeat, and stop listening snowybirdie Nov 2017 #6
Are you for real? The Dems NEVER worked with or paid any Russian entity. Hekate Nov 2017 #12
El toro poo poo! mfcorey1 Nov 2017 #4
One actually occured. The other is a Republican fever dream and red herring. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2017 #7
What are you writing about? PJMcK Nov 2017 #8
Both sound the same? Mrs. Overall Nov 2017 #9
When did Clinton collude with the Russians? NCTraveler Nov 2017 #10
The Trump leg humpers are hanging this scam on one or two things... Thomas Hurt Nov 2017 #11
Didn't Fusion GPS use Steele as a middle man to get dirt on Trump from Russians? doc03 Nov 2017 #14
which is legal and common as long as the Clinton campaign didn't reach out to the uponit7771 Nov 2017 #17
Ok that is the way I understand it. The questions I asked are the ones a Republican doc03 Nov 2017 #19
Oh, okay. You're just asking for a friend. Hekate Nov 2017 #23
No. The dossier was about Trumps collusion with Russia AJT Nov 2017 #22
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2017 #24
Neither Clinton nor dems met with Russians to talk about dirt on Trump. nocalflea Nov 2017 #13
Please edit your title to begin with Neither VOX Nov 2017 #18
Thnx. nocalflea Nov 2017 #20
Sure thing. VOX Nov 2017 #25
Please tell us youre kidding. VOX Nov 2017 #15

doc03

(35,148 posts)
2. The Democrats paid to get dirt on Trump, we know that, right? The Republicans
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:48 PM
Nov 2017

at least attempted to get dirt on Clinton from the Russians.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. You were just told she didnt pay the Russians as you insinuate.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 06:03 PM
Nov 2017

And that is your next question?

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
21. Why should they pay for what was given to them for FREE? Who was paying the "volunteers"?
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 06:29 PM
Nov 2017

Who had been paid in the past by the Russians, for one thing and another? Who owed the Russians for favors?

Not the Clintons. Not the DNC. Not the Clinton campaign.

The Russians promised "dirt" on Hillary, and what did they deliver? To this day, a gigantic nothingburger of weaponized stolen emails.

What do the Russians have on Trump and associates? According to Steele, enough Kompromat to sink a battleship. So far, nothing provided by Steele has been disproven, and a great deal of it has been solidly proven.

snowybirdie

(5,191 posts)
6. I repeat, and stop listening
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:54 PM
Nov 2017

to pundits. The dnc paid for OPPO research ($168000, I believe). Paid to a British firm. They took over the research done by a Republican online newspaper. ALL campaigns pay for OPPO research. ALL candidates try and dig up dirt on the others. The research found some Russian connections to Trump. Simple to understand unless you're a fauxbot.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
12. Are you for real? The Dems NEVER worked with or paid any Russian entity.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:59 PM
Nov 2017

Christopher Steele, a BRITISH citizen and retired BRITISH secret agent, was hired by a REPUBLICAN candidate to do OPPO RESEARCH on Donald Trump. He found plenty.

The REPUBLICAN who hired him dropped out of the race. At some point Steele, very concerned with what he had uncovered, gave or offered his files to the FBI, which freaking ignored it.

The campaign progressed. Apparently Steele, a BRITISH citizen, offered his information to the Clinton campaign and/or DNC. They gave him under $200,000 for it -- not $12 million.

THIS WAS OPPO RESEARCH. NOBODY ON OUR SIDE COLLUDED WITH THE FUCKING RUSSIANS.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
7. One actually occured. The other is a Republican fever dream and red herring.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:55 PM
Nov 2017

I'll let you guess which is which.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. When did Clinton collude with the Russians?
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:56 PM
Nov 2017

You aren’t giving much here but you sure are throwing bombs.

It’s hard to make sense of what you are saying.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
11. The Trump leg humpers are hanging this scam on one or two things...
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 05:56 PM
Nov 2017

she colluded and took money from Russia in the Uranium One deal that the right is lying about

or two,

she colluded with Russia because her attorney or the DNC or someone paid for the Steele Dossier.

Problem is neither GPS Fusion or Steele are Russian nationals or representatives of the Russian gov't.

No one is alleging that the Clinton campaign or the DNC reached out to Russians or Russian gov't to gather dirt on Trump. No one is saying she paid anyone in the Russian gov't for info or traded anything of value with foreign gov'ts to get dirt on Donnie.

The RW is just denying their collusion and trying to conflate the dossier with their own acts.

I do not even know where Steele got his info.

This, unlike Papadopolous who actively sought out Russians and russian gov't officials for meetings and dirt.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
17. which is legal and common as long as the Clinton campaign didn't reach out to the
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 06:03 PM
Nov 2017

... Russians all is good.

doc03

(35,148 posts)
19. Ok that is the way I understand it. The questions I asked are the ones a Republican
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 06:10 PM
Nov 2017

will ask if you say Trump colluded with the Russians. So it is perfectly legal as long as they didn't go directly to
the Russians.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
22. No. The dossier was about Trumps collusion with Russia
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 06:31 PM
Nov 2017

to interfere with the election for the benefit of Trump. We are talking people who are associated with the Russian government. It isn't the fact that the research exists, it's that the research shows that the trump champaign was working with the Russians to help him get elected. Looking into your opponents past is common asking a foreign government to help you illegally win an election and using emails they hacked is the issue.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
13. Neither Clinton nor dems met with Russians to talk about dirt on Trump.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 06:00 PM
Nov 2017

Trump's people did meet with Russians to get dirt on Clinton

This nonsense about Clinton is disinformation and deflection. Please don't spread this crap further.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
18. Please edit your title to begin with Neither
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 06:05 PM
Nov 2017

Otherwise, it kinda sounds like she did, when she didn’t.

Thanks and cheers!

VOX

(22,976 posts)
15. Please tell us youre kidding.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 06:03 PM
Nov 2017

They only “sound the same” when explained by a Trump-humping talking head like Newt Gingrich.

Here, Dana Milbank’s 10/30/17 column in the WaPo gets into it with humor:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/seems-like-everyones-colluding-with-russia-now/2017/10/30/25d3e122-bdb6-11e7-8444-a0d4f04b89eb_story.html

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