With voter suppression and a congress sabotaging the economy, can Obama really win?

[GusFring]

This Romney tax stuff will blow over if the unemployment rate keeps going up. So what can Dems do to combat this?

[elleng]

1. Very good questions,

and more of us should attend to them.

This is one small way to do so.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002964607

[edhopper]

2. add the ignorance and stupidity

of a vast section of the electorate.

[msongs]

3. a prudent democratic party would offer a plan with vision worth voting for nt

[quinnox]

4. pray

I think its going to be a close one. IMHO, its about even odds who wins right now.

[LongTomH]

18. Pray; but, be prepared to get out and work!

Only by getting out the vote can we win against voter disqualification and a shitstorm of negative ads made possible by Citizens United!

[Vincardog]

5. Run against the Corporatist polices that lead us to this situation. 1. End the tax breaks

for shipping jobs over seas.
2. Put up tariffs for imports.
3. Raise the taxes on corporations until they pay their historical share of the cost of government (35%).
4. Give tax breaks to Worker Controlled Corporations.
5. Outlaw Election stealing vote rigging machines.
6. Outlaw all "Corporate Personhood rights".
7. Enact a MINIMUM income for all people in the USA.
8. Pass a singe payer health CARE plan.
9. Pay for it all with Financial Transactions tax.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

21. Ending the foreign-country tax breaks should be a priority. They started with Nixon in 1971

and no president since that time has opposed them (although Obama made some of us feel good for a while when campaigning in 2008 on a promise to do something about NAFTA).

The foreign-country tax breaks include tax breaks for those who shipped jobs to Mexico and Canada as well as over seas.

[KaryninMiami]

6. Only if we have a landslide- as we did in 2008

Because if it's anywhere near a 2-3% spread, it's over. Between the purges and the machines (the same electronic machines that get rigged every election) and the voter photo Id crap- if the lead is less then 3%-4% and we loose since that represents approx how many votes we can expect to loose in the actual election. That's why a landslide of over 5% is so crucial.

Not to mention the number of people who are being constantly "coaxed" (as we saw today with Sinunu in NH) into believing the President is not American or not One of Us- and it's those ignorant sheep who - the anybody but Obama people- who I think are going to vote in droves which is very upsetting.

[Egalitarian Thug]

7. This election is the President's to lose. There is no way rmoney beats him unless he pulls a Gore.

Rmoney is so easy one has to wonder whether the GOP doesn't want to lose. The Clown Collage rejects that composed the primary candidates made this clown the most reasonable choice of the approved candidates.

There's still time to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but this is Barack Obama's to win or lose.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Finally somebody posted a thread for all the Gloomy Guses!

We thought they'd have nowhere to go this week.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

9. Dunno. Was any effort made by the DOJ or any other Federal agency to investigate Diebold?

Why not?

Could it be that the elections cannot be rigged?

[Honeycombe8]

13. Good point. The recession interfered with everything and changed the game plan.

Not that Diebold was part of the game plan. But it should have been.

[DevonRex]

10. Howdy cheerful!

[MineralMan]

11. Yes, he can.

Yes, we will.

Vote.

[Honeycombe8]

12. It is discouraging to realize how well Romney is polling right now, in the midst of all his troubles

The Republicans just show up and hold their noses and vote for the Republican, no matter who or what he is.

I think it'll be close. But we MUST win. We must.

[DCBob]

14. National polling doesnt mean much... EC state by state Obama is way ahead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html

[scheming daemons]

15. Thanks for your concern

The UE rate can't "keep" going up until it begins to go up.

It was 10.1% just 18 months ago. It has gone down to 8.2%.

It has leveled off... but it isn't "going up".


Nice try.

[Posteritatis]

16. He won last time. (nt)

[DCBob]

17. The tax stuff wont blow over..

That will be an issue until Nov if Rmoney continues to refuse to release them.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. "This Romney tax stuff will blow over if the unemployment rate keeps going up"

Bzzttt. The unemployment rate is NOT "going up".



Turn off Faux Snooze.

[GusFring]

20. So you can guarantee the ue rate will be 8.2 or lower?

[DCBob]

22. The Rethugs in congress will do their best to create enough chaos to keep it high but..

I suspect it will drop below 8.0 by November.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

23. If you don't mind whether the official numbers are accurate or not, absolutely.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Are any of us clairvoyant?

It boggles the mind that no one will look back in history rather than parrot RW assumptions and talking points.



Ironically one guy got re-elected twice with unemployment rates above this fictional "8%" or whatever number that seems to get pulled out by the lamestream media. In fact, that man was elected 4 times before they finally decided to put a term limit in place. My parents, like many others' on DU, grew up during that era. The economic collapse of 2007/2008 mirrored that of 1929/1930, with the only difference being the modicum of the safety net created during the '30s, being in place today - despite the rethug attempts at eliminating it.

You can't use past precedent to always "predict" an outcome. Why? Based on "the precedent", a man named Barack Hussein Obama, as a self-described African-American, would not have been elected to the Presidency of the United States.

[julian09]

27. Make this bumper sticker nt

[julian09]

24. After the Dem convention Obama should point out all the obstruction to create jobs

just to defeat him in reelection. Gop put party ahead of country and are responsible for the unemployment rate being slow to recover.
He should go as hard on this as he has BAIN and RAW MONEY INCOME TAXES.
People should be mad that Gop kept them out of work, and they lost their homes, health insurance and self respect. Gop celebrate their unemployment as a tool to beat Obama. They should defeat every tea party candidate responsible for their hostage taking political agenda. Obama has to go after their record of obstruction, filibuster of every bill. They like to say Dem's didn't do this or that; but the truth is the Dem's had many votes that were over 50 but with the filibuster the Gop won with 41votes though Dem's had 59.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. In every speech he gives, including many Weekly Radio Addresses

he DOES point it out.

The fucking media won't report on it and "we" on DU keep whining about what he "isn't" doing. All you can do is hope that someone has a Youtube up of his campaign appearances or CSPAN shows them. The RW shill lamestream media won't show it.

[GusFring]

28. he's far too polite in pointing it out. No anger at all. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

29. only by staying negative and sustaining the attack on Romney's character

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Winning reelection is always difficult when economy is doing badly.
We add to it the voter suppression, the Republican congress intentionally sabotaging the economy, the advantage is funding both to the Romney campaign and the Citizens United decision which allows massive funding in which the right-wing is bound to have an advantage - of course the overwhelming advantage in right-wing partisan media like Fox News and talk radio - all makes it very, very difficult. Policy positions and "talking about the issues" will offer little help in a situation like this. Or best hope is to make the election personal. Only by being relentless in making the election about Romney's character (where he certainly is vulnerable) do we have a clear path to victory. When the country feels a sense of economic malaise - all the talk in the world about "Obama's accomplishments" or all the great plans for a second term are going to ring hollow with all but the already converted. That strategy simply will not work - if we define work as winning the election. The winning strategy is to attack Romney's character, attack Romney's character, attack Romney's character. Nothing else will work.

[GusFring]

31. It gets to a point where the economy is just too bad to overcome. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

32. issue by issue more Americans agreed more with President Carter than they did with Ronald Reagan

at the time of the 1980 election. From any moderate standpoint President Carter laid out a much more viable and sustainable strategy for economic recovery - even from a traditional Republican viewpoint. But times were tough and perceived as even tougher than they really were - thus Reagan stormed to victory winning easily by a comfortable margin. Winning reelection during bad economic times for an incumbent President is rare. It can be done. President Obama has a very good chance of beating the trend this time, But it will not be done by simply laying out the platform and explaining things dispassionately. It would be nice if election were based on relatively emotionless examinations of the issues by the public. But they are not - especially when things are feeling down.

[Aviation Pro]

30. Hit it Eduard

And Gus, you be all blowed up: