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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 11:56 PM Sep 2017

Trump's Madness: A Question.

Today, Trump's tweets about the NFL and his late night tweet that pushes us closer to the brink of war with North Korea brings to mind lawyer Joseph Welch's comment to Senator Joe McCarthy during the televised Senate hearings in the 1950s, that brought McCarthy to his knees and McCarthyism to its death:

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?" 
 
I so wish that someone with the position, the respect and even the admiration of the large majority of people in this country, would say those words to Donald Trump, loudly and publicly. Who might that be? Who might turn this terrible tide?

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1. What would be the point?
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 12:13 AM
Sep 2017

I'm sorry, but I fear you are living in an idealistic dreamworld.

Why don't you propose someone who might fill the role of this person who supposedly possesses the "respect and even the admiration of the large majority of people in this country"?

Let me help you: (1) There is no such person; and (2) even if there were, his or her saying anything like that wouldn't have any effect whatsoever.

Again, dreamworld . . . .

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
14. Mouse, one comment brought down the greatest witchhunt in our history.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:03 AM
Sep 2017

That destroyed, directly or indirectly, hundreds of thousands of lives and created in much of this country, a panic. Salem Witch Trials? A day in the park by comparison.

It was a question offered to spur some ideas.

Perhaps it might be useful to restrain the cynicism and open your mind to some possibilities. Who knows where it might lead?

PS: Any highly respected Republican and Democrat in a joint statement.

And there are a few.

Might the shock of it all change some people's minds?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. I agree. I have yet to see any person of consequence confront him directly on the
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:06 AM
Sep 2017

national stage. I think it would be a defining moment. Of course he wouldn't take it well, but it would certainly reveal much about his character.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
16. Imagine his response.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:21 AM
Sep 2017

He'd go nuts. Which would further validate what was said.

Think about the reaction yesterday and this morning to Trump's attack on the NFL. Sports boards are going wild, and a lot of the comments are anti-Trump.

That paired with Trump's comment late last night about North Korea. The fears of foreign policy experts and our allies are growing.

Might Trump's further escalation of potential war as the days and weeks go by, push someone or more than one, to step forward?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. I certainly hope so. He's a loose cannon and we can't afford to let him continue
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:28 AM
Sep 2017

this way unchallenged. I don't think we have time for Mueller to work his magic. Someone needs to put the brakes on him sooner rather than later.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
2. Mattis, John McCain, McMaster...Dems say it all of the
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 12:49 AM
Sep 2017

time. It has to be someone on his own team to be heard by the Trumpsters. When they want him out, Congress will follow.

brush

(53,771 posts)
7. The joint chiefs can't do it as that might be construed as insubordination...
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:56 AM
Sep 2017

to the commander-in-chief.

Also that would raise the specter of a military coup.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
12. But isn't there a limit, even in the military
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 06:13 AM
Sep 2017

If you're given an illegal order - you can refuse it.

If you are being given orders by an idiot (who is not competent) - at some point don't you all get together and make a statement - perhaps resign? Or go to the republicans in Congress and say this is too much - do something.

brush

(53,771 posts)
13. I hope before he gives the order to say bomb NK that the joint chiefs go to Congress and press...
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 09:40 AM
Sep 2017

for them to use the 25th Amendment.

You're right about that because IMO it's past time to get him out of the WH.

He's now threatening about how the leaders of NK won't be around long now.

I hope somewhere in DC people in Congress are concerned enough to be seriously discussing this — and it has to be, unfortunately for the nation, some republicans since they head all branches of government.

They need to do their duty.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
18. That's a great idea.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:35 AM
Sep 2017

Odds of course are low that it would happen.

But then again, the man who brought down McCarthyism was a lawyer who few knew outside of WDC.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
6. He'd puff himself up to full Mussolini stance and try to bully and bluster his way out of it
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:48 AM
Sep 2017

and the answer is no, he has no sense of decency. Roy Cohn managed to get rid of any last vestige he ever had.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
9. Too many people under 60 don't have a clue who the rotter was
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 03:01 AM
Sep 2017

but I mention him frequently in the (probably vain) hope that people will look him up.

He made DumpsterFire what he is today. Without Cohn, he'd have been a failed businessman and a minor crime figure.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
11. The only way this would happen is if Trump and family felt so threatened that they would flee
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 03:12 AM
Sep 2017

To Moscow. Joe McCarthy has nothing on this crime family. That's rights, Crime Family. That's
how they have been doing business and that's how they expect to continue doing their business.

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