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TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:40 PM Sep 2017

OK, every day I am asked to serve on a jury about:

The last Democratic primary. Every day. I have been participating but wonder how long we are going to spend time on this??

I am a big fan of realizing that you cannot go back and change what happened, so it is best to move forward.

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OK, every day I am asked to serve on a jury about: (Original Post) TNNurse Sep 2017 OP
Same here. It's tiresome. femmocrat Sep 2017 #1
The Trash Can feature is your friend sagesnow Sep 2017 #21
Thank you ! left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #45
Oh god, me too. It is so tiresome. Shrike47 Sep 2017 #2
I'm not sure that is true anymore Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #36
I agree. padfun Sep 2017 #43
I suspect that it's more Russian interference renate Sep 2017 #67
Is it Russian interference in every other country on earth? Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #68
Cultists on both sides just can't let it go Warpy Sep 2017 #3
Oh noes... not the "both sides" equivocation. nt procon Sep 2017 #10
I see it but it does look worse on one side Warpy Sep 2017 #12
Same here. Every dang day. I guess it will continue until DU is pulled apart. NCjack Sep 2017 #4
Me 2 MFM008 Sep 2017 #5
I love your note.....Me 2...guess what?...every day..Me 2 Stuart G Sep 2017 #29
If we all opt out, will something happen to stop it??? TNNurse Sep 2017 #6
And people wonder why the South won't let go of the Civil War. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #7
ALERTED! Meta and arguing about the last primary! berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #8
I like the graphic in your sig line... PoiBoy Sep 2017 #22
Of course, I borrowed it from someone else here. berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #24
Well then... PoiBoy Sep 2017 #27
Apparently until the next one. nt joet67 Sep 2017 #9
Same Here Leith Sep 2017 #11
And have any "refighting primary" OPs been removed? A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2017 #13
most of the one's I have seen are not re-fighting the primary...now it is about Hillary's book Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #64
Just say no. Walk away. Peaceful. Choose peace.😘 7wo7rees Sep 2017 #14
'At's what I do. trof Sep 2017 #15
There you go. 🤗 7wo7rees Sep 2017 #19
Actually DownriverDem Sep 2017 #16
I appreciate your point. TNNurse Sep 2017 #23
We aren't doing that Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #41
What really gets to me is that if I open another instance of DU and look at all the posts Stonepounder Sep 2017 #17
it's all part of the circular firing squad crew here on DU. Javaman Sep 2017 #18
If we would just follow the rules about not attacking democrats I think we'd be fine. moda253 Sep 2017 #20
No, that is the problem. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2017 #42
just start voting to hide. If everyone had every postprimary comment hidden, then it would stop. JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #25
That's What I Do Leith Sep 2017 #28
That's you're problem. If it's a post primary squablle... HIDE. No thought given. JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #31
No thought given? That's your advice? Demit Sep 2017 #52
you weren't here pre-primary. Justice Sep 2017 #37
Are you claiming I don't see any arguments refighting the primaries? they're evywhere. now. JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #38
I stated. I claimed nothing. Justice Sep 2017 #40
I wish that they would reopen GDP Crunchy Frog Sep 2017 #26
That's a great idea, CF. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #32
I find GD just overly bloated with everything from cartoons to Russia to everyday stuff. Too broad Justice Sep 2017 #39
Yes, me too, and thanks for giving me a chance to point out.... LisaM Sep 2017 #30
Then DU should stop the frivolous alerts. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #33
I think it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #34
We must be on the same juries get the red out Sep 2017 #35
ditto! juxtaposed Sep 2017 #44
Boris & Natasha love it when the Moose and Squirrel fight! n/t. Whiskeytide Sep 2017 #46
Well said OldHippieChick Sep 2017 #51
Threads about analysizing GE are not about the Primary. Nor is discussing current events. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #47
Like a dog gnawing on a bone ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #48
"just leave", a standard thought terminating cliche. That's kind of sad. ck4829 Sep 2017 #50
K&R ck4829 Sep 2017 #49
Same thing - sometimes twice a day.... alittlelark Sep 2017 #53
I see a certain obsession with the political process itself. ZX86 Sep 2017 #54
Give it a few weeks. Hillary's book has just come out. Surely we want to applegrove Sep 2017 #55
What is the best way to "move forward"? kentuck Sep 2017 #56
Hillary and Bernie stay in the news treestar Sep 2017 #57
Me too...and most of the time...it is an alert that really has nothing to do with the primary. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #58
I vote to hide every single one of them. yardwork Sep 2017 #59
I look at the posts and use the rules...many are discussing the 16 general or the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #61
Where did I say that I don't follow the TOS? yardwork Sep 2017 #62
I know because I serve on juries too that not all of them are related to the primary and unless they Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63
Please reread the OP and then reread my response. yardwork Sep 2017 #65
I saw your response that you follow TOS...I accept that. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #66
Yes, unfortunately too many DUers are using "current events" or other Democratic primaries as proxy aikoaiko Sep 2017 #60

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
1. Same here. It's tiresome.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:43 PM
Sep 2017

Sometimes I don't feel like reading through all the bickering, so I just opt out.

Like Elsa said, "Let it go" already! 2016 is not coming back for a re-do.

sagesnow

(2,823 posts)
21. The Trash Can feature is your friend
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:50 PM
Sep 2017

If you don't want to see Bernie or Hillary threads, go to My Account and open the Trash can thread. Then put in all variations of Bernie, Hlllary, BERNIE, CLINTON, and all possible variations in the entry fields. Also put in Bernie, or Hillary with the comma after it or some posts will get through. Blocking these repetitive posts saves a lot of needless irritation.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
36. I'm not sure that is true anymore
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:16 PM
Sep 2017

There is a schism here and it's growing. The Republicans have their own too. Our stupid political dichotomy is breaking down.

renate

(13,776 posts)
67. I suspect that it's more Russian interference
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 01:25 PM
Sep 2017

It probably was at the time, and it's probably still true, IMHO.

Whose purposes does it suit for Democrats to be fighting amongst themselves, this long after an election?

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
68. Is it Russian interference in every other country on earth?
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 07:11 PM
Sep 2017

Most Western countries have explicit political spectrums from with a communist party on one end and an ethno-nationalist fascist party on the other with half a dozen or more in-between.

The coalition within approach in the United States has been slowly eroding since the mid-sixties, but we're at the point now that Democrats and Republicans alike are willing to attack the character of legitimacy of their fellow Democrats and Republicans.

That is what terrifies me about 2020, since I am pretty sure our primaries will consist of Booker supporters accusing Gillibrand supporters of being white nationalists, Gillibrand supporters accusing Booker supporters of being misogynists and "Booker Bros" as all the while the leftists accuse both of them of being Mitt Romney.

It is going to be awesome.

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
3. Cultists on both sides just can't let it go
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:45 PM
Sep 2017

and it's annoying as hell, especially when you know damned full well it's something picked up from trolls on Farcebook and Twitter. If it's not a cherrypicked sentence from Clinton's book, it's something Sanders said, taken out of context.

I'm as sick of it as you are. I trash threads but then they pop up as jury requests.

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
12. I see it but it does look worse on one side
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:26 PM
Sep 2017

especially over the last week with dueling cherrypicked quotes.

I'm sick of this shit. Neither are plaster saints and neither are saviors.

Knock it off, already.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
4. Same here. Every dang day. I guess it will continue until DU is pulled apart.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 01:53 PM
Sep 2017

DEMs have two critical elections coming up. Folks, it's past the time to focus on the future.

Stuart G

(38,359 posts)
29. I love your note.....Me 2...guess what?...every day..Me 2
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:04 PM
Sep 2017

and you are correct..........It's boring.........................thank you...

Stuart

Leith

(7,802 posts)
11. Same Here
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 02:22 PM
Sep 2017

I won't even open most of them. I might read a couple posts, then shut it down in disgust.

The reason we here in this thread are getting jury requests is because we refuse to post in those threads. It's nice to see which other posters are sick of the divisive bickering.

TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
23. I appreciate your point.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:51 PM
Sep 2017

Is there really anything to learn? We know there were many many factors. I have not seen any new information in a very long time.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
41. We aren't doing that
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:19 PM
Sep 2017

One side is insisting their eccentric candidate would have won and the other side is accusing them of misogyny among other things.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
17. What really gets to me is that if I open another instance of DU and look at all the posts
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:38 PM
Sep 2017

there is all this back and forth that gets pretty nasty, and then 30-40 replies down someone says something that is pretty take compared to the posts above and that's the one that gets alerted. Go figure.

Javaman

(62,439 posts)
18. it's all part of the circular firing squad crew here on DU.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:41 PM
Sep 2017

the past sucks, but it's the past and it's time to look ahead and unfuck this situation, but alas, some people think that by picking at the scab it won't leave a scar.

 

moda253

(615 posts)
20. If we would just follow the rules about not attacking democrats I think we'd be fine.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:45 PM
Sep 2017

But we have to make special rules for people that aren't democrats so things get sticky.

Make the rules simple and enforce them.

Independents are not democrats. By definition.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,153 posts)
42. No, that is the problem.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:21 PM
Sep 2017

the rule about not attacking Democrats is being used to justify attacking someone who is a DIABN (Democrat in all but name), even though it is verboten to do the same to even those few DINOs that vote with Republicans.

That's where it gets "sticky".

The rules SHOULD be changed to include Bernie Sanders, who votes with Democrats, shares their values, and runs as a Democrat. But I fear that would be met with fire, fury the likes of which has never seen before on DU. But it would solve a lot of the stickiness.

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
38. Are you claiming I don't see any arguments refighting the primaries? they're evywhere. now.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:18 PM
Sep 2017

it's quite annoying, not unifying, and counterproductive.

just because I wasn't posting doesn't mean I haven't been reading. I've been reading DU for a long long time. Used to have an account like forever ago. during the bush years when the format of DU was quite different.

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
26. I wish that they would reopen GDP
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 03:58 PM
Sep 2017

And keep those threads segregated from the rest of DU.

I've mostly not been engaging here at all lately, as it feels so toxic.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
32. That's a great idea, CF.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:06 PM
Sep 2017

Create a section for Hillary haters and Bernie haters to post all they want. As long as we don't have to read it.

Justice

(7,182 posts)
39. I find GD just overly bloated with everything from cartoons to Russia to everyday stuff. Too broad
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:18 PM
Sep 2017

Items fall off page 1 and then someone posts same items. Tiresome.

LisaM

(27,758 posts)
30. Yes, me too, and thanks for giving me a chance to point out....
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:04 PM
Sep 2017

TALKING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON is not re-fighting the primaries.

In fact, talking about her campaign in the GE is post-primary anyway, so I don't know why this is happening. A lot of us are inspired by Hillary Clinton and it should be perfectly acceptable to 1) discuss that; and 2) talk about forces in the GE (including the level of enthusiasm her primary rivals brought to the table) that worked against her victory.

Talking about voter suppression in the GE is not "re-fighting the primary".

Talking about Russian interference in the GE is not "re-fighting the primary".

Talking about Facebook bots unleashed during the GE is not "re-fighting the primary".

Talking about media collusion with normalizing Trump in the GE is not "re-fighting the primary".

I've seen a lot of bitterness at DU over the years, but this beats all and I don't know if there are trolls stirring up the pot or if it's people who simply cannot endure the fact that Hillary was our candidate, but I think she would have been an absolutely stellar president and I'm perfectly willing to take on people who don't agree, and that doesn't mean I'm re-fighting the primary, so people just need to quit alerting.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
34. I think it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:13 PM
Sep 2017

To avoid offending any one person I am considering just deleting Facebook entirely. It is worse still there.

We're going to be re-fighting the 2016 primaries and variations on Trumpism for a generation to come, it is going to suck.

My fear for 2018 and 2020 is that our campaigns will get bogged down in score settling and grudges. Even at the State level in California I see Bernie and Hillary supporters being ostracized in certain corners because of hurt feelings over 2016.

get the red out

(13,459 posts)
35. We must be on the same juries
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:14 PM
Sep 2017

I won't even CLICK on a primary re-hash thread, let alone post.

I am a YELLOW DOG DEMOCRAT. And I hate the Republican Party, not ours.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
47. Threads about analysizing GE are not about the Primary. Nor is discussing current events.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:33 PM
Sep 2017

Primary.

I get called to jury on these threads to that have been alerted on as 'refighting the primary'

Some threads are refighting the primary, some aren't.

I think lots of stuff probably gets alerted as "refighting the primary" where the alterer may have genuinely misunderstood the topic.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
48. Like a dog gnawing on a bone ...
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 04:36 PM
Sep 2017

... some just won't let go of 2016.

I think it was yesterday when I posted I was tired of these daily attacks,
and one response told me that I should leave DU.

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
54. I see a certain obsession with the political process itself.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 11:52 PM
Sep 2017

Some here are absolutely outraged that their favorite candidate(s) will have to face challengers from within the party, competitors from opposition and third parties, and criticism from celebrity activists. This is part of the process. It's a given when you run for office there will be people who disagree with you and be very vocal about it.

The proper response to these situations are issue based reasons why our ideas and policy goals are better for the American public. Responses like, "He's not even a Democrat" and "She helped Trump get elected" will not inspire votes for Democrats. Average Americans have real world concerns like the cost of health care, student loan debt, and stagnant wages. I never hear people in the real world tell me their top concern is the level of party loyalty of any particular candidate or who some washed up celebrity voted for in the last election.

applegrove

(118,011 posts)
55. Give it a few weeks. Hillary's book has just come out. Surely we want to
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:14 AM
Sep 2017

hash it out for a month. Then we will not have an open wound as a wedge within ourselves come 2018.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
57. Hillary and Bernie stay in the news
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:28 AM
Sep 2017

so it is not entirely about the last primary.

It's still a fear that it could affect future elections. The concept is still there, let's primary this or that Democrat or going on against potential future Democratic presidential candidates already on grounds of not pure enough.

The Russians haven't stopped and stepped aside. They are going to be keep supporting these types of attitudes.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
59. I vote to hide every single one of them.
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 10:21 AM
Sep 2017

The board is being overtaken again by trolls and know-nothings whose intent is to disrupt. It's a game for them.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
61. I look at the posts and use the rules...many are discussing the 16 general or the
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 10:56 AM
Sep 2017

18/20 elections...every time you serve on a jury, you agree to follow TOS. I take this responsibility seriously and will hide posts even ones I agree with if it violates the rules. I believe if folks are not willing to do that, they should not agree to sit on juries.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
62. Where did I say that I don't follow the TOS?
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:02 AM
Sep 2017

The OP is about refighting the primary. Posts about GE and current events are fine.

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
63. I know because I serve on juries too that not all of them are related to the primary and unless they
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 11:07 AM
Sep 2017

are...one can't vote for a hide if that is a criteria....you said you vote to hide all of them? I try to be completely impartial and play fair. I am not saying you do. It was the 'hide all' that caught my attention.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
60. Yes, unfortunately too many DUers are using "current events" or other Democratic primaries as proxy
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 10:49 AM
Sep 2017

...2016 primary battles. Virtually any topic can become a proxy battle.

I think a lot of folks with resentments are actually resisting the continuation of the primary wars but it's easy to succumb to to fire back when poked. At least that's my problem.
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