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Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:22 PM

Serious question: If Manafort "accidentally" falls on a bullet

How does that affect Mueller's investigation? Remember Denis Voronenkov who had a similar "accident" a couple months ago when he was going to squeal on Manafort? I refuse to put it past them to take out the man himself, and I think this is the reason behind his not having flipped yet. But the question remains, Does Mueller actually need Manafort to give testimony, or would his testimony just expedite the process?

Edit: I'm not trying to promote a conspiracy theory. My concern in asking this is to find out if Mueller really needs Manafort as a live witness. I have no idea what having a live witness versus only documents means in a case like this.


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Reply Serious question: If Manafort "accidentally" falls on a bullet (Original post)
ProudLib72 Sep 2017 OP
Sanity Claws Sep 2017 #1
doc03 Sep 2017 #2
ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #5
Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #3
brooklynite Sep 2017 #4
ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #7
BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #8
ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #11
brooklynite Sep 2017 #9
ProudLib72 Sep 2017 #10
NCjack Sep 2017 #6

Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:25 PM

1. Maybe this is why Mueller seized the documents

The documents can tell a story without Manafort. They can be authenticated through the banks or other sources they lead to.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:26 PM

2. He probably just made the Putin/Trump hit list expect anything. He may accidentally fall

out of a hotel window, get poisoned or get run over by a truck.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:42 PM

5. He hasn't flipped yet, so maybe he is still safe?

Is he just stalling the inevitable? I like to think there is more to it than that, like there are some blank spots in the story line that Mueller needs filling in.

Yes, I realize this is speculative. My original intent for this post was to ask if having him as a live witness was essential to proving Mueller's case. If he isn't alive, then are those documents circumstantial?

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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:31 PM

3. Manafort could testify that Trump is a traitor and has participated in

murdering children in the Ukraine and he would still have 50 million rabid supporters.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:41 PM

4. Trashing...conspiracy theory

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:46 PM

7. Not conspiracy theory

I want to know if Mueller needs him alive to give testimony in order to finish his case. If Manafort is the linchpin, can cases be brought against tRump, Pence, etc solely on the basis of existing documents.

I might as well have said, "If Manafort flees to another country". The circumstances don't matter. I only want to know how much weight his testimony has, how necessary it is.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:02 PM

8. Can 45 pardon him too? The guys arrested in Watergate weren't pardoned but 45

isn't Nixon either...he is even crazier and worse in so many areas and on so many issues (personal dirty financing/income, mob connections, treason, nepotism, ethics, etc.). The Watergate criminals and major players served some time in jail...not nearly enough considering the magnitude and extent of their crimes. Will Manafort allow himself to go there out of duty to the fake prez? Where does his loyalty end and saving his own ass start?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:42 PM

11. Mueller is pressuring him for sure

And this excitement over the possibility of indictment has everyone on edge. Still, does it mean that Mueller needs Manafort's testimony badly, or is he trying to put the screws to everyone else who will potentially need to testify?

What you've said raises another issue. Is he really concerned with tRump at this point? I mean, we have tapes of Manafort and Pence, too. Maybe he is trying to save dozens of others and tRump could be expendable to keep more important people in power.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:08 PM

9. Conspiracy theory..."I refuse to put it past them to take out the man himsel"

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 04:33 PM

10. Whatever

Go ahead and ignore my intent.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Original post)

Tue Sep 19, 2017, 03:45 PM

6. Trump could sellout Putin as the leader of a world crime family. nt

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