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(144,933 posts)CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)Way.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)He is an ignorant narcissist who cheated his way into office. He does not understand government and shows no interest in learning more. He is not concerned for one moment about most of the people in this country much less the rest of the world.
I just refer to him as Trump. No title.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)I won't even give him that. But, regarding the appellation, how about "The current holder of the office that was once generally considered to be the leader of the free world?"
efhmc
(14,723 posts)TNNurse
(6,926 posts)No cutesy spelling or nicknames or titles.
I do understand how hard it is to type or say his name.
madokie
(51,076 posts)emphasis on the last four letters
Thats all he is and all he's ever been and all he'll ever be, a big ASS
yorkie77
(87 posts)Short for idiot and also the fact he has no Ego or Superego that govern everyone else's behavior. The worse base instincts determine all his behavior.
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)and like it even less at sporting events and public gatherings. Ditto the flag pledge.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)The Star Spangled Banner is too much about military and is apparently pretty hard to sing considering what we have heard over the years. ( I cannot sing at all)
shanny
(6,709 posts)Although for me the socialistic This Land is My Land is a top choice for a new anthem too. But America the Beautiful would do, very well (refers to my home state of CO
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Not only do I love the message of inclusiveness in the song, it is so much easier to sing than most other choices.
This Land Is Your Land
This land is your land, this land is my land
From the California to the New York island
From the Redwood Forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me
As I went walking that ribbon of highway
I saw above me that endless skyway
And saw below me that golden valley
This land was made for you and me
I roamed and rambled and I followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me , a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me
When the sun comes shining, then I was strolling
In the wheat fields waving and dust clouds rolling
The voice was chanting as the fog was lifting
This land was made for you and me
This land is your land and this land is my land
From the California to the New York island
From the Redwood Forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me
When the sun comes shining, then I was strolling
In wheat fields waving and dust clouds rolling
The voice come chanting as the fog was lifting
This land was made for you and me
I'd even include some of the more controversial verses:
There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me.
The sign was painted, said 'Private Property.'
But on the backside, it didn't say nothing.
This land was made for you and me.
One bright sunny morning in the shadow of the steeple,
by the relief office I saw my people.
As they stood hungry,
I stood there wondering if God blessed America for me.
When the sun comes shining, then I was strolling,
With the wheat fields waving, the dust clouds rolling,
The voice come a-chanting, and the fog was lifting.
This land was made for you and me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Land_Is_Your_Land
http://www.npr.org/2000/07/03/1076186/this-land-is-your-land
fierywoman
(7,671 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)would that we did
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Irving Berlin's "God Bless America" is more rousing, for those who prefer to wave the flag harder, and is still way better than "...Banner."
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Irving Berlin didn't even have the All-American spirit to be born in the United States! What kind of role model is he for Americans? Rumor has it that the guy who wrote White Christmas might not have been a Jesus-loving, true God-fearing Christian.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)America the Beautiful celebrates what's best about America.
classykaren
(769 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)At this anthem and it's author. 99% of Americans don't know Francis Scott Key was a slave owner. The third stanza is so racist , murderous and anti black.
Wake up the people,
It would be good to read Howard Zinn'so the People's history of the United States,
I am going to reread it again.
When I was a kid growing up in the the USA I loved the Walt Disney Sunday TV show that did history like Davy Crockett and the Alamo.
But then I went to the library and got the real history in Look, Life and the National Geographic. I found Howard Zinn decades later.
I think I became concerned and aware when I saw On The Beach movie at 12 years old. I was a reader of the news and loved John Daley and Walter Cronkite.
Canada is now admitting our shItty history with our aboriginals.
We know how to apologize.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Despite the hugely fictionalized stories of real historical figures, it did get many kids going to the library checking out the actual facts. Even as a teacher when an adult, I'll give credit where due: a lot of these characters (except, probably for Crockett) would have been largely lost to history (and later, were again). Old Walt did do some good while lining his pockets.
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)Walking up the stairs of the library is one of my permanent memories. I can still visualize it and smell the book smell of the library. I was 8 years old.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Old Walt did stuff like Song of the South which pretty much whitewashed slavery.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Like you, I didn't know he was a slave owner, but there's more to it. I present an excerpt from his Wikipedia bio with the warning that Wikipedia is not censored and, in presenting verbatim quotations, does not use euphemisms like "the n-word":
Throughout his career Key also represented several slaves seeking their freedom in court (for free), as well as several masters seeking return of their runaway slaves.[17][18] Key, Judge William Leigh of Halifax, and bishop William Meade were administrators of the will of their friend John Randolph of Roanoke, who died without children and left a will directing his executors to free his more than four hundred slaves. Over the next decade, beginning in 1833, the administrators fought to enforce the will and provide the freed slaves land to support themselves.[19]
Key publicly criticized slavery's cruelties, so much that after his death a newspaper editorial stated "So actively hostile was he to the peculiar institution that he was called 'The Nigger Lawyer' .... because he often volunteered to defend the downtrodden sons and daughters of Africa. Mr. Key convinced me that slavery was wrongradically wrong."[20] In June 1842, Key attended the funeral of William Costin, a free, mixed race resident who had challenged Washington's surety bond laws.
Key was a founding member and active leader of the American Colonization Society and its predecessor, the influential Maryland branch, the primary goal of which was to send free African-Americans back to Africa.[17] However, he was removed from the board in 1833 as its policies shifted toward abolitionist.
(emphasis added for one sentence that really highlights the ambiguity)
In the early 19th century, that idea of freeing the slaves and helping them return to Africa was popular among people who abhorred slavery but who thought that blacks and whites could never live together in peace as equals. IIRC, Lincoln favored that approach.
ETA: None of this changes the fact that "The Star-Spangled Banner" is a really bad song. I would love to see "This Land Is Your Land" become the national anthem but that's probably too much to hope for. I'd settle for "America the Beautiful" despite the repeated references to God (a popular figure from the bourgeois religion-myth).
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)The anthem was wriiten in 1812 . He had slaves then. The third stanza, rarely known, shows he is pro slavery then. I never knew this until recently. This is not tch taught in American schools.
Realized at a young age themany in the USA were racists, including my family.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)no others need apply
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I haven't checked out the level of stupid lately and just peeked over there. LOL, yep still the same idiots. Are they going to post about Hillary till the day they die?
Gothmog
(144,933 posts)Warpy
(111,162 posts)That is all.