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kentuck

(111,037 posts)
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:56 AM Sep 2017

FaceBook morphed into something not imagined.

Mark Zuckerberg had no idea that FaceBook would become what it is today. No one did.

It was not created to be a media platform. It was not intended to be a place where people get their news and information. But, that is what has happened.

Unfortunately, it has morphed into one of the largest propaganda platforms this world has ever known. People are able to create their own news, whatever fits their ideology, and then pass it on as "real" news.

It now appears that Russian intelligence saw this trend before Americans saw it? We were all victims of this propaganda in the last election.

Facebook should come with a warning. Do not believe anything on FaceBook unless it has been researched and validated. It is a propaganda tool like we have never seen before.

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FaceBook morphed into something not imagined. (Original Post) kentuck Sep 2017 OP
No facebook here madokie Sep 2017 #1
When my Mom passed away... kentuck Sep 2017 #2
so glad im not a FB junkie. I traded it for twitter... samnsara Sep 2017 #3
Twitter is another problem, in my opinion. kentuck Sep 2017 #4
Yeah, MySpace. FaceSpace. Glad I ditched it and just hope bluepen Sep 2017 #5
Twitter? kentuck Sep 2017 #6
And gets called out every time. bluepen Sep 2017 #7
It doesn't matter how much he is "called out".. kentuck Sep 2017 #8
And his 40,000 bots still like his tweets immediately. L. Coyote Sep 2017 #11
Apparently, bots don't know how to use a camera. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #13
Thats also true when TV pundits call his bullshit bluepen Sep 2017 #12
Everybody seems to be an authority on any given subject. kentuck Sep 2017 #14
Spreading misleading memes, (truly) fake news, etc isnt restricted bluepen Sep 2017 #16
True. kentuck Sep 2017 #20
.. roamer65 Sep 2017 #26
Facebook has absolute control over what you see on Facebook no matter who posts what. L. Coyote Sep 2017 #9
Go ahead and put a patent on that idea. kentuck Sep 2017 #10
No need for facebook or twitter mshasta Sep 2017 #15
There are billions of people on FaceBook worldwide. kentuck Sep 2017 #18
A site originally created to rate whether college girls were hot or not should never have MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #17
I recall that when it first started, there was not very much political stuff discussed. kentuck Sep 2017 #19
It became a place where you could see if someone had a dark soul. Baitball Blogger Sep 2017 #21
Yes. You learned things about your "friends" that you never knew. kentuck Sep 2017 #22
Facebook has become a living history of life. ileus Sep 2017 #23
I'm with ya! Lisa0825 Sep 2017 #29
I'm obviously missing something here. Tracer Sep 2017 #24
Perhaps you are one of the few that has escaped any political discussion? kentuck Sep 2017 #25
Since my F & F are all staunch liberals, Tracer Sep 2017 #35
Most people do not have F & Fs that are that "pure". kentuck Sep 2017 #39
How does that differ from any other online platform or discussion board? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #27
Because the discussion is usually with "friends" or people that you know. kentuck Sep 2017 #28
Wouldn't that be more a problem with friends and family, than the platform? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #30
Possibly? kentuck Sep 2017 #31
But why is that a bad thing? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #33
What? kentuck Sep 2017 #34
Politics. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #36
A friend of mine posted on Facebook this morning a quote in one of those blue boxes... kentuck Sep 2017 #37
Sounds like a problem with your friends, not Facebook. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #38
Kremlin/GOPs bought voter lists and sent targeted ads to specific, stupid people Kolesar Sep 2017 #32
Frankly, people who use FB to get their news are fools. MineralMan Sep 2017 #40
In 2011, Facebook asked for political ads on its site 2b regulated like campaign buttons, not TV ads Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #41
It's the new town public square IronLionZion Sep 2017 #42
Nothing for me except D U and MSNBC after 8 blueinredohio Sep 2017 #43

madokie

(51,076 posts)
1. No facebook here
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 07:59 AM
Sep 2017

one of my wifes friends set up a facebook for her but to this day she has no desire to even log in. This has been at least 2 years ago.

Myself I attempted to create a facebook account but it was too invasive for my liking so I quit. No facebook in our home. Period

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
2. When my Mom passed away...
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:02 AM
Sep 2017

...the family set up a Facebook page so we could all stay in touch. It seemed like the greatest thing that was ever invented, at the time. But, I have seen it grow into this massive propaganda machine.

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
4. Twitter is another problem, in my opinion.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:04 AM
Sep 2017

It permits just enough information to create confusion in the masses. It's like a riot with everyone yelling something different at the person they are addressing.

bluepen

(620 posts)
5. Yeah, MySpace. FaceSpace. Glad I ditched it and just hope
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:09 AM
Sep 2017

people who are more suited for FB’s horrible culture don’t start making their way over to Twitter.

bluepen

(620 posts)
7. And gets called out every time.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:17 AM
Sep 2017

Almost 100% of the time, people calling him out are at the top of the thread.

Very different situation there than on FB.

Facebook is rampant disinformation, throughly debunked bullshit still making he rounds on that cesspool of a website. Then there’s the tired old family photo album aspect of FB (with heaps of fake praise), along with the personal drama (with heaps of fake sympathy). Just awful. But hey, it’s geared toward a certain set of users so, have at it.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
11. And his 40,000 bots still like his tweets immediately.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:27 AM
Sep 2017
Plus, they bring new meaning to the term "Faceless minion" idiots. :rofl"

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
13. Apparently, bots don't know how to use a camera.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:30 AM
Sep 2017

I particularly love the "guy" whose avatar image is a picture of his neck.

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
14. Everybody seems to be an authority on any given subject.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:32 AM
Sep 2017

Total unknowns are re-tweeted as if it was gospel... We have seen these names debated here on DU.

bluepen

(620 posts)
16. Spreading misleading memes, (truly) fake news, etc isnt restricted
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:40 AM
Sep 2017

to a given platform, whether it’s social media or message boards. That’s more of an issue of many people’s need/desire for confirmation bias.

I just think FB has a horrible culture in every way.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
26. ..
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:07 AM
Sep 2017


Generally, I am not a fan of social media. Especially FB. I had an acquaintance who was addicted to FB. He got where he literally couldn't put his phone down even when you were talking to him. Very annoying.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
9. Facebook has absolute control over what you see on Facebook no matter who posts what.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:23 AM
Sep 2017

That is the key to Facebook's control over what people think and how they are able to profit. They recently made another change to gain more control, forcing me to select "most recent" on my newsfeed so they don't get to tell me what is more important for me to see first.

We need a new social media platform for realists, built to exclude social control and profit enterprising. That means hosting your own content instead of massive server farms.

mshasta

(2,108 posts)
15. No need for facebook or twitter
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:37 AM
Sep 2017

My husband and I only have a linkedin account only, we don't use facebook nor twitter. Everyone should follow lead

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
17. A site originally created to rate whether college girls were hot or not should never have
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:41 AM
Sep 2017

evolved into anything in the first place.

Welcome to Idiocracy.

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
19. I recall that when it first started, there was not very much political stuff discussed.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:43 AM
Sep 2017

But, very quickly, it became an outlet for people to express their opinions, factual or not.

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
22. Yes. You learned things about your "friends" that you never knew.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:51 AM
Sep 2017

It is an extremely difficult terrain to navigate.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
23. Facebook has become a living history of life.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:52 AM
Sep 2017

The past 8 or 9 years of my families life is recorded there. Major and minor events are there easily recalled, and there for "friends" to see as I see fit.

It's a darned handy platform for most everything. I'd love to be cool and progressive and say I don't use facebook, but that'd be a lie.

Our dog even has his own page that he kept updated since he was 8 weeks old. I think he also has an instagram account. He's one social butterfly...

Lisa0825

(14,487 posts)
29. I'm with ya!
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:23 AM
Sep 2017

I keep in touch with family and friends around the country and the world.

I'm in a support group for a rare disease, and can't imagine how lost I would have felt without being able to connect with others who have it.

I live alone, so it's really a social outlet for me. I would feel much more isolated without it.

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
24. I'm obviously missing something here.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:52 AM
Sep 2017

I don't have a Facebook account, but use my daughter's to see what my son, daughter-in-law and other relatives are doing.

I've never seen an ad, article, or any other kind of propaganda on Facebook -- at least on the pages that I frequent.

Yes, I block ads on Firefox. Is that the reason?

Pardon my naiveté.

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
25. Perhaps you are one of the few that has escaped any political discussion?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:56 AM
Sep 2017

It depends on who and what your "family and friends" want to discuss on Facebook.

Tracer

(2,769 posts)
35. Since my F & F are all staunch liberals,
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:43 AM
Sep 2017

our only political discussions consists of our disgust with the Asshole. [He who shall not be named].

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
28. Because the discussion is usually with "friends" or people that you know.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:20 AM
Sep 2017

The divisiveness is much more raw.

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
31. Possibly?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:33 AM
Sep 2017

But a lot of people like to talk about politics more than cats and dogs, believe it or not.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,302 posts)
36. Politics.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:45 AM
Sep 2017

Your thesis is that Facebook has turned into something it wasn't intended to be and that's somehow terrible. That's what happens with most new tools; users find new ways to use it that fit their needs. Some people are finding out that their acquaintances, families and friends hold views that they didn't know they had, and some are consuming content that is false. That happens on all tech platforms as well as in real life. Calls to boycott or take down Facebook are odd to me, I guess, because it's such a user-driven experience; many objections people have to it can be solved by using it more effectively.

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
37. A friend of mine posted on Facebook this morning a quote in one of those blue boxes...
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:50 AM
Sep 2017

It said that Budweiser had withdrawn all association with the NFL.

They received it from someone else and "shared" it.

Is it true? I don't know. I doubt it.

But you cannot keep up with the lies and false information because there is no desire to post just facts or to differentiate between fact and fiction.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,302 posts)
38. Sounds like a problem with your friends, not Facebook.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:52 AM
Sep 2017

As with all content, it's important to vet who's producing it and why.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
32. Kremlin/GOPs bought voter lists and sent targeted ads to specific, stupid people
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:36 AM
Sep 2017

That is why most of us never heard the extreme judgements that Hillary Clinton was a criminal.
I think they bought the lists. They may have been stolen or free.

MineralMan

(146,242 posts)
40. Frankly, people who use FB to get their news are fools.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:06 AM
Sep 2017

It is a social media venue, and works great to keep in touch with friends and relatives, despite the heavy ad load. For news, it's useless. There are many news aggregation sites, including the search engines. Using appropriate technology appropriately is the best approach.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
41. In 2011, Facebook asked for political ads on its site 2b regulated like campaign buttons, not TV ads
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:11 AM
Sep 2017

In 2011, Facebook asked for political ads on its site to be regulated like campaign buttons, not TV ads, which require a disclaimer.




How Facebook deliberately pursued policies that left its platform vulnerable to being exploited http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/27/technology/business/facebook-political-ad-rules/index.html … by @donie



IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
42. It's the new town public square
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:59 AM
Sep 2017

any person can stand on a street corner and spew forth whatever nonsense they want. Such is life.

One feature that I have seen is that some posts will have a "related links" section where the top result is a Snopes piece dismissing it as false. This could be used for instant fact checking. Or a google or other search feature tied to such posts so that a person could verify quickly and conveniently. It needs to be instant or people won't bother using it.

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