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Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:10 AM

What kind of cognitive dissonance exists when a draft dodging asshole tries to lecture the nation

on respect for the flag?

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Reply What kind of cognitive dissonance exists when a draft dodging asshole tries to lecture the nation (Original post)
Augiedog Sep 25 OP
HughBeaumont Sep 25 #1
pwb Sep 25 #2
BigOleDummy Sep 25 #4
keithbvadu2 Sep 25 #18
DK504 Sep 25 #24
pwb Sep 25 #34
tiptonic Sep 25 #3
Timmygoat Sep 25 #5
KY_EnviroGuy Sep 25 #6
erronis Sep 25 #16
KY_EnviroGuy Sep 25 #17
SammyWinstonJack Sep 25 #20
ExciteBike66 Sep 25 #7
billh58 Sep 25 #12
ExciteBike66 Sep 25 #13
billh58 Sep 25 #14
ExciteBike66 Sep 25 #15
billh58 Sep 25 #28
ExciteBike66 Sep 25 #31
billh58 Sep 25 #33
ExciteBike66 Sep 25 #35
billh58 Sep 25 #36
ExciteBike66 Sep 25 #37
billh58 Sep 25 #38
ExciteBike66 Sep 25 #39
bluepen Sep 25 #30
PatSeg Sep 25 #8
IronLionZion Sep 25 #9
L. Coyote Sep 25 #10
Botany Sep 25 #11
KY_EnviroGuy Sep 25 #19
DemoTex Sep 25 #21
KY_EnviroGuy Sep 25 #23
Botany Sep 25 #22
KY_EnviroGuy Sep 25 #25
Botany Sep 25 #27
KY_EnviroGuy Sep 25 #32
NightWatcher Sep 25 #26
billh58 Sep 25 #29

Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:14 AM

1. A draft-dodging, white-supremacist-coddling fascist at that.

One who has engaged in racist business practices and stiffed small businesspersons also.

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:35 AM

2. At my induction physical they checked for flat feet not bone spurs that got dotard his 4f exemption.

I think only veterans should stand at events. We would honor each other that way and thats all the respect i want.

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Response to pwb (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:51 AM

4. This

Veteran agrees with you.

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Response to pwb (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:34 AM

18. flat feet 1967 enlisting no problem

1980 coming back in.

flat feet - doctor changed form from 'fit for enlistment' to 'fit for reenlistment'

I asked him if flat feet would have kept me out if coming in for the first time in 1980.

He did not say yes,,,, he did not say no.

Just kinda shrugged.

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Response to pwb (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:11 AM

24. He had a note from daddy's doctor say he had pain

pure little baby. He play every sport in high school, seems it never bothered him then.

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Response to DK504 (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:39 AM

34. Or when he golfs.

Only when it was time to step up. Just like all the other tough guy pukes.

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:47 AM

3. 5 deferments

Comrade Benedict donald and his 5 deferments, knows all about patriotism and the flag.

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:53 AM

5. I have not heard him screech

About Kushner's Email account, when will he shout 'lock him up' at his rallies.

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:59 AM

6. It's his elitist nature.

I suspect his elitist upbringing and coddled, penthouse-oriented adult life block any cognitive dissonance.

Further, I still refuse to believe he initiates and writes all these Tweets. I suspect they are carefully, tactically planned by his minders with the primary objective of creating maximum confusion, fear and anger in the public. Just look at all the massive coverage over a routine political rally and its aftermath this weekend.

They know exactly how to keep 'em dumb, delusional, distraught and distracted!

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:01 AM

16. Echo that analysis. He's no more in control than President* Merkin.

* Muffley to be exact. I don't want to offend pubic wigs by that rag o'muffin on drumpf's head.

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Response to erronis (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:22 AM

17. LOL, you guys are too sharp for Monday mornings.

Honestly had to look that one up, but now you've got me craving a rerun - thanks!

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:35 AM

20. Spot on.

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:04 AM

7. Let's not get critical of draft dodging...

Trump is a dick, but the draft is a form of slavery and should be dodged by anyone who values freedom.

I volunteered for the Army (many years after the end of the draft), but I hope I would have burned my draft card if I had been of age in the 1960's.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:32 AM

12. Dodging the draft for a principle

is very different from dodging the draft out of cowardice. I volunteered as well, but I served with many draftees who were proud to serve.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:37 AM

13. Oh I agree that there are different reasons, but I don't think we should shame even

those who dodge out of mere cowardice. I mean, if more men in the world avoided military service, it is almost assured that the world would be a better place.

Either way, the OP does not make a distinction and appears to use the epithet "draft dodgers" in a negative sense. I disagree.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:38 AM

14. I agree with the OP. n/t

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Response to billh58 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:40 AM

15. You agree that all draft dodgers ought to be shamed? Or you sense the OP

making the same distinction you and I are making?

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:37 AM

28. I agree with the OP.

"All" is the straw man argument of the right-wing, and you are the only one using that phrasing. Some draft dodgers should be shamed, some should not. YMMV.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #28)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:45 AM

31. My question is which draft dodgers should be shamed?

Once again, the draft is a form of slavery. I argue that we should not shame anyone who avoids such a regime. In fact, considering the goals of the Vietnam war and the way it was fought, I think we should actually commend anyone who refused to serve at that time. I am not saying we should shame those who did serve, I believe the government lied to them and I cannot hold them accountable for decisions they did not make themselves.

So my question to you is who would you shame and why?

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #31)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:52 AM

33. Your axe should be well ground

by now. I remain in agreement with the OP.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #33)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:18 PM

35. I'm just curious why a Democrat would want to shame people who are cowards.

I mean, we don't shame the hundreds of thousands of people who fled Lower Manhattan on 9/11, even while we praise those to ran in the direction of the towers to help.

I'm sorry if I feel the need to draw this line of argument out, but I am sincerely hoping to change your mind regarding people who are too scared to fight in a war.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #35)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:26 PM

36. And I'm curious why you

want to hijack this thread with an argument which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the Orange Anus-mouth dodged the draft because he is a coward, and is deriding POC because they are showing courage. The OP does NOT lump all draft dodgers into one group -- it is you who have done that.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:44 PM

37. Now you are mis-characterizing my opinion.

I did not lump all draft dodgers together, in fact I mentioned both cowards and principled dodgers in my comments.

My latest comments have been directed at you personally because you are the one who is saying you think we should be shaming certain people in society. I am interested in who you want to shame and the reasons for your opinion.

We tease Melania Trump all the time for her "anti-bullying" crusade, but so far you have not denied that you yourself believe we should be bullying certain people.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #37)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:50 PM

38. Bub bye Bubba... n/t

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Response to billh58 (Reply #38)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:53 PM

39. It is sad that you chose not to explain your position that bullying is justified

in the case of cowards who dodge the draft. I for one chose not to block you even though it is clear you are a bully, and I am sticking to that choice because I believe you can change your mind.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:40 AM

30. +1

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:13 AM

8. Or one who would collude

with a foreign adversary and praise oppressive dictators?

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:24 AM

9. STDs were like his own personal Vietnam

and he went to military school.

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:29 AM

10. Distraction at its finest. #WealthyCare, #TrumpRussia, Illegitimate elections, lots to cover up.

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:30 AM

11. "What kind of cognitive dissonance exists when a draft dodging asshole tries to lecture the nation?

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When a % of that nation who listens to Fox, Rush, and other right wing whack a doddle crap
and do not realize that they are being lied to.

In 2004 the same right wing bull shit industry sold people that John Kerry, who was awarded
3 purple hearts, a bronze star, and silver star that he was a coward and in 2016 they blamed
Hillary for email crimes for just doing he job.

20 to 30% of Americans are really fucked in the head* and they get their brains refilled w/
garbage and lies on a daily basis too.


*

Fox New's new distraction machine, Tomi Lauren.

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Response to Botany (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:35 AM

19. Yea, I ain't got over Kerry yet either.

Never forget or forgive anti-Kerry lie-filled brochures passed out in Southern Baptist churches. That one should have been a clear warning that they will stop at nothing to win. Of course, Nixon/Agnew did even worse things.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:41 AM

21. Then: Swiftboating chickenhawks.

Now: Trump, the draft-dodging bone spur survivor who likes Vietnam air combat vererans who "weren't shot down."

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Response to DemoTex (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:55 AM

23. Kerry.

I can really get my feathers ruffled over that one (and Al Gore as well), but I will say I deeply respect John Kerry for picking himself up, moving on, and doing a masterful job as Secretary of State. Outstanding, intelligent, brave man with the best of character!

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:49 AM

22. know your enemy .... creative response concepts

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Response to Botany (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:18 AM

25. Thanks, that's a great Wiki page - definitely a bookmark!

I'm sure you understand that those of us raised up to deal with our fellow man in fairness and truth really struggle with these actions. I really fear for the future of our country when we elect people who do not believe in the concept of public service and lie constantly to gain power. And, they've co-opted many of our churches, substantial media outlets, and sectors of our military as partners.

As a life-long Democrat, my strong revulsion toward them began in the '60s as I watched Spiro Agnew go around the country spewing hatred, covert racism and lies. Prior to that, I mainly recall just Bob Done on TV grumbling about taxes, and someone had cans of Goldwater soda pop.

They seem to only believe in public control rather than public service, which perfectly suits their minders and donors. Hard to maintain hope in these times, but we must not let them get us down.

Sorry for the rant - I'm relatively new at DU and have a large backlog of venting to do, LOL.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:24 AM

27. In 2004 I met and talked to the man Kerry pulled out of the river in Vietnam ....

.... Kerry took shrapnel in his shoulder, saved the man's life, and had his boat return
fire to the jungle where his boat was taking fire from.

Go ahead rant away.

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Response to Botany (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:51 AM

32. Had to be interesting!

Was his initials "JR" (ref. Wiki)? I see that he actively supported Kerry.

It's been quite an uplifting experience finding DU, although I'm a little late. In only a month or so, I've chatted with a fellow that was an on-the-scene official at the 9/11 recovery operation, with a lady that personally knows an astronaut, and you - with a Kerry connection! Plus, the wit and humor of this bunch is amazing, so I've found my giggle-box again. Vastly helps the stress of retirement, LOL.

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:23 AM

26. And whos fans typically wave confederate flags around...

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Response to Augiedog (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:38 AM

29. K & R n/t

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