"Oh, I see you are buying Drano...ID please"

[The Straight Story]

Illinois to require ID for some cleaner purchases

Buying a bottle of Drano won't be the same in Illinois beginning Sunday.

A new state law requires customers purchasing products containing sodium hydroxide, or lye, and other corrosive chemicals to show a legitimate photo ID and to write their name, address and date of birth. And the store clerk will log the time and date of purchase.

Rather than looking at it as an intrusive measure, Illinois lawmakers said Friday they agree that regulating drain cleaners and other products is needed to protect the public from those who may use them to do harm.

"The fact of the matter is, there are evil people in the world who will abuse the most normal, everyday household products for sinister aims," Rep. Rich Morthland, R-Cordova, said.

http://qctimes.com/news/local/illinois-to-require-id-for-some-cleaner-purchases/article_239ea346-3361-11e1-9a15-0019bb2963f4.html

[valerief]

1. I don't understand. Is this a problem?

Or a way to collect more personal information?

on edit:
I see this in the link.

Rep. Pat Verschoore, D-Milan, co-sponsored the bill as a way to crack down on methamphetamine, saying drain cleaners are among numerous household products used to manufacture the drug.

[eShirl]

3. They're afraid we might make our own soap.

[LiberalAndProud]

8. Lye is used to manufacture meth.

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. So?

Clearly requiring ID for pseudoephedrine purchases hasn't had the hoped-for effect in a) identifying large-scale buyers of OTC drugs and chemicals used to manufacture meth and B) reducing the availability. Why is this new law requiring ID to buy NaOH going to do that?

[eShirl]

14. especially since anyone can make their own lye the way our great great grandparents did

[ProdigalJunkMail]

21. hell, any idiot can make lye by the gallon if they want

just shows how stupid government action can be...

sP

[sendero]

19. All these rules do..

... is push production to Mexico as far as I can tell. Count on the government to do anything possible to aid in moving jobs out of the country

[LiberalAndProud]

25. You'll have no argument from me.

Stupid restrictions for Stupid reasons.

Do you suppose they'll put the pseudoephedrine logs next to the Drano logs and match up names?

[Spider Jerusalem]

51. That would really suck...

for any poor hapless bastard who happens to have bad allergies and a blocked drain..

[Ecumenist]

38. Does this also apply to relaxers that black folks use to straighten our hair?

[izquierdista]

27. So is water.

[TalkingDog]

45. fat and wood ash is used to manufacture lye... are they going to outlaw pig roasts?

...god I hope not.

[Warpy]

23. it's not a problem, not yet

but for those of us who explored bathtub explosives in our misspent youth, it's clearly something aimed at protecting the plutocracy down the line.

[MilesColtrane]

44. Drano pop bottle bombs

This law is probably the result of people calling their state congressmen after this email made the rounds.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/bottlebomb.asp

Sure, Drano could be used to make a bomb, but so can flour and a balloon.

It's an intrusive and heavy handed solution to a tiny problem.

[oldhippydude]

2. ah yes

another Repubican lye... just a caustic sense of humor

[QED]

6. Basically, yes.

[3waygeek]

13. They're just appealing to their base n/t

[jberryhill]

18. OH pH!

[hootinholler]

28. Getting them alkalined up I see.

[oldhippydude]

37. sre you asking me to see red..

or just pink

[lunatica]

26. giggle!

snort!

LOL.

[Angry Dragon]

4. just more small minded government

[cthulu2016]

5. How the fuck will this help anything?

Somebody threw lye in someone's face. Round up everyone in Illinois who bought a product containg lye.

Okay... Then what?

[arcane1]

7. How does this "protect the public"?

One can still buy Drano and use it for "sinister aims", after all.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. but if gvt. tries to stop a corporation from dumping that shit in a river

it's "excessive regulation"

[eShirl]

12. FREEDOM!!!!1

[valerief]

15. Bingo bongo! nt

[cyglet]

30. Corporations can do anything

and we can do nothing.

[MH1]

32. Funny how that works, huh.

[RC]

10. And yet guns, whose purpose is to kill things, are sacrosanct

No body would ever abuse a gun.


I guess the "small government" Republicans are branching out from controlling woman to controlling our drains.
Got it! Then all have holes!

[Little Star]

41. Bingo!!!

[PavePusher]

59. Ummm, apparently you don't know the gun laws in Illinois.

www.handgunlaw.us

Pretty draconian by the standards of the rest of the U.S.... and seems to have fuck-all effect on crime.

[madokie]

16. At this point anything it takes to stop making the manufacturing of meth so easy

I'm all for. It kills people, users and innocent bystanders too when the users go nuts and they almost all do at some point in time. If they happen to be a person who has a propensity to be mean then they'll do some mean ass shit when they do fly off the handle. Speed kills and thats a fact

I don't do the shit and I don't want to share my little part of the world with people who do, simple as that. I'm a very carrying person by nature and I don't like having to deal with someone out of their goards on meth.

[derby378]

20. Careful...

Those are your rights you're offering to bargain away in exchange for an illusion of safety.

[madokie]

34. You don't know meth do you?

[derby378]

36. Since you obviously missed my earlier musings, I'll recap

I have a relative who is hooked on meth. His family has stuck him in rehab several times, but "Jim" always leaves against medical advice. Then he showed up at his grandmother's house trying to borrow money in order to buy more meth. Some would say he tried to shake her down, as he brought a friend with him. It looked like the whole family had washed their hands of him, but they did allow him to come back home to celebrate Christmas. I hope everything went well over the holidays for Jim. He is now living somewhere in Houston.

So please, before you start gambling your rights and freedoms away (as well as mine), stop and think. Those of us who still believe the Democratic Party stand for freedom understand what something like meth can do, but we also know what authoritarian government can do as well.

"The more you tighten your grip, Governor, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." - Princess Leia Organa

[madokie]

43. I've seen meth ruin too many lives to really care if *I* am put out some

so they can get a handle on this scrooge.

[Politicalboi]

49. Alcohol ruins lives too

This is just another reason to take away our freedoms. Stuff like this will be gone one day. And when that day comes we will no longer buy with cash, so every transaction will be followed.

[madokie]

53. World of difference between alcohol and meth

I drank for most of 40 years and I'm fine now that I quit. If I'd been snorting crank, aka meth, this long I'd be in the grave before now. In fact I know no one who lived 40 years doing meth like an alkie does alcohol.

Methinks you want to argue rather than have meaningful discussion.

Stop the manufacturing of pseudo-epridrine in tablet form is all I want them to do. Then I won't have to give up any of my 'freedoms'

[eShirl]

22. Are you for 24/7 100% government surveillance of everyone, too?

Because that night make it less easy to manufacture meth.


If not, where would you draw the line? At what point is it too much?

[madokie]

54. read post #53

thank you
Now have a good year

[TheMadMonk]

17. Oh I see you are buying Draino. Wash hands BEFORE peeing sir...

...or you may regret it. (I know I did.)

[Earth_First]

24. When is nap time, Nanny dearest?

Methinks I could use a nap...

[aikoaiko]

29. In Illinois.... color me surprised.

[GoCubsGo]

33. They're late to the game.

You should try buying the stuff in South Carolina. It takes way more than an ID.

[Speck Tater]

31. Next up: Full body cavity search to buy choclate. nt

[sarcasmo]

57. More like, step on the scale to purchase chocolate. Over x amout of lbs, you don't get chocolate.

[meow2u3]

39. Is Illinois afraid someone will use Liquid Plumr

to relieve their constipation in five minutes or fewer? PUL-LEASE!!!

[Charlemagne]

40. Before I was 21

I was told by a clerk working the night shift that I wasn't allowed to buy Red Bull. She said it was for adults only because it could be mixed with alcohol to make drinks. My response was, "so can ice cubes. this is ridiculous." She then treated me like I was some under-age alcoholic.

Pretty soon we will have to show our papers to buy bread, because ya know, bread can be used to nourish terrorists so that they have the strength to keep on doing evil.


Fuck this. We have handed over all of our liberty so that we feel safer from some phantom that may or may not be out there.

[virgogal]

48. I wonder if that clerk ever heard of Rum and Coke,Scotch and Soda,or Rye and gingerale. Stupid.

[Charlemagne]

50. Yeah she probably

Saw something on 5 oclock news about red bull and vodka and thought she would save a life that night, or something. I finally got pissed and told her that if I were going to get drunk, I would do it without or without the energy drink. Not having the redbull wouldnt make me give up drinking, go to church, and become a pious and patriotic republican. She wasnt too happy about that speech.

Happy New Year!

[virgogal]

63. Just getting around to DU again. How neat----you posted at exactly midnight.

Happy New Year to you also----and stay away from the Red Bull.

[applegrove]

46. I know of one Sri Lankan woman who tried to commit suicide by imbibing something in a hardware

store. She was okay. I think it is common in some parts of the world.

[madrchsod]

47. around here it`s heroin and crushed pills

meth has dropped of the radar.

[Scuba]

52. Next will be a three-day waiting period when purchasing....

... razor blades, bleach, swimming pool products and adhesives.

[The Straight Story]

58. Well that, and background checks - fear, fear, fear

Slowly the people will remove their own rights/freedoms and instead of fighting the government on it they will be the ones urging them to do so.

[GoCubsGo]

62. I don't know about where you live, but...

Razor blades are displayed and dispensed in various "Rube Goldberg" contraptions around here. And, that's in the stores that don't require one to take the card and go to the service desk for the actual razor blades. Not sure why this is. I'm guessing they are high on the shoplifting list. Not surprising, considering the outrageous cost of the damn things.

[MoonRiver]

55. Oh Dear God.

[sarcasmo]

56. Again, politicians can pass bullshit regulations.

[slay]

60. And the march towards a Big Brother society where everyone's actions are monitored continues

to sicken me.

[BootinUp]

61. Its just another use of the fear tool to get votes

and a rather innocuous one really.