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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:56 PM Dec 2011

No [US] citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA

From the ACLU's statement on the signing of the NDAA.

"“We are incredibly disappointed that President Obama signed this new law even though his administration had already claimed overly broad detention authority in court,” said Romero. “Any hope that the Obama administration would roll back the constitutional excesses of George Bush in the war on terror was extinguished today. Thankfully, we have three branches of government, and the final word belongs to the Supreme Court, which has yet to rule on the scope of detention authority. But Congress and the president also have a role to play in cleaning up the mess they have created because no American citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA’s detention authority.”"

http://ggdrafts.blogspot.com/2011/12/aclu-statement-on-obamas-signing-of.html

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No [US] citizen or anyone else should live in fear of this or any future president misusing the NDAA (Original Post) Luminous Animal Dec 2011 OP
On to the SC. The FFs sure were right when they said we would have to be forever vigilant sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #1
What is the Gov so afraid of? got root Dec 2011 #2
Well, ProSense Dec 2011 #3
Oh those silly ACLU people. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #4
Right. Just who do they think they ARE, anyway? bread_and_roses Dec 2011 #6
Hey ProSense Dec 2011 #9
Actually, I am deeply conflicted about Citizens United. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #12
We voted for repeal not reinforcement orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #5
You ProSense Dec 2011 #11
You got me , but they have him on Healthcare ,Tax , Defense ,Education orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #14
what you call 'symbolic' magical thyme Dec 2011 #15
I'm ashamed of Schumer and Gillibrand ,and orpupilofnature57 Dec 2011 #18
I love having my freedom entrusted to one man or woman's good intentions. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #7
It seems you didn't read the signing statement. Warren Stupidity Dec 2011 #17
Ha-Ha-Ha! "the final word belongs to the Supreme Court" BeHereNow Dec 2011 #8
"Cleaning up the mess" means ending the war bhikkhu Dec 2011 #10
It would mean ending the War on Terror. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #13
"Thankfully, we have three branches of government, and the final word belongs to the Supreme Court" no_hypocrisy Dec 2011 #16
Future presidents, after detaining people forever w/o charge: Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #19
Occupy. woo me with science Dec 2011 #20

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
1. On to the SC. The FFs sure were right when they said we would have to be forever vigilant
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:59 PM
Dec 2011

if we were to maintain our freedoms.

A very sad day for America.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. Well,
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:02 PM
Dec 2011

"this or any future president misusing the NDAA’s detention authority.”"

...this administration declared its intent not to misuse it, and future administrations are going to be subject to any interpretation by the courts and any changes made by Congress, such as the current bill supported by Feinstein and others.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=95933

bread_and_roses

(6,335 posts)
6. Right. Just who do they think they ARE, anyway?
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:14 PM
Dec 2011

after all, this administration "declared" it's intent "not to misuse it." What more could anyone POSSIBLY want?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. You
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:21 PM
Dec 2011

"We voted for repeal not reinforcement"

...voted for every Senator who sent this bill to the President. He did his part, and rejected the interpretation of existing law claimed by some. Maybe now everyone can stop pretending that a symbolic veto would have had any impact on legislation passed with more than 80 votes in the Senate.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
14. You got me , but they have him on Healthcare ,Tax , Defense ,Education
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:39 PM
Dec 2011

A symbol would bolster the weak knee of his own party and expose the misanthropes that obstruct him and US non stop.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
15. what you call 'symbolic'
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:41 PM
Dec 2011

some call 'principled.'

you know, doing what is right as opposed to doing what is convenient. And for the record, I didn't vote for the senators that passed it. I vote against Maine's twins every chance I get.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. I love having my freedom entrusted to one man or woman's good intentions.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:15 PM
Dec 2011

Did those OWS protesters get released from the LA jail yet btw, and have they been charged? It's been weeks and the last time I called the City Council, they had 'no information' on the charges.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
17. It seems you didn't read the signing statement.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:43 PM
Dec 2011

Obamas quarrel with this odious legislation is the restrictions it puts on the executive branch not the fact that it shreds the bill of rights. He doesn't think congress should have any say in rendering, dent ions without trial, assassinations etc.

bhikkhu

(10,736 posts)
10. "Cleaning up the mess" means ending the war
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:20 PM
Dec 2011

...as any broad detention authority there is comes from the AUMF, the original war authorization in 2001.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. It would mean ending the War on Terror.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:24 PM
Dec 2011

We are at war everywhere. And we are in a permanent 'state of emergency' last time I looked at that, when it came up for review a few years ago. So, ending one of our wars on 'terror' won't restore any of our Constitutional Rights, and this bill only demonstrates that someone, whoever added these clauses, wants to make sure we don't forget how many freedoms we no longer have.

no_hypocrisy

(46,974 posts)
16. "Thankfully, we have three branches of government, and the final word belongs to the Supreme Court"
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:41 PM
Dec 2011

Famous last words. Mr. Korematsu had similar illusions.

http://www.infoplease.com/us/supreme-court/cases/ar18.html

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
19. Future presidents, after detaining people forever w/o charge:
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 07:02 PM
Dec 2011

'What's the big deal? Even the liberal Obama signed the 2011 defense bill.'

@attackerman via twitter.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
20. Occupy.
Sat Dec 31, 2011, 07:06 PM
Dec 2011

It has never been more important.

Reform the system. Get the damned money out of politics so we can elect someone who values the Constitution and represents the people.

This is deadly, deadly serious. We are losing our country.

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