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babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:24 PM Oct 2017

Preview of Coming Indictments

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2017/10/papadopoulos_is_likely_a_preview_of_coming_indictments.html

Oct. 30 2017 3:24 PM
Preview of Coming Indictments
The charges against George Papadopoulos suggest bigger names are on the way.
By Fred Kaplan


The headline news Monday morning was the indictment of President Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, on 12 counts of tax fraud, money laundering, and conspiracy. But the bigger story may ultimately lie in the unsealing of charges against a lesser-known figure, a foreign policy adviser on the Trump campaign named George Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos indictment provides more direct evidence of collusion with the Russian government—and suggests that more indictments of bigger names are on their way.

Papadopoulos was indicted for making false statements to the FBI about meetings that he’d had with Russians. Specifically, he claimed that the meetings occurred before he started working for Trump’s campaign when, in fact, they occurred afterward. He said that the Russian in question was “a nothing” when, in fact, he had (and Papadopoulos understood that he had) “substantial connections to Russian government officials.” He also neglected to tell the FBI that he’d had further contacts with officials from the Russian foreign ministry, who wanted to help, and set up a meeting with, Trump—a message that he conveyed in a meeting with senior campaign officials.

The help these officials were offering, the indictment states, was “dirt” on Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, including “thousands of emails.”

If all this doesn’t make Trump higher-ups nervous, the indictment’s final paragraph might do the trick: “On July 27, 2017,” it states, “defendant PAPADOPOULOS was arrested upon his arrival at Dulles International Airport. Following his arrest, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met with the Government on numerous occasions to provide information and answer questions.”

The indictment, which also contains a guilty plea signed by the defendant, is dated Oct. 5. In other words, Papadopoulos has been talking with Robert Mueller’s team for three months—and it can be surmised he’s been turned into a state’s witness, as part of a plea deal, for at least the past three weeks.


We don’t yet know the extent of what Mueller has learned about the Trump campaign’s ties with Russia, or where the probe is leading, or how high up it goes. But the revelations of the past year, from news stories and intelligence reports, have suggested that the two main threads involve laundering money and defaming Hillary Clinton for the purpose of boosting Donald Trump’s bid for the presidency. Mueller’s first two indictments provide a taste of both—and a scent of the main courses to come.
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Preview of Coming Indictments (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2017 OP
Kick and recommend for visibility bronxiteforever Oct 2017 #1
Another K&R NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #2
Mueller's timing of the two indictments this AM BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #3
"laundering money and defaming Hillary Clinton for the purpose of boosting Donald Trumps bid .." Wwcd Oct 2017 #4
Welcome to DU! volstork Oct 2017 #15
We have the power to contain Putin, but we also have great Allies/Intel after the same goal. Wwcd Oct 2017 #21
Exactly. volstork Oct 2017 #22
I raise you a couple Flynns MFM008 Oct 2017 #5
Oh Yes malaise Oct 2017 #6
Delicious! K&R!! MontanaMama Oct 2017 #7
Why do you think Manafort turned himself in? Volaris Oct 2017 #14
K&R... spanone Oct 2017 #8
My question is Linda Ed Oct 2017 #9
All good questions PJMcK Oct 2017 #16
So Poppy Boy tried to Stonewall Wellstone ruled Oct 2017 #10
K&R Solly Mack Oct 2017 #11
Wasn't July 27, 2016 the day Trump invited Russian hacking of HRC's emails in a presser? bucolic_frolic Oct 2017 #12
2017 GeoWilliam750 Oct 2017 #13
The Chinese Characters Above Mean "Truth"! panfluteman Oct 2017 #20
K&R orangecrush Oct 2017 #17
K&R for a preview of coming attractions meow2u3 Oct 2017 #18
K&R! gademocrat7 Oct 2017 #19
K&R secondwind Oct 2017 #23

BigmanPigman

(51,582 posts)
3. Mueller's timing of the two indictments this AM
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:35 PM
Oct 2017

was expected but the news release of the Papa's confession 90 min later was perfectly planned.

Now people are thinking back and realize that Mueller knew of the Russian meeting and that Jr's "nothing burger"response and his daddy's cover up back then was all BS in JULY (4 months of Papa's emails being read with a Mueller microscope).

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
4. "laundering money and defaming Hillary Clinton for the purpose of boosting Donald Trumps bid .."
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:37 PM
Oct 2017

Her name & reputation wil be vindicated. And Putin will one day fall from power by his own people.

Thanks Hillary for opening the door to the oppressed people of Russia to also unite against a global tyrant.

Good vs evil, & good will prevail.
One day, Putin will go as Trump goes.

volstork

(5,399 posts)
15. Welcome to DU!
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 06:36 PM
Oct 2017

I hope you are correct on all counts here!

It would be such sweet justice if this brings putin down as well. We can only hope...

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
21. We have the power to contain Putin, but we also have great Allies/Intel after the same goal.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:10 PM
Oct 2017

With what we now know of Putin's bold step into the demise of western US democracy, as well as Brexit, it only serves to reinforce those Allied nations.
Putin will be boxed in a corner.

MontanaMama

(23,299 posts)
7. Delicious! K&R!!
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:52 PM
Oct 2017

Hope Papadopoulos has some protection. He won't be well liked with the money laundering crowd after today when it is apparent he's been talking his head off for months.

Linda Ed

(493 posts)
9. My question is
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 05:02 PM
Oct 2017

was he paid? Or was he just a volunteer? How did he rank sitting on the national security team even if it was for only one time? Sanders said drumpf didn't even know the guy which he always says anyway so that is nothing new but the story goes, he was wearing a wire for the feds after he was caught lying and plead guilty. So today, guess who is having lunch with drumpf? Sessions ...who was also sitting at that table who had to of known this guy right?

PJMcK

(22,023 posts)
16. All good questions
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 06:52 PM
Oct 2017

What are your thoughts, Linda Ed?

Papadopolous was obviously on the inside, at least for some time. He must have been highly exposed to prosecution without any counter-leverage with Mueller's team. It was probably fairly easy to get him to flip on Trump's campaign.

I loved the way Mr. Mueller waited to announce the Papadopolous indictment! It allowed all of the right-wingers to shoot off their mouths before the Special Council dropped the hammer. This indictment shows that there were connections between the Russians and Trump's campaign. It's a bright warning shot.

Welcome to DU and keep posting!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. So Poppy Boy tried to Stonewall
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 05:28 PM
Oct 2017

Mr.Mueller. Notice lying to the FBI will put him in the slammer big time. Waiting for NY State to put the hammer on Poppy Boy and Manafort big time.

bucolic_frolic

(43,115 posts)
12. Wasn't July 27, 2016 the day Trump invited Russian hacking of HRC's emails in a presser?
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 05:35 PM
Oct 2017

It was in the morning, as I recall.

'Russia, if you're listening ....'

And how did this arrest go unnoticed by the Trump campaign? Or did it?

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
20. The Chinese Characters Above Mean "Truth"!
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 07:46 PM
Oct 2017

The first character "Shen" ('Shin' in Japanese) means "authentic". The second character, "Shih" ('Jitsu' in Japanese) means "full" or "with kernel or substance". Two characters that Trump has never known.

I know this stuff thanks to my childhood and upbringing in Japan, and my dad, who was a career foreign service officer and an expert in far eastern affairs, language and culture - the very kind of person that Rex Tillerson fired in droves when he hollowed out the State Department to suit Putin's ends of weakening US diplomacy and soft power around the world, thus making the global geopolitical situation a lot easier for him to exploit. Come to think of it - our country has, or had, fewer people working for it who were more useful and valuable to the nation than these career foreign service officers, who are all of fond memory now.

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