Jimmy Carter on North Korea,

[G_j]

“I would send my top person to Pyongyang immediately, if I didn't go myself,” Mr Carter said.

The former president has visited North Korea three times on diplomatic missions.

He emphasised that North Korea wants assurances that the US will not attack them unprovoked; that any US strike would only be a response to an attack on the the US or an ally.

Mr Carter implied that with Mr Trump in office, that is not a guarantee but that the isolated and mercurial leader Kim Jong-un will need to be engaged directly to broker a peace deal to replace the 1953 agreement that ended the Korean War.

"Until we talk to [North Koreans] and treat them with respect — as human beings, which they are — I don't think we're going to make any progress," he posited.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-jimmy-carter-advice-truth-human-rights-america-oligarchy-comments-a7945006.html

[WhiteTara]

1. The orange one will take your advice Jimmy and

turn it upside down. He'll allow NO ONE to talk with NK.

[G_j]

2. And for Trump to actually show respect

to another human? Not his style.

[They_Live]

35. Correct

He doesn't know how. He has never had to do this.

[kentuck]

3. A wise man would listen to Jimmy Carter.

However, Donald Trump is a lot of things but wise is not one of them.

[cutroot]

4. trump wants a war

He needs it to cover his tracks.

[bdamomma]

29. yea, not to be

smug it would be his "last war" too.

[Calculating]

5. Oh yeah, because diplomacy with Fatboy has worked so well.

Jong is a sadistic depraved lunatic. He has little girls yanked out of school to be his sex slaves according to dissenters. He has the families of dissenters sent to torture camps for three generations, and the people all starve while he spends the entire gdp on weapons to threaten the world. No, I don't think diplomacy with him is a particularly good option.

[Major Nikon]

6. The alternative is much worse

[LanternWaste]

9. It has. It has to date, prevented what it was designed to prevent.

"because diplomacy with Fatboy has worked so well."

It has. It has to date and with other tools, prevented precisely what it was designed to prevent.

[oberliner]

16. No it hasn't

It was supposed to prevent N Korea from becoming a nuclear power capable of reaching the US with said weapons. They are well on their way to that goal.

[not fooled]

44. And when did they resuscitate their nuclear program?

the instant that chimpy gave the incredibly dumbassed "Axis of Evil" speech, written by warmongering RWNJs in the previous maladministration.

Now it's chumpy's turn to threaten NK and Iran. Same shit, different asshole. Gotta have one or more puke wars, don'tcha know.

Oh, and the reason that NK and Iran have pursued nuclear weapons? They saw what happened to non-nuclear Saddam Hussein and Iraq. No deterrent? Your country might well be in the sights of puke presidents as the next target of war.

[oberliner]

47. Obama: "the United States does not, and never will, accept North Korea as a nuclear state"

That was a year ago.

Is that no longer operative?

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Yep, and thankfully there are still people in the State Dept, not for long of course,

who are talking to the idiot in NK so that the idiot in USA doesnt bomb him.

Obama and his state dept did everything humanly possible to slow him down, but there was little they could do other than what they did do.

AT no time was the lunatic in NK going to stop working on getting the bomb, the only way to stop them is thru China.

Now though we have two complete idiots arguing about the size of their dicks, and they both have tiny dicks, so this is gonna go bad.

[calimary]

46. Unfortunately, seems to me that IS what we have here. Nothing but a dick contest.

"Mine's BIGGER!" "Nope. MINE is." "NO, you SOB... yeh FIRED..."

[maddiemom]

45. Just check how many missle tests Un has conducted since Trump's been in office....

versus how many tests in the eight years before. He didn't just get the ability since January 2017.

[hamsterjill]

10. While I understand your sentiment, what is YOUR answer to this situation?

Do you advocate going to war against this lunatic? With our own lunatic at the helm of the US army?

Sometimes, many times in fact, diplomacy involves the lesser of evils.

[Calculating]

11. Sometimes the world needs to stand up to bullies

And unfortunately good people sometimes die in the process. Doesn't mean we should just let the evil people of the world do whatever they want unopposed though. Imagine if nobody had ever tried to stop Hitler because "people would die in the war". Kim is smaller in scale, but every bit as evil. Do we let the cancer grow and get stronger, or do what must be done and cut it out for the overall betterment of the world? I agree that war isn't a perfect option, but what else can we do other than let the sadistic lunatic with the bad haircut terrorize the world for another fifty years?

[hamsterjill]

12. Again, I see your point.

Are you young enough to enlist in the military? If not, do you have siblings or children of age who can enlist, and will you be encouraging them to do so?

I'm not trying to be snarky. My point being simply that this situation is very dangerous and most people aren't willing to sacrifice personally for these goals.

I'll point out also that Hitler didn't have a nuclear weapon at his disposal. This is a bit different in my opinion.

Now, to be fair, what is MY solution? Well, I'd like to envision a stealth Delta Force maneuver, but I doubt that's actually realistic or else it would already have been tried.

[nolabear]

13. How cavalier. Are you willing for your children to be those "good people"?

Yes, he's almost unimaginably evil and he's got a level of power no one with his level of evil should have. It's possible though to both hold firm on not letting him continue this escalation and ask what he wants. Just ask. Doesn't mean he gets it and doesn't mean we're weak. The fear that not just destroying him as a first step is the same as approving and enabling him can get us all killed fast.

[G_j]

17. Would you feel the same if you lived in South Korea?

or Japan? That is a lot of collateral damage! Nevermind that the population of North Korea alone is over 25 million.

[Heartstrings]

21. Exactly!

Too many innocent lives caught in the crossfire of these 2 lunatics....stop baiting NK with stupid tweets and negotiate. Thought "they" elected the best deal making president ever! Pfffft.....

[delisen]

20. So who in world is going to stand up to Trump?

[bronxiteforever]

23. Let's play global thermonuclear war

CHINA and Russia began joint naval drills near North Korea on Monday.

China will not permit American forces to attack NK. China is a major nuclear power and is working in concert with Putin.

By good people dying you mean your family? We do not survive a nuclear war-it is only a question of how long it takes the initial survivors to die.

[Calculating]

31. Would China and Russia really go to war to defend nk?

Would they knowingly start a nuclear war with the USA and doom everyone just to defend their puppet nk? They like to prop up nk just to spite us, but I don't think they would destroy the world over it. If we attacked nk they would probably get all pissy, but not actually pull the trigger on us.

[bronxiteforever]

32. China would be defending its border as it did in the Korean War

Where they forced us to a tie and kicked our ass for a time. We can't knock out NK capacity to kill millions without full scale war on our part and we certainly can't beat the Chinese in a ground war in their front yard.

[roamer65]

37. Yup. The Sino-Russian alliance...aka SCO.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

[Mariana]

27. How nice that you're willing to sacrfice strangers.

BTW, if the Nazis had stayed their asses in Germany, and stuck to terrorizing and murdering Germans, it's unlikely anyone would have bothered trying to stop them.

[ProudLib72]

40. I don't think Dotard is going to be around another 50 years

But, yeah, I agree we should nuke his ass and all the GOP while we are at it.

[not fooled]

43. If going after unfit dictators is our new criterion for fomenting war

then we also need to go after sadistic depraved rulers in Middle East kingdoms. They have heads cut off in public squares. And fund terrorists who have attacked the U.S.

Experts on NK and our history with them--not from RW "foreign policy" stink tanks--agree with Jimmy Carter.

[snort]

7. Sounds like Diplomacy 101.

You don't attack us, we don't attack you.

[C Moon]

8. Trump wants war and uneasiness. It's all he has. He's even a failure as a fraudulent president.

[lark]

14. drumpf is such an idiot, he thinks nuclear war is doable and actually wants it badly!

He's part owner of a company that build nuclear plants, so he wants more built all around the world so he can personally profit. He always puts personal profit above peril to the world, because he just is that stupid, venal and greedy. He's too stupid and lazy to actually find out what really would really happen and probably doesn't want to know because it would spoil his sick ego.

[blueinredohio]

15. There is a diplomat talking

[handmade34]

18. oh for the likes

of Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama... I would even take a Bill Clinton right now... anybody but who we have damn even George the elder would be better

[maddiemom]

22. Even George the Younger would be better, sorry to say, Iraq notwithstanding.

[Martin Eden]

19. Treating them with respect as human beings signals weakness and APPEASEMENT ...

... in the warped rightwing mindset of flag-waving chest-thumping armchair warriors who think Hubris and ignorance are virtues.

[sinkingfeeling]

24. And this folks, is called sanity.

[dae]

28. Amen

[bdamomma]

30. and diplomacy

which trump and ex ceo tillerson do not have.

[Sunlei]

25. Republicans w/any spine should get rid of their president before him & his military complex

snowball USA into WW3.

Way to much slaughtering innocents in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and threatening other countries these past 6 months.

[Corvo Bianco]

33. Thank you Mr. President

[TheBlackAdder]

34. While Carter stresses diplomacy, the subtext is maturity.

[They_Live]

36. Maybe Carter and Obama could go visit Kim.

That would be awesome. I don't think any of Trump's team is up to the task.

[INdemo]

38. Trump is using NK to fuel more suuport from his radical Nazi,Fascist supporters

He gets cheers every time he talks about his fire and fury.
I worked with a national Guardsman that was hoping Trump would attack NK becasue he (a young Trump radical) wanted to go kick ass as he said.

[Oneironaut]

39. I think we can all agree that trading insults on Twitter isn't real diplomacy. It's moronic ego

stroking on both sides. War is not an option, as millions of deaths are not an acceptable outcome. It's better to keep your enemy on a tight leash than ignoring them at your own peril.

[ProudLib72]

41. Who is Dotard's "top person"?

Tillerson sure as hell isn't. So who would it be? Carter's suggestion sounds entirely reasonable until you consider that not a single one of Dotard's people are "top" in any way, shape, or form.

[G_j]

42. yep, nothing there

for sure. What a pitiful and dangerous state of affairs!

[G_j]

48. Kick in reference to today's tweet