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Sat Sep 30, 2017, 05:24 PM

It, almost certainly, is about to get worse.

A week ago I had a business meeting and the fellow started with something that was obviously on his mind, "I don't want to get into a partisan thing, and I don't agree with everything that Trump says BUT I do agree with him about athletes standing for the national anthem and not disrespecting the flag".

We talked for a bit and I gave him an alternative way of looking at it but then remarked, "its about to get much worse, much worse." He was curious and I explained that we weren't getting news from PR but when we did the news was going to be much worse than people thought. I explained that in modern society when you wipe out the electrical grid you have wiped out the foundation of society. Not only refrigerated food and drugs but also fresh drinking water, and much worse, sewage. When I told him that we were facing a real cholera epidemic that could effect tens of thousands, very quickly, I couldn't really follow the football drama or the stupid tweets. Cholera in the US affecting thousands should be everyone's first concern.

As the situation in PR allows for more interaction we will start getting the details and the pictures. When the basics have been established then there will be a house by house search for victims and it will take weeks to find all those that didn't survive the hurricane.

It will be a relentless day by day record of pain and suffering, some of which is not the fault of anybody and a lot of how Trump's cluelessness caused unnecessary death, suffering and loss.

At that point it will, almost certainly, get worse, much worse.

Trump has only one out. Trump isn't just a vacuous narcissistic semi-literate superficial performer, he is a vacuous narcissistic semi-literate superficial ONE TRICK performer. He has only one out - escalate the buffoonery to a new and higher level of confrontation, reframing, alarmist, scape goading.

The only way that he will get to out flank the pincer movement of bad Puerto Rico stories, general mismanagement stories, Bannon taking over the Republican Party stories, and the drip drip drip leaks from the Mueller investigation is to engage in a military confrontation.

China's closing of most of North Korean expat businesses has put China in the driver's seat in dealing with the North Koreans, along with almost everyone, including Russian revulsion at Trumps wild gestures.

That leaves Iran. At a time when Iran has swerved to its most rational course and made every effort to respond positively to the international agreement including large purchases of Boeing civilian aircraft Trump will be able to stir anti Iranian hysteria that too many including Senator Schumer have used for cheap and dishonest appeals to their bases.

A simple confrontation that triggers brief firing confrontations that doesn't lead to an actual open ended conflict (that would disrupt too much of Trump's golf and social schedule) could bring him weeks of headlines, threats, bombastic tweets and vitriolic nonsense wiping all of the other news of the front page.

It would also bring other benefits for Trump. Any military activity in the Straits of Hormuz will invalidate the underwriting of insurance for the shippers and disrupt 40% of the worlds freely traded oil. Oil prices would go up and bring immediate relief to Russia, OPEC (especially Saudi Arabia who is having an inconvenient debt crises) and the petroleum base of the Republican Party.

It is bad now but we should prepare ourselves for the possibility that it is about to get much worse.

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Reply It, almost certainly, is about to get worse. (Original post)
grantcart Sep 2017 OP
PJMcK Sep 2017 #1
grantcart Sep 2017 #3
PJMcK Sep 2017 #4
H2O Man Sep 2017 #2
Hekate Sep 2017 #5
grantcart Oct 2017 #17
mountain grammy Sep 2017 #6
kairos12 Sep 2017 #7
lindysalsagal Sep 2017 #9
pangaia Sep 2017 #12
lindysalsagal Sep 2017 #8
catbyte Sep 2017 #10
bluestarone Sep 2017 #11
grantcart Sep 2017 #15
calimary Sep 2017 #13
Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #26
gordianot Sep 2017 #14
ms liberty Sep 2017 #16
Bayard Oct 2017 #18
grantcart Oct 2017 #19
RandomAccess Oct 2017 #20
grantcart Oct 2017 #21
Loge23 Oct 2017 #22
Initech Oct 2017 #23
grantcart Oct 2017 #24
Raastan Oct 2017 #25
WinkyDink Oct 2017 #27

Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:24 PM

1. Your optimism impresses me

I am not being sarcastic. It's not only going to get much worse, it could easily become apocalyptic.

As you point out, North Korea and Iran are hot buttons. But there is so much more unrest in the world that without strong peaceful intervention-- which has mostly been the role played by the United States-- many areas of the world could spiral into very dangerous and possibly nuclear confrontations.

And we have Trump at the tiller; the worst leader at the most dangerous time.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:31 PM

3. Even if he doesn't use them there he wants to normalize them for conventional conflicts

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-nuclear-weapons-mini-nukes-targeted-strike-conflict-war-north-korea-russia-a7938486.html

This is the point where nuclear proliferation takes off the US will be isolated for a generation.

These smaller nukes will proliferate and the possibility of one becoming lost and arriving in NY, by surface and not by missile for example, becomes very real.

That is the apocalyptic future that worries me the most.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:32 PM

4. You and I see eye to eye (n/t)

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:26 PM

2. Recommended.

Yes, it is most likely to get much worse.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:37 PM

5. KnR. Thanks, grantcart

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Response to Hekate (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 03:02 AM

17. thanks

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:40 PM

6. I couldn't agree more.

It's going to get much worse and people are beginning to shut down, myself included. We have to stay vocal and awake and not be distracted. The NFL thing was a whisper in trump's ear from his Russian friends, and it worked. Many Americans are real
suckers when you wave the flag and veterans in their faces.
Excellent post.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:40 PM

7. Some have argued the endgame has always been higher oil prices for Putin

so that he can afford the higher extraction costs that will come with Russian trying to reach hard to get to deposits. That's also why Putin needs the embargo lifted on oil technology. That's where the fake Secretary of State comes in.

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:52 PM

9. Oil/hotel deal, tit for tat. No doubt about it. Moskow's bankrupt.

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Response to kairos12 (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:55 PM

12. You are right..He also wants Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, you name it...

NON-LINEAR WARFARE.

Everybody better wake up fast to that fact..

Surkov, Dugin, Putin, Bannon et al...

It is about the complete destruction of Western Democracy..

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:50 PM

8. "vacuous narcissistic semi-literate superficial performer"

Add sociopath, and you're getting close.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 06:55 PM

10. What has been worrying me lately is that Orange Horror Show has so gutted the intelligence

community & so demoralized the ones that remain that we are at a much greater risk of having a rogue organization smuggle a dirty bomb into the US, which will give the Republicans & Orange Horror Show just the excuse they need to declare martial law & then we are well & truly fucked.

I hope my dark imagination has gone off the deep end, but it really seems possible.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 07:28 PM

11. no matter what

America will never be the same

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 09:59 PM

15. One of the realities we have to face is that a great deal of the country was never the same

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 08:12 PM

13. Musings like this one exacerbate my wondering whether trump is actually the Antichrist.

Yeah, that sounds a little far out. But less so as the days go by. We're told the Antichrist has a compelling personality and charisma, and an ardent following, after all...

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Response to calimary (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 05:20 PM

26. Oh, I absolutely believe he is.

And I am nearly the least religious non-atheist you've ever met. I used to laugh in the faces of all of those "end times" people.

My biggest logical sticking point with the Antichrist thing was that it seemed impossible that anyone so transparently evil would ever make it into such a position of world power or be so warmly embraced. It just made no sense. And yet, here we are!

You are not the only one who's surprised that you're pondering this kind of thing lately. Donald Trump has made me question a lot of things I thought I knew about "reality".

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 08:56 PM

14. There are so many possibilities the outcome will be universally terrible.

Trump will be the instigator but the complicit cast of supporters and enablers changes. This is real chaos and anarchy.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Sep 30, 2017, 10:10 PM

16. K&R.. I fear you are correct. n/t

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 11:28 AM

18. Eloquent

And terribly correct.....

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Response to Bayard (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 11:34 AM

19. Thanks

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 11:55 AM

20. scape goading?

 

Cool new term you got there.

I've given it some thought and I think he's doing that to both San Juan Mayor Cruz and Kim Jong Un.




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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:22 PM

21. not an accident

When my word auto filled the intended goat into goad I found that google had previous references but also an interesting article by Andrew Phillips on the interchangeability of "goat" and "goad".

While Trump frequently scape goats using people (name almost everyone except his wife) he is actually goaded more frequently. When Manafort's house was raided by the FBI Trump responded within an hour with a disconnected tweet about kicking out Transgender service members from the military, almost certainly because he thought that the Manafort search would be leaked and he wanted to hijack the news cycle with inflammatory bs. It wasn't leaked and Trump wasted a "Trumped up outrage" on nothing.

In this case the Transgender service people were not "scape goats" but were the object of a "scape goad".

While Trump frequently uses "scape goat" as one of his tactical tools he is constantly reacting to every slight and disaster on a strategic basis. On that basis I decided that in Trump's case "scape goading" was more accurate even though many of his scape goats were a result of his being goaded.


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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:26 PM

22. The last days of the republic

We are all witness to the end of a noble experiment and one that has failed miserably.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:28 PM

23. I feel like they're almost trying to incite war.

And will use it as an excuse to lock up the opposition. That's a scary thought.

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Response to Initech (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 02:31 PM

24. Probably a "Gulf of Tonkin" incident without the war


Something like having a ship drift into Iranian waters proving a "shot over the bow" response and a brief engagement followed by months of red faced threats and saber rattling.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 05:04 PM

25. K + R

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Oct 1, 2017, 05:28 PM

27. Quite the well-thought-out informative and SCARY post. Should be required reading. Once again, Trump

 

seeks to help Russia.

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