The Repub offer to ban bump stocks is pure window dressing

[Kaleva]

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It won't really accomplish much. One can, with practice, learn to bump fire a semiautomatic without the device and be reasonably as accurate as one would expect from rapidly firing a gun held at waist level.

Slide stocks, to be a deadly threat, require one thing that is very common in mass shootings and that is high capacity detachable magazines.

Fitting a slide stock to a semiautomatic that has an internal fixed magazine with a capacity of 8 rounds such as the M1 Garand would be a waste of time and money.

Legislation that has an impact almost always generates strong opposition from the sub-group that wishes to maintain the status qou.

What you're seeing here with Repub and die hard gunner support or ambivalence towards banning of slide stocks is "Let's throw the ignorant dweebs a bone.".

[al bupp]

1. We should be talking about ammunition control, not gun control /nt

[Kaleva]

5. I agree with you

[al bupp]

21. It seems so obvious, why isn't mentioned more?

The 2nd amendment says nothing about ammunition, only the right to bear arms. Is there some interpretation that I'm not aware that asserts that access to bullets is somehow integral w/ access to guns?

[Kaleva]

22. Here is an OP I wrote on a possible way to classify assault weapons

By the action of the gun and by the dimensions of the ammunition the gun is designed to fire:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/117297510

[linuxman]

24. Ammo is covered under "arms"

You can't ban printer ink and say "look, no 1st amendment violations here!"

[B2G]

2. So we scream to ban bump stocks,

A proposal is made and it's dismissed as meaningless.

Whatever.

[Kaleva]

3. Ive been talking about bump fire and slide stocks here at DU since at 2012

Ill go back and check to see if you were screaming for the banning of such in any of those threads.

[B2G]

4. What have you been saying?

That they should be banned? Or that banning them won't make any difference?

PS, I haven't because I wasn't even familiar with them until this event.

[Kaleva]

6. When I get access to a laptop, I'll send you a link.

My opinion is that it's the large capacity detachable magazines that pose the greatest threat.

[Kaleva]

7. There's a poll in the gungeon about bump fire stocks

So far, just one person opposes the banning of them. That alone should tell one something.

[B2G]

8. I have no objection to banning them at all.

I was simply asking what your position has been in the past to their banning since you brought it up. It sounded like you have been saying they should be banned, and now that this is a possibility, that it won't make much difference.

[Kaleva]

10. One can ban slide stocks but you can't ban bump fire

The slide stock is a device. Bump fire is a techique. Both do the same thing which is allowing the shooter to fire very rapidly.

[B2G]

11. So sort of like banning suppressors.

You can ban them, but it's still not hard to craft one yourself. Correct?

[Kaleva]

14. No

You can't ban bump fire because it requires nothing but a thumb or finger. There's nothing to purchase or build.

[Spartikis]

9. Just thinking

Not to be a jerk, but this is a case when mag capacity really wouldn't have made a difference, I mean he was barricaded in his room, even with 10 round mags he would have still done a ton of damage, it took them like an hour to get into his room. Not sure if its true but I heard he stopped shooting long before the police entered his room and its because he ran out of ammo.

I think mag limits might help for some mass shootings, especially ones where the shooter has to carry all of their ammo with them and when people are all around them giving people a chance to defend themselves during a reload but this nut job could have sat up there reloading his own ammo if he wanted to. He could have took breaks to go microwave a burrito or use the bathroom.

[Amishman]

12. One commentator was suggesting that part of the reason he had so many spares was the unreliability

One expert was saying the other day that both high capacity magazines and bumpfire stocks are prone to causing jams. This might be why he had so many rifles, one locks up and he just drops it and grabs the next.

[Kaleva]

17. I kind of agree with you

The shooter could have killed and wounded many people by using lever action guns. But the debate here is eith what the shooter actually did use.

My arguement is that a slide fire stock not used in conjunction with high capacity detachable magazines isn't that much of a threat but a semiautomatic fitted with high capacity magaines are a dangerous weapon even without the slide stock or use of the bump fire technique.

[Kaleva]

23. Here is an OP I wrote back in May of 2012

https://www.democraticunderground.com/117236419

[Vinca]

13. This has nothing to do with bump stocks and everything to do with Obama.

ATF said they were fine during the Obama administration, thus - according to GOP thought - Obama killed all those people. They need something to run on in 2018 so they'll bring back O.

[Kaleva]

16. I saw that arguement being made on FR yesterday

[Vinca]

20. It could backfire on them "bigly," though, given the far right love of guns.

[Straw Man]

18. Maybe you know something that I don't.

One can, with practice, learn to bump fire a semiautomatic without the device and be as accurate as one would be firing a select fire gun on full auto.

To the best of my knowledge, bump-firing cannot be done from the shoulder without a device. A rigid stock against a shoulder will not allow for the weapon movement that bump-firing requires. All of my rifle-shooting experience tells me that firing from the shoulder provides a higher degree of accuracy than any other method. Could you explain the basis for your contention above?

[Kaleva]

19. It's hard to achieve accuracy fring most any weapon on full auto.

The recoil from firing muliple rounds in quick succession will throw off the aim.

But I stand corrected. My statement you qouted is wrong. Firing a gun equiped with a slide stock from the shoulder is more accurate then holding the gun at waist level and using the bump fire technique.

My thinking was that one cannot expect bullseye accuracy from firing an automatic, even when held to the shoulder, and one cannot expect that either with bump fire. I stated that the level of accuracy would be the same but that is not true.

[Atman]

25. Not to mention that...

...while the Republican yammer on about it, they're still legal and every yahoo who wants one is buying 'me up by the carload. There will still be plenty to go around, you'll just have to know the right person.

[HopeAgain]

26. Ban whatever we can and keep banning and keep fighting guns

Go ahead all the NRA shills and explain why we can't/shouldn't/why it won't help.