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WaPo, wtf? (Original Post) bigtree Sep 2017 OP
What a huge blunder of ignorance...don't usually expect that from WAPO MLAA Sep 2017 #1
From what I can see, the article is about many stranded travelers, including a group of students pnwmom Sep 2017 #34
They do not see PR as "American" Caliman73 Sep 2017 #2
that paper has really gotten shitty lately. The_Casual_Observer Sep 2017 #3
I guess it should say 'Stranded Idahoan' but someone from Idaho is an American. It's not wrong. RAFisher Sep 2017 #4
It should say stranded tourist Blue_Adept Sep 2017 #7
It is very wrong. It implies Puerto Ricans are not Americans. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #8
I think it depends on your perspective. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #16
It is wrong from any perspective. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #25
I don't know how else they can emphasize to ingnorant readers that the victims here are Americans. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #29
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Agree iluvtennis Sep 2017 #37
I'm with you. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #10
It doesn't make any sense that way. yardwork Sep 2017 #17
Fair point Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #21
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #30
Does anyone ever talk about Americans stranded in Texas or Florida after a hurricane? kcr Sep 2017 #19
I get it, but it could easily have been used to distinguish from... Pacifist Patriot Sep 2017 #22
Likewise, I'm not outraged over this. I think anyone near a TV the past couple of weeks knows that. politicaljunkie41910 Sep 2017 #23
If that same Idahoan were stranded in Florida, the headline would never Tanuki Sep 2017 #31
Precisely. dalton99a Sep 2017 #33
OMG SunSeeker Sep 2017 #5
The Answer: There was this hurricane, see? MineralMan Sep 2017 #6
Their online it's a different title SHRED Sep 2017 #9
I could care less.... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2017 #11
Bad copyeditor -- they usually write headlines. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2017 #12
To remind us whose lives matter IronLionZion Sep 2017 #13
I bet if you tell these tourist from the mainland that they should contact the US embassy kydo Sep 2017 #14
True story. cwydro Sep 2017 #20
I grew up in New Mexico HopeAgain Sep 2017 #28
Lol! cwydro Sep 2017 #35
Part of the reason Captain Fuck Up is ignoring the area !!! uponit7771 Sep 2017 #15
My thought on seeing this this a.m. ehrnst Sep 2017 #18
"Stranded Mainlander" maxsolomon Sep 2017 #24
"Tourist" is only 7 letters, which is the word they should have used. nt. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #27
Ooh, you win. maxsolomon Sep 2017 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #32
'Why can't we get out of here"? SergeStorms Sep 2017 #38
I think the headline was to MOCK dump... LakeArenal Sep 2017 #39
Most really don't know that PR citizens are also US citizens. 7962 Oct 2017 #40

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
34. From what I can see, the article is about many stranded travelers, including a group of students
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:26 PM
Sep 2017

from St. Martin, and not all of them were American. They had been evacuated from other islands to P.R., and now they were all stuck.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
2. They do not see PR as "American"
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:04 PM
Sep 2017

When I speak to people who are talking about "American this..." and "American that..." I always ask them to close their eyes and think about what image comes to mind when they say "American" who do they envision? It is most certainly not a person from Puerto Rico, a Black person, a person of Asian heritage, nor a person of Latino ancestry.

RAFisher

(466 posts)
4. I guess it should say 'Stranded Idahoan' but someone from Idaho is an American. It's not wrong.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:11 PM
Sep 2017

It's hard for me to get outraged over this.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
7. It should say stranded tourist
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:25 PM
Sep 2017

The problem is when what, 60% of people don't know that the people in PR are citizens that it gets weird like this.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
8. It is very wrong. It implies Puerto Ricans are not Americans.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:31 PM
Sep 2017

It is headlines like this that cause so many US mainlanders to think Puerto Ricans are not US citizens. It is dead wrong.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
16. I think it depends on your perspective.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:26 PM
Sep 2017

You and I know Puerto Ricans are Americans. To anyone who doesn't (probably half of America) that specific callout means something very different along the lines of 'These are American Citizens by the by you dumb shit, and you should care about it like you care about your self'.


(I think we should care just because they are humans, but citizenship is a litmus test for these things, and a lot of WaPo's readers probably do not know they are citizens.)

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
25. It is wrong from any perspective.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 04:45 PM
Sep 2017

The very fact that most Americans don't realize Puerto Ricans are US citizens is why it is so wrong. That headline purpetuates that racist error.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
29. I don't know how else they can emphasize to ingnorant readers that the victims here are Americans.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 05:29 PM
Sep 2017

Certainly not in so few words.


Edit: Hmm. KCR's post 19 has actually maybe changed my opinion on this. I was reading a little more charitable intent into the headline than maybe it is.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
10. I'm with you.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:40 PM
Sep 2017

I didn't read it as an implication that Puerto Ricans weren't Americans. It is a story about Americans stranded there. Okay, they could have said "tourist" or "traveler" or what have you, but the story is specifically about American tourists and travelers. I think it's unfair to assume the WaPo editor doesn't grasp that Puerto Ricans are also Americans from this headline.

yardwork

(61,596 posts)
17. It doesn't make any sense that way.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:40 PM
Sep 2017

Would WaPo have written the same headline about somebody from Kansas trying to get home from Houston? Did they write this about people from New Jersey trying to get out of Florida?

Response to yardwork (Reply #17)

kcr

(15,315 posts)
19. Does anyone ever talk about Americans stranded in Texas or Florida after a hurricane?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:52 PM
Sep 2017

No. That's the same reason it shouldn't be worded that way for PR and it most certainly does imply Puerto Ricans aren't Americans. It's to set them apart and distinguish them as Americans, with the implication being the opposite for anyone from there.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
22. I get it, but it could easily have been used to distinguish from...
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 03:12 PM
Sep 2017

German or Italian tourists trying to get out of Puerto Rico since the article didn't mention any foreign stranded tourists. I'm willing to stand corrected though I just don't see WaPo editors not realizing Puerto Ricans are Americans too. But I could very well be wrong.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
23. Likewise, I'm not outraged over this. I think anyone near a TV the past couple of weeks knows that.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 03:31 PM
Sep 2017

In the age of Trump, you won't hear me uttering a disparaging word against the WP. With all the BS they've had to put up with from the current occupier of the Oval Office, I'm not going to give them any grief. I just want them to keep investigating this regime and keep reporting on what they are up to. Hillary didn't receive a break and neither should this fake administration. If this hurricane had happened on President Obama's watch, the GOP and their ilk would have been reminding us of that administration's shortfall everyday. So when the GOP nominates and elects an ignorant and incompetent fool to the hardest job in the nation, than the public needs to be reminded of the error of their ways every day he's in office, lest we repeat ourselves, the next time an ignorant and incompetent fool decides he wants a shot at the job, because he's bored.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
31. If that same Idahoan were stranded in Florida, the headline would never
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 05:32 PM
Sep 2017

identify him as a "stranded American."

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
6. The Answer: There was this hurricane, see?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:24 PM
Sep 2017

You might have noticed it while you were there. It did lots and lots of damage, and the full flight schedule at San Juan airport has not resumed. Like you, many Americans, including people who live in Puerto Rico, are trying to leave, due to the hurricane damage. More people want to leave than there are seats available on the limited flights.

I realize that it is frustrating for you. It is equally, if not more, frustrating for people with serious medical issues who need proper care, and others who need to leave on an emergency basis. I know it's hot and humid. Puerto Rico is like that during this time of year. Sadly, the hurricane knocked out all electrical power for most of the island, making air conditioning equipment unable to operate.

I see that you are at the airport, which is a good thing. I'm sure you'll be able to get on a flight relatively soon, since you have that advantage over many Puerto Ricans, who cannot get to the airport. Soon, you'll be on your way home to Idaho, with stories to tell for years to come. I hope you get to leave soon. Sadly, many people who live in Puerto Rico do not have the means to buy a ticket off the island they call home. I hope relief comes to them in time to prevent illness and loss of life.

Good luck!

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
11. I could care less....
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:54 PM
Sep 2017

...about what story they have on page A11. What disgusts me is not having photos and stories about starving, sick and thirsty Puerto Ricans on the front page, in big type every day until this emergency is over. Same thing applies to those suffering in Texas and Florida, and wildfire victims in the West.

Our collective morals must totally be in the shitter when a major paper gives top priority to every fart tRump lets, an Alabama GOP primary election, a returning GOP representative, and Hugh Hefner.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
14. I bet if you tell these tourist from the mainland that they should contact the US embassy
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:14 PM
Sep 2017

Like fools they really try to do that.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
20. True story.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 03:01 PM
Sep 2017

When I lived I Key West and was working in the tourist industry, on more than one occasion tourists would ask me if they'd have to declare their purchases to customs when they returned, or if it was legal for them to take Key West cigars back with them.

I'd always try to be kind.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
28. I grew up in New Mexico
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 04:55 PM
Sep 2017

Back when you would do catalog orders by phone. People would often say things to New Mexicans like "we don't ship out of the country."

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
18. My thought on seeing this this a.m.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:51 PM
Sep 2017

is that it was a big finger to the GOP and DT that they are not talking about the people of PR as Americans.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
24. "Stranded Mainlander"
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 03:37 PM
Sep 2017

I guess the hard part was:

Mainlander = 10 letters
American = 8 letters

I'm available for consults, WaPo.

Response to bigtree (Original post)

SergeStorms

(19,195 posts)
38. 'Why can't we get out of here"?
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 03:41 AM
Sep 2017

Pretty simple, actually. We have a supposed "president" who doesn't give a shit about the people in Puerto Rico. He doesn't have enough wealthy campaign donors living in Puerto Rico. Their skin is brown, some of them don't speak "American" and they don't vote for American Presidents.

Trumps mind is focused like a laser on his tax cuts. Like Trump's mind could be "focused like a laser" on ANYTHING!

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
39. I think the headline was to MOCK dump...
Sat Sep 30, 2017, 10:51 AM
Sep 2017

Remind him that even if he thinks Puerto Ricans are nasty and brown... His relief effort is failing the Americans he thinks are worthy as well as American citizens of PR. But it just rolls of dumps greasy back. Comforts him to think PR is second rate as people die....

But he and spike heels are traveling there on the way to the American Virgin Islands, so that should humble the folks to shut up about relief...

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
40. Most really don't know that PR citizens are also US citizens.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 05:41 AM
Oct 2017

The whole statehood/non-statehood thing throws them

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