I must ask, do you REALLY believe this GOP Congress will impeach Donald?

[Saboburns]

I have seen zero evidence they would. As a matter of fact everything I have seen says they absolutely will not.

Ever.

For any reason.

[femmocrat]

1. No.

We have to work hard and take back Congress next year! It is not impossible.

[maryellen99]

2. They will once they get their tax cuts nt

[bluestarone]

10. and

another S court judge appointed

[LonePirate]

31. That's an interesting theory.

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The tax cuts are being driven by the donor class and 45 has zero control or sway with them. However, he does control his army of deplorables and their support seems to be what is publicly driving the tax cut rhetoric nowadays.

Pence would definitely sign the tax cuts into law but he has no influence with the deplorables. Some, if not many of them, would suddenly oppose the tax cuts if 45 didn't support them or wasn't president.

I honestly don't think this Congress will ever hold 45 accountable despite the mountains of scandals and illegal/immoral behavior by him and his administration. Yet if the tax cuts pass or fail, the dynamics will change as it will be 2018 and an election year.

[vlyons]

38. This Repiblican congressional majority is crooked to the core

Deeply degenerate and corrupt. Awash in dirty bribe money. We have to take back gthe House in 2018. So even if we can't get the Senate, we can block their stupid, hateful bills. A Dem controlled House could also appoint an independent commission to go after all the asshole corrupt cabinet members. Wouldn't that be lovely?

[bitterross]

39. That's a pretty decent theory.

Some, like Graham and McConnell has as much admitted the only reason they deal with Trump is to get their tax cuts.

So when those are done (which I hope doesn't happen but might be another Pence tie-breaker) Trump may be toast.

[mercuryblues]

64. that doesn't make a bit of difference

if trump is impeached we will get pence, He will push for tax cuts, defund ACA, and anything else on the republican wish list. They won't impeach trump because he keeps the base riled up and voting. When they start losing elections because of his erratic behavior, then and only then will he be impeached.

GOTV

[bearsfootball516]

3. If things get bad enough that he starts becoming a detriment to their reelection hopes, yes

But that means his approval rating dropping into the mid 20's or lower. Probably would take the economy crashing or throwing us into a war.

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. I thgink even the high 20's might do it. After tax cuts of course

It's kind of like Sale Prices that almost always have to end in the number nine. As long as Trump keeps the first digit at a "3" Republicans will still fear the wrath of his core base. If he falls through that floor into the twenties I think some panic will start setting in.

[titaniumsalute]

4. Yes I think they would...

Only if they can quickly see that it might cost them the House and Senate in 2018.

If they coordinated with each other and created a message that Trump is nuts and Mike Pence will be a shining bright light to come to the rescue they would probably move forward. His approvals keep dropping and he's starting to lose the white lower educated base. That is all he really still has going for him.

The only thing the right in the House and Senate are motivated to do is to NOT lose power.

[Mediumsizedhand]

5. No. It would have to be so huge, like shooting someone in the middle of 5th Ave.

[Pope George Ringo II]

28. I'd still have my doubts if he shot Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor.

My expectations for them putting country and decency ahead of party are rather muted.

[underthematrix]

6. Trump doesn't have to be impeached to be removed.

[Mike Nelson]

7. Presently...

...no. With the current Congress, Trump would not be convicted. Hope it changes...

[Aristus]

8. Never. He's their wet dream of a President.

It used to be Ronald Reagan. But despite the monstrous things Reagan did with a smile, he was too genial, too sunny, too optimistic for them. He appealed to some (evidently deluded) Democrats, and that is anathema to today's Tea Party Republicans.

Then it was George W. Bush. He was dumb enough, and certainly pliable enough, to accomplish all of the squalid things that make up the GOP agenda. But the Democratic flip of Congress in 2006 undid their hopes for wrenching the country apart.

Now all their hopes lie in a vile, vicious, brain-dead con-man and reality TV host boasting a string of failed marriages and a brood of self-absorbed, entitled, oxygen-stealing meat-puppets being groomed to take over the asylum.

I'm surprised the repukes aren't dancing in the streets...

[flamingdem]

11. +1

too true

[Old Vet]

13. Good definition of this mother-fucker called president///////////

[dalton99a]

9. Ain't gonna happen

[treestar]

14. possible, because Pence would do their bidding

better. I think they could pass bills with him in the office.

[Orrex]

15. I have faith that they will obey the will of their constituents

Specifically, the Koch brothers and the NRA.

[Saboburns]

42. Yes. Exactly

which is why we are where we are with no end in sight.

[dpd3672]

16. I'm not convinced anything currently will result in an impeachment...

but if it does, Trump isn't terribly popular within the GOP. If it does make it that far, better than even odds it'll result in a conviction.

JMHO.

[dhol82]

17. Nope

They have too much to lose without him.
Only way to get impeachment on the table is for an overwhelming democratic victory next year.

[bluestarone]

18. if Mueller does what what i pray for (i know i know won't happen)

then there won't be enough repubs to stop the impeachment lol

[GeorgeGist]

19. Nope.

He could shoot Hillary Clinton on 5th Avenue and they'd cheer him on.

[rock]

20. I guess we'll just have to incarcerate trump

While still in office. "Everyone is equal under the Law!"

[Dave Starsky]

21. Never in 4.5 billion years.

He is simply in that office for as long as he wants to be there--eight years or even 16 years--and that's all there is to it.

Don't be depressed. That actually gives us all the means to get him out as soon as possible. We simply have to make him hate it enough that he wants to leave.

[roamer65]

22. No. Not a chance.

[Break time]

23. For some reason

They seemed to be afraid of Pence as pres.

[lastlib]

24. I would respectfully disagree....

If Pence became president, the GOPee would get every dream they desire in their little reptilian brains, sans all the tRumpf drama. I think the GOPee establishment would wet themselves with joy to have him in the White House.

[Break time]

35. Really??

With all of the real and actual things t has done and not get impeached? They want someone who is actually slightly capable of acting like a president?.... Makes no sense they can get rid of t in a flash. Unless of course he has something like the hoover files.

[mercuryblues]

67. trump keeps the base riled up

pence is as exciting as a Lego on the floor. He can't pull in the donors like trump can. If Donnie gets impeached, we get pence and he most likely would not get reelected in 2020. Last week pence headlined a fundraiser, they had to drop the ticket price and he still could not fill the venue. On the other hand Donnie keeps supplying the red meat, keeping the base riled up.

This is all about money and votes. If trump can't accomplish those 2 things they would impeach him in a heartbeat.

[H2O Man]

25. Hence the need

for the grass roots to prepare for the mid-term elections.

[Not Ruth]

26. They do not like Trump

[fallout87]

27. Nope.

Not a chance in hell they will impeach him. No matter what. They won't want to lose his base.

[AgadorSparticus]

29. If numbers show their jobs are at risk, they will impeach.

Look at ACA. People got fierce about it and they pulled back. When their jobs are at stake, they do the right thing.

[samnsara]

30. i dont get it.. they would get ALL their things passed with pence...

..WHY are the holding on to trump?? His 'base' is between 32-38%..are they spineless or do they actually believe all the crap trump stands for?

[MFM008]

32. Everything hinges

On 2018 then doesn't it?

[pnwmom]

33. Depends on the splash back and whether they think it will affect their re-election chances.

We need to go into overdrive to convince them, or make them pay.

[awesomerwb1]

34. If that happened don't you think that

bannon will find nut jobs in those states and get lots of $$$$ from Mercers to support those candidates?

[FarPoint]

36. It's absolutely the right thing to do....

Not just yet as they need more concrete evidence to do something along those lines.....

Will they ???? Depends on if the media stops normalizing tRump as Presidential....

The GOP lacks American Ethics....

[davekriss]

37. Nope

Even less probable would be conviction in the Senate (where 67 votes are needed).

[jalan48]

40. Nope. If he can give them one term they will be happy.

[liquid diamond]

41. Nope.

I don't see why posters here are getting so damn excited about the pending indictments. BFD. Even if trump is proven guilty as sin, his supporters will just claim the investigation is a witch hunt and fake news and resort to "what aboutisms". Congress isn't going to piss of trump's cult followers. If they do, those republicans face being voted out of office.

This whole nightmare was preventable. So damn preventable.

[Saboburns]

45. I think it will get much, much worse before it gets better

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personally I see something truly frightening and terrible in the next decade. Something monstrous.

I wish I saw it differently, I really do.

[liquid diamond]

47. I feel that way too.

I'm predicting something on a WWII level. Nukes may even be involved.

[oberliner]

43. Absolutely no chance of that happening

No matter what comes out of this.

[L. Coyote]

44. Depends on how long it takes to read all the charges.

If the list is as long as expected, the Dems might be in control by then.

Wait and see what charges are brought against Trump, then you'll know the answer to your question.

[DFW]

46. Only under ONE condition. Fulfill it, and they will impeanch him for littering.

Do not fulfill it, and he could STILL shoot someone dead on Fifth Avenue and not lose one vote--or Republican member of Congress who is seeking re-election.

That condition is:

IF poll numbers are so bad (for them) as to indicate that they will, with near certainty, lose their majorities in both the House and the Senate next year, they will find a way to remove Trump from office. Those would have to be numbers that leave no room for their typical election meddling to save them.

On the other hand, if poll numbers indicate their congressional majorities are safe, the wouldn't impeach Trump if he strangled Mitch McConnell to death during a live joint appearance on Meet The Press (though THAT might indeed constitute littering).

[briv1016]

48. They can't risk a vengeful Donald with his followers and a Twitter account.

They're with him to the bitter end.

[Demsrule86]

49. Nope...and there is no point unless the Senate is on board...now a Democratic Congress shouldn't

impeach either without enough senators to convict, but boy we could run a hell of an investigation and cripple donnie two scoops...so vote in 18.

[Garrett78]

50. No. A plurality - if not a majority - of right wingers are solidly behind him no matter what.

And the establishment Republicans can't risk alienation.

Plus, I think the only reason any of the establishment Republicans (and Koch Brothers) dislike Trump is because of his style. They're just fine with his substance.

[Iggo]

51. Nope.

[Skittles]

52. who has even suggested that?

[TexasBushwhacker]

53. No and that's why I think Tom Steyer needs to back off

with his "Need To Impeach" campaign. His money would be better spent supporting Democrats in 2018 and 2020. There is no way the current Congress will impeach Trump. Even if they did, we'd end up with Pence, who would then have a good chance of being reelected in 2020. I think, if we can keep the next election secure, we would have a good chance of beating Trump in 2020.

[Garrett78]

54. We'd end up with Pence...and a Republican Civil War.

I'd take it.

[TexasBushwhacker]

56. The Republicans like Pence more than Trump

I think he would unite them.

[Garrett78]

57. There are the Republicans in Congress. And then there's the Republican electorate.

2 different animals.

[TexasBushwhacker]

58. They may be different, but they will both support Pence n/t

[Garrett78]

59. Trump's cult following admires him because of his overt bigotry and overall style.

Many of them will feel betrayed and pissed off if a GOP-led Congress allows for the impeachment of their cult leader.

[TexasBushwhacker]

60. But as I said originally, the current Congress will not impeach Trump

And a billionaire with a bunch of petitions is not going to sway them.

[Garrett78]

62. We agree on that point.

[Voltaire2]

66. Just because republicans won't do the right thing is no reason for us not to demand that they do.

It should be made painfully undeniable obvious that Trump should be removed and that Republicans refuse to remove him.

[HopeAgain]

55. Pence is not a better option

He is a true believer right wing religiocrat. Even worse, unlike Trump, he can unite the Republicans.

[Garrett78]

63. He can unite Republicans in office. Uniting the Republican electorate is a different matter.

[yuiyoshida]

61. Sadly I agree with you .,UNLESS

THEIR OWN ASSES ARE ON THE LINE...

[Hekate]

65. Unlikely UNLESS we elect a bunch of Dems in 2018. So go to it. nt

[Awsi Dooger]

68. No shot

Not unless an incredibly damning video surfaces. I'm not sure a similarly damning audio would be enough.

Otherwise historical precedence really doesn't matter. Too many threads here have anticipated impeachment with old standards and common sense applied.

Throw them out