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Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:32 PM

Stolen Elections Have Consequences.

Nixon-
Nixon’s Vietnam Treachery
By JOHN A. FARRELLDEC. 31, 2016
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/opinion/sunday/nixons-vietnam-treachery.html

Reagan
Ronald Reagan “treason” amnesia: GOP hypocrites forget their hero negotiated with terrorists. He was just really bad at it
https://www.salon.com/2014/06/07/ronald_reagan_treason_amnesia_gop_hypocrites_forget_their_hero_negotiated_with_terrorists_he_was_just_really_bad_at_it/

Dubya
Don't Forget Jeb Bush Played Key Role in Stealing the Presidency for His Brother
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/http-www-truth-out-org-buzzflash-commentary-don-t-forget-jeb-bush-played-key-role-in-stealing-the-presidency-for-his-brother

One Million Black Votes Didn’t Count in The 2000 Presidential Election…
Sunday, June 20, 2004
http://www.gregpalast.com/one-million-black-votes-didnt-count-in-the-2000-presidential-election-rnits-not-too-hard-to-get-your-vote-lost-if-some-politicians-want-it-to-be-lost/

Trump
The Election Was Stolen – Here’s How…
Friday, November 11, 2016
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

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diva77 Oct 12 OP
The Polack MSgt Oct 12 #1
diva77 Oct 12 #2
mopinko Oct 12 #3
diva77 Oct 12 #4
brooklynite Oct 12 #5
diva77 Oct 12 #6
byronius Oct 12 #7
Xipe Totec Oct 12 #8
L. Coyote Oct 12 #9
diva77 Oct 12 #10
L. Coyote Oct 12 #17
diva77 Oct 12 #18
DFW Oct 12 #13
diva77 Oct 12 #14
TheFrenchRazor Oct 12 #16
diva77 Oct 13 #21
DFW Oct 13 #22
Bradical79 Oct 12 #11
diva77 Oct 12 #20
Glorfindel Oct 12 #12
diva77 Oct 12 #15
questionseverything Oct 12 #19
tblue37 Oct 13 #23

Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:34 PM

1. Thanks for the links. Kick and Rec.

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Response to The Polack MSgt (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:36 PM

2. You're welcome. Time to put a stop to the theft!

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 01:55 PM

3. i used to make political buttons. one of my fave-

step 1- steal the election
step 2- steal everything

nobody ever stole an election to cure poverty and world hunger.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:10 PM

4. +1000 Absolutely!

And elections are being stolen at every level of government.

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:11 PM

5. How was Reagan's election "stolen"?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 02:38 PM

6. good explanation here:

July 11, 2014
The October Surprise Was Real

by Carmelo Ruiz-Marrero

https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/11/the-october-surprise-was-real/

SNIP...the 1980 Reagan-Bush campaign bargained secretly with Iranian radicals for the postponement of the liberation of 52 Americans that they were holding hostage. These hostages were employees of the US embassy in Iran’s capital city of Teheran, which had been stormed by militants loyal to the Ayatollah Khomeini in November 1979. This secret deal, known as the October Surprise, frustrated the attempts of US president Jimmy Carter to obtain the hostages’ release in time for the elections in November. This failure cost Carter his reelection, and swept Republican candidate Ronald Reagan into the presidency. Polls carried out before the election showed that the hostage issue was of top importance in the minds of the American electorate.

The Republican campaign’s main negotiators in this deal were George H. W. Bush, vice presidential candidate and former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director, and William Casey, the campaign’s director and veteran spook who spied for the Office of Strategic Services during World War Two. Once elected, president Reagan appointed Casey to direct the CIA.

The hostages were freed the same day Reagan was sworn in as his nation’s fortieth president on January 1981. What was in it for the Iranians? Weapons, tons of them. Iran needed them badly in order to repel an invasion by Iraq. The Iran-Iraq war lasted from 1980 to 1988 and took approximately one million lives. The much-publicized wars in Central America in those years positively pale in comparison to the horror and carnage of this Middle East war, which was almost certainly the bloodiest of that decade. The October Surprise conspiracy and the arms deals related to the Iran-Iraq war led to the Iran-Contra affair, the biggest political scandal of the 1980’s.

This is very serious business: aiding and abetting a kidnapping, secretly undermining a president’s foreign policy- with the express purpose of tilting election results at home, high treason. You could fry in the electric chair for less than this.

SNIP

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:28 PM

7. Nice roundup. Republicans cheat -- it is their primary focus, and the only thing that they do well.

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:33 PM

8. I prefer to think of this one as a Stoli Election nt

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:14 PM

9. OHIO 2004: How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes

The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes

"... we find that there were massive and unprecedented voter irregularities and anomalies in Ohio. In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior...."
Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio - Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff, Jan. 2005.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:18 PM

10. +1000 This. Absolutely. Computerized voting of all varieties whether

DREs, Optical Scanners, Central Tabulators, etc. have played a huge role in election theft.

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Response to diva77 (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:10 PM

17. Ohio 2004 was 70% punch card voting, designed to steal elections.

Read the link.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:19 PM

18. Yes - have read this link in the past; punch cards must be included in "computerized voting" -

I didn't mention them specifically because most punch card voting has been replaced by the newer "voting" machines and tabulators.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:39 PM

13. Diebold and ESS went to court in 2004 to declare their hard drives "private property"

This meant no forensic examination of their machines were possible without their permission, and that was never given. All Ohio exit polls said Kerry won Ohio (and therefore the presidency). The head of Diebold said he "would deliver Ohio for Bush." The Ohio Secretary of State was also the head of the Re-Elect Bush committee.

AND

Way out in the sticks, there was ONE of the electronic vote-counting machines whose hard drive WAS examined before it could be collected. It was in an out-of-the-way precinct with just 600 registered voters. The voting machine for that precinct gave Bush 3000 votes, or five times as many votes as there were registered voters. But that was just a "glitch," and 2400 votes were shaved from Bush's margin of "victory" in Ohio. NONE of the other voting machines in Ohio were permitted to be examined. They reported their "results," and that was then end of the discussion. Why do you think this (slightly inebriated) Republican Congressman was so cocky on Election Day, early in the afternoon?



When will the country accept it (for we apparently will never learn)? WHEN ELECTIONS ARE HELD FAIRLY, REPUBLICANS LOSE. This is why (DUH), when the chance of manipulation exists, we do not hold national elections fairly.

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." (Attributed to Josef Stalin)

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Response to DFW (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:42 PM

14. +1000 to this!!

We have to get the upper hand with this "voting" machine blight.

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Response to DFW (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:49 PM

16. nothing to see here folks...seriously, we will never have another legit election in this country, un

unless computer voting is done away with completely. all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time.

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Response to DFW (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:28 AM

21. Can you talk to Howard Dean about this?!?!

Pretty please...

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Response to diva77 (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:39 AM

22. I did--very specifically. Ten days ago, Tuesday morning, October 3rd at breakfast

It's one of my most nagging subjects, too. I sent you a PM.

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:23 PM

11. Wish our party would push back harder

I can't speak to how things went down with Nixon and Reagan on this front, but in 2000 and 2004 I do feel like too many rolled over and didn't press the issue publically. Republicans have made a career at elevating fake scandals and non-existant voter fraud, but we've struggled to do the same with the real thing.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:07 PM

20. yes - we should press state, county, and city elections officials to publicly acknowledge that the

machines cannot be depended upon to count our votes as cast. We should call for immediate decertification of ALL computerized equipment being used to either record or tabulate votes. We should replace this with hand counted paper ballots at the precinct level with public oversight.

I have not witnessed the media confronting elections officials about this...

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:27 PM

12. K&R n/t

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:46 PM

15. Lots o' info. on elections stolen due to hacking, gerrymandering etc. - courtesy of Amaryllis

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/electronic-voting-machines-hack-russia_us_5967e1c2e4b03389bb162c96?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

https://www.wsj.com/articles/south-carolina-may-prove-a-microcosm-of-u-s-election-hacking-efforts-1500202806

http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/06/24/just-trump-election-phony-voting-machine-hack-confirmed-across-39-states/

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article157039299.html

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017445164 hacker C-span https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4674512/j-alex-halderman-voting-structure-vulnerable-sabotage-even-attacks-can-change-votes

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/21/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-investigation-prosecution-215164
https://www.unhackthevote.com/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028890363

https://twitter.com/hashtag/unhackthevote?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F10029037495

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/01/23/russians-suspected-hacking-local-dems/96965824/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/russians-suspected-hacking-wisconsin-dems/97023222/

https://www.wired.com/2015/09/dismal-state-americas-decade-old-voting-machines/

https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent-ready-election/

http://www.alternet.org/new-video-watch-wisconsin-election-officials-reject-hand-counts-after-electronic-scanners-make-big

http://time.com/4599886/detroit-voting-machine-failures-were-widespread-on-election-day/

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/according-declassified-report-russians hacked local and state election boards

https://www.thomhartmann.com/users/sfpauly/blog/2016/11/did-gop-strip-flip-2016-selection-bob-fitrakis-and-harvey-wasserman

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-voting-technology/
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37486-the-shocking-truth-about-election-rigging-in-america
http://columbusfreepress.com/article/did-gop-strip-flip-2016-selection
https://thevotingnews.com/tag/interstate-crosscheck/
http://fortune.com/2016/10/01/hackers-targeted-election-systems/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/russian-hackers-targeted-half-states-voter-registration-systems/story?id=42435822
https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2017/01/does-no-one-care-7-million-votes-were-not-counted
http://www.gregpalast.com/the-republican-sabotage-of-the-vote-recounts-in-michigan-and-wisconsin/
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-gops-attack-on-voting-rights-was-the-most-under-covered-story-of-2016/
http://www.gregpalast.com/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/us-officials-are-more-worried-about-the-media-being-hacked-t?utm_term=.uqDAK12M7G#.fwygZ4p5nN
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hackers-used-your-vulnerable-tech-to-throttle-the-internet_us_580b7ab8e4b0cdea3d87c4f0?section=
Gerrymandering:
:http://www.salon.com/2016/06/13/this_is_how_the_gop_rigged_congress_the_secret_plan_that_handcuffed_obamas_presidency_but_backfired_in_donald_trump/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11397113
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/28/election-recount-hacking-voting-machines No hacking but ripe for future breaches
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-president-lays-the-groundwork-for-a-nationwide-voter-intimidation-program/2017/02/14/ef524326-f2dd-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html?utm_term=.94d77addd257

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 06:08 PM

19. k&r

n/t

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Response to diva77 (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 07:31 AM

23. K&R for visibility. nt

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