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Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:29 PM

Two letters to the Editor today in my rural Indiana paper. This is real.

"To the Editor;

It amazes me to the length people, especially women, will go to make every thing President Trump does, or does not do, namely what one woman wrote on the Internet, saying" All these things happening with the weather, Hurricanes, fires & earth quakes are happening because President Trump was elected President." The truth is," in my estimation, that Donald Trump is President, because he is who God wanted in as President of the United States." If you know the Bible, you will see and know that God becomes angry when people decide they do not Need God in their lives, and try to rip Him out of everyones lives too. He is angry with those who are trying to destroy this Country and He is showing that He is God and is in control of everything, that includes hurricanes, fires, earthquakes and tornados and floods. e.g.: The flood in the time of Noah.
Those of us, who now the elderly, remember the classes in History, and Government, also Bible History. We grew up knowing what our Country stands for, what we fought for, that we only entered the War's after we were attacked. We grew up knowing about God and His love for us, and His wanting us to live up to the laws he gave to us to live by. Jude 1: 1-25.
Like Satan, some have become proud, and like Satan did, and declared that He would be like God, Because of that, Lucifer (Satan) was cast out of heaven, he had been the head Angel and when he was cast out of Heaven, he took 1/3 of the angels with him. The battle between good & evil continues today, and will until Jesus returns to earth again.
We who are committed to Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior must continue to pray and intercede for President Trump and all those who work with President Trump to make America Great Again, and pray that the eyes of all will be opened to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and what He did for us by His Death on the Cross and His Resurrection from the dead. Continue to hold up the hands of those who are in the front of the battle.

(Name Removed)"

"Editor,

As I walk around in the community and see the people, tears well up in my eyes. I become very emotional. I do so because I see my people, the white people, being brainwashed and led like sheep to the slaughter. What has ever happened to concern for our own? Where has unity among our own people been carted off to? I see the white man caring more for those of other races than they do their own. How can this be? He who does not care for his own household is an infidel and a traitor the Bible tells us. Would that not also apply to your own race? The black man can stick up for his people, the Hispanic can stick up for his people, the Native American can care for his people, the Asian can keep his people non-inclusive, yet when the white man does so, he becomes a racist. Why is that? Why cannot the white man love his own just like the other races love their own? Isn't that what groups like KKK, Neo-Nazis and others are trying to do- LOVE their own? Yet it is the white man who judges thesepro-white groups with anger and resentment. Why? How can that be? Why was it not that way 30 decades ago/a century ago? Well, there is an agenda to destroy the white civilization. It is being done through guilt and shame (which the white man shouldn't have anyway), and it is being done through the dangerous diversity/multi-cultural agenda. And it is being done for one main reason: if you can eradicate white culture, guess what, you can eradicate Christianity! That is the ultimate goal after all: to destroy Christ/Christ-ianity. I do not advocate violence and hate, but I do advocate for white people to put their own first. This starts in the household and spreads into the community. We must stand for our people and our God! So, enough political correctness already! To each, his own. I love that I am Caucasian and I love the Caucasian people, Does that make me racist? Really? I believe those who reject their own kind in favor of another kind to be the true racists! You may deny your own flesh, but that also means denying the flesh of your ancestors, your parents, your wives/husbands, and even your children! SAD, SO SAD! Love your own, because the others sure do love their own (and that's OK). God created you and the races. He created you to be distinct, to be separate. Do you really think that He created the different races so that one day that could all merge into one race? Thank you for your time and heart felt thoughts about this. This is not to disparage any one people but to cause the brain washed white man to think and love his own.

Sincerely,
(Name Removed)"

This is real. This is what progressives are dealing with with a large faction of rural America.
These people cannot be reached. Logic does not work. Self interest does not work.
When you come to an intractable object, go around it.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:34 PM

1. The first deplorable is a fake Christian.

Only fake Christians ignore the fact that Dump is serial adulterer and liar.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:42 PM

3. Some of these people will give you their last dollar if they think you need it.

I knew a lot of them in NC.

They've been failed by schools that didn't think country bumpkins needed to do anything but read signs, sign their names, and do some simple arithmetic and by a major media that was sold to the highest bidders 40 years ago and 30 years ago no longer had to make even a pretense of telling people the truth. The churches are often the only places they feel like they might be worth something, and most of those churches are crooked business enterprises.

That's what makes me so damned angry about what has happened to this country in the past 45 years. Everything but a few rich men has been shortchanged while those rich men have seized control of the one thing that could have told people what was happening to them: a free press.

Until we get that back, these people will be lost. When all you hear 24/7/365 is bullshit propaganda and distorted, hateful religious crap, that's what you start to believe. It's been proven in place after place (Germany, Bosnia, Rwanda) and it is being proven again right here.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:53 PM

6. Question....they would give the shirt off their back to a person of color or LGBTQ?

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Response to MLAA (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:58 PM

8. Yes.

Look at what happened in Houston after Harvey came through. The same thing is happening in Florida. Color becomes unimportant when the problems become enormous.

However, thanks for missing the point so nicely.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:39 PM

15. If color/LGTBQ/equality had been important to more people during the election we wouldn't have Trump

My family history is southern evangelical. They too would probably help anyone that knocked on the door hungry (after discussing pulling yourself up from bootstraps.). But they certainly didn't vote for the candidate that would protect and help all Americans.

So in my opinion Trump voters (including my family) might give you the shirt off their back but they sure didn't have any problem with a man who bragged about sexually assaulting women and stirring hate crimes and taking away health insurance from 20 million or so.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:56 PM

115. I'm in Florida and most people are acting like assholes.

Cutting you off, honking their horns, yelling at each other.

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Response to kerry-is-my-prez (Reply #115)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:07 PM

116. That's really weird

because it's no steamier or right wing than southeast Texas. To be truthful, though, I've always found Florida a little like that. I've always chalked it up to being in a rush to get back into the air conditioning at home. That's not the case now.

I'm sorry you're having to deal with that level of assholery. I hope it's over soon.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #116)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:37 PM

121. It's normal here to not let people in and cut people off

It's just gotten worse.

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Response to kerry-is-my-prez (Reply #121)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:47 PM

122. Thanks for making me even more glad I didn't move there after my parents died

and letting me know why people looked at me like my space helmet was on backwards when I'd let them in to a line of traffic.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #122)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:56 PM

123. Yep - it's a miracle when someone does that. I try to

Let people in and be kind to people I know are probably being treated like crap. Rich white people in mercedes I cut off with my old beat up Mercedes.

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Response to MLAA (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:37 PM

14. Yes, they would. They might feel superior to the person of color and they

would probably pray for the lgbt, but they wouldn't withhold aid. It would take some mental gymnastics on their part, but they would do it.

Most of the "deplorables" are not bad people, but are the product of generations of conditioning.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:32 AM

53. And sorry to say, what they're fed from some of the pulpits

and tele-religion.

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Response to MLAA (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:18 AM

43. The funny thing is that the answer to your question is probably "yes".

A while back in Cincinnati there was the story about a couple of teens who say a car skid on the ice, lose control, and end up almost roof deep in a creek. They didn't stop, one jumped in, waded out to the car and held the driver's head up, while his friend ran to call 911. They stayed with the driver, holding the driver's head out of the water until rescue arrived. Both were treated for hypothermia. When local news tried to interview them, they declined and explained 'that's just what you do'. They didn't stop to ask the driver's religion, they didn't check to see if the driver was white or black, gay or straight, Christian or Muslim. They just did 'what was right'.

Several years ago, my daughter and her husband were involved in a car accident along with their two young children. It happened just a few miles from us and they called us to come to the scene. Nobody was really injured, but their car was totaled. Zack, the older boy (at about 5 or 6) was just fine. but Hannah (at about 3) was somewhat traumatized. It was decided to take Hannah to the hospital, just to be on the safe side. So, off go Mommy, Daddy, and Hannah in the ambulance, while Zack stayed with us to wait for the tow truck. When the truck arrived the driver looked like something out of Deliverance. Couple days growth of beard, snaggle toothed, greasy long hair, about 45-50 years old. He immediately twigged to the fact that Zack was trying to put up a brave front but was really pretty shook. So this old caricature of a Kentucky Hillbilly, started talking to Zack and asking for his 'help' getting their car up on the tow truck. This included working the levers. Know what Zack remembers now about the accident? Yeah, helping the tow truck driver. And that driver never once asked if we were Christians, or if we were Repubs or Dems.

So, yeah, people can be prejudiced against anyone not part of their 'group', but at the same time an individual that belongs to one of 'those groups' is in trouble, many of them rush in to help. It is very strange.

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #43)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 01:24 AM

49. So glad your family got through the accident.

Maybe when there is an emergency and no time to think peoples' better angels come through but when they have to wait in line to vote between vile and decent their better angels get bored and wander off 😀

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:44 PM

97. So, bad public schools and only one TV channel? #sad #notcredible

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:47 PM

98. That's one of the problems: the belief that private charity should be all the help

any citizen should get, should need, and should deserve.

I believe Dickens had a few words to say about this attitude.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #98)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:50 PM

99. What has that got to do with anything?

This post is off on a wild tangent.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #99)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:55 PM

101. You mentioned their personal generosity. How is my post tangential?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #101)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:11 PM

106. So of course you launched yourself on a tangent about public policy

One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

It's called putting the wrong words into someone else's mouth. Are you surprised when other people object to it?

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:32 PM

13. If the first is not a Christian

then what would you say he or she is?

That letter reads like the writer has genuine Christian faith. Plenty of Christians believe Trump has repented his adultery and other sins, and has been forgiven, and also don't believe he's a liar. That makes them stupid, but it doesn't make them non-Christians.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:53 PM

18. Well, as an Orthodox

I would say that their christ sure does not sound like mine. Their religion came much later than mine. One could argue it is not the same god they worship as the Coptic, Orthodox, or Catholic rites.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:06 PM

22. Interesting.

Does the Orthodox Church teach that members of all other denominations are non-Christian, or just some of them? Is there a list?

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Response to Mariana (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:14 PM

26. Not uncommon throughout various religions, even within some denominations of the same religion

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Response to Mariana (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:40 PM

36. Well...

There is no salvation outside the Church is a common saying among those in full communion.

If your church has no Apostolic tradition to Peter, then I suppose you would be on the list. However you would probably want a more informed opinion than mine, but at face value, I would say yes, there is a list and Protestants aren't on it.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #36)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:17 AM

56. So, the letter writer is a fake Christian.

And, the Protestants who are appalled by Trump's adultery and lies are also fake Christians.

I'm no Christian, Protestant or otherwise, but I find the differences between the various sects fascinating. Thank you for answering my questions.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #56)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:17 AM

68. I really could not say

However, if you accept that Catholicism (Orthodox, Coptic, etc) was the original form of Christianity, and the Vulgate the original Bible, I think it is fair to say that at some point the "newer" religions are so adulterated from the original form, they may not be Christian any longer.

For example, Jehovah's say Jesus was really Michael the Archangel and Mormons say the God of Abraham is a flesh and blood man living on another planet. Are these beliefs still Christian?

Can a non-trinitarian church be considered Christian?

I don't know. I guess it depends on how tightly or loosely you define Christianity.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #68)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:01 PM

102. Aside: Mormonism is rejected as "Christian" by all mainstream churches, for it teaches that men

(literally) can become gods. Moreover, MSC does not acknowledge "books" outside the Bible.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #102)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:19 PM

113. My personal belief is

Christianity ends before Calvinsim. Predestination was not something Christ taught. In my thinking, what is the point of testing Abraham if salvation is predetermined? Edit:. I guess double predestination as taught by Calvin


Of course that predates Christ but goes directly down to King David and then down to Jesus. To me, predestination makes a lot of old testament stories irrelevant and almost all of the Gospels.



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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #113)

Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:20 AM

124. ITA.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:30 AM

52. No, our Faith does not.

One of our 'theologians' posits:
"We know where the Orthodox Church is, but do not know where it is not."

Christian 'denominational' traditions of faith have such very differences between them.

Our Faith doesn't get 'modernized' with newer
features when a whim beckons.

This may be a 'hard thing to hear', but if you are called to embrace Eastern Orthodoxy, it makes sense.

Peace be unto you and yours,
~sprink

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Response to Mariana (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:29 PM

32. There is nothing whasoever christian about that person.

Zero, nada.. just living a fantastical delusional life.

In fact, not even alive, but dead already.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:45 AM

63. If they think he has repented

even so, he would not be fit to be President.

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Response to treestar (Reply #63)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:23 AM

72. Clearly, a lot of Christians don't agree with you.

That's why so many of them voted for him, and would do it again enthusiastically, if given the chance.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #72)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:02 PM

103. There is a distinction being made here between professed and lived.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #103)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:27 PM

119. It sounds to me like you are saying

that repentant and forgiven sinners aren't fit to be President. If they're not fit, who is?

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Response to Mariana (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:53 PM

100. It makes them non-Christians for ignoring the Beatitudes. Yes, "cast the first stone" and

all that.

BUT EXPLAIN HOW THEIR CHRISTIANITY NEVER SEEMS TO EXTEND TO DEMOCRATIC POLITICIANS????

P. S. Trump has not said word one about his adultery with Marla, let alone atoned for it.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:41 PM

2. The Onion could do no better.

Unfortunately, the writers were undoubtedly serious.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:45 PM

4. Could you please include a Link?

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:28 AM

74. The OP is refusing to provide a link b/c "safety" yet OP posted the entire content of the letters on

one of the most active political sites on the internet. The letters were supposedly published in a public Indiana newspaper. They would not be hard to find if they exist. Something does not make sense.

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Response to anneboleyn (Reply #74)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:57 AM

81. Another poster googled to find the letters, and came up zilch.

Not surprised.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #81)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:11 AM

89. sfgate posted links below! Thnx sfgate. Be warned -- the website is so old school it hurts my eyes.

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Response to anneboleyn (Reply #89)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:19 AM

90. Lol, thanks! nt

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:49 PM

5. just respond in an letter to the Editor and ask each of the authors to...

...justify being an obvious God Fearin' Christian and supporting an admitted sexual predator?

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Response to samnsara (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:32 PM

33. or, in response to the first letter

"God is mad at Trump. Trump has been tested and he failed. God will send his wrath upon America until Trump is removed from office. And Jesus will condemn this country, as he did in Matthew 25:31-46, for ignoring his teachings."

Throw this at 'em and watch 'em choke.

You gotta learn to speak their language...

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:54 PM

7. I agree, you can't reach these people. But how do you stop this cancer from spreading?

It's horrifying that so many Americans think this way.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:02 PM

9. Millions are hearing this in church

And on programs on Trinity Broadcasting Network. See Jim Bakker, John Hagee, Percy Stone, among many others.

Jonathan Cahn is very popular among Evangelicals. He tied everything up in his book The Harbinger, which shows America following the pattern from the OT of a nation turning away from God and suffering his wrath, eg 9/11 and the 2007 financial crisis. His latest book The Paradigm asserts that Bill and Hillary are modern incarnations of Ahab and Jezebel, pushing Baal worship (sacrifice of children to Baal, ie abortion) and female power.

The views of his second book are most clearly found in his interview on Sid Roth's show 'It's Supernaturel.' The youtube video is linked at rightwingwatch.com.

Cahn is given special credance by adoring Evangelicals because he is a rabbi who converted. As a rabbi he is viewed as an OT expert versed in all its nuances and patterns

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Response to bobbieinok (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:57 PM

38. Jonathan Cahn, or "Rabbi Bluto", as we call him at home

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Response to musette_sf (Reply #38)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:39 AM

55. Ooh. Oh no. I knew he reminded me of

someone and couldn't place him. Oy!

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Response to bobbieinok (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:16 AM

41. Many, if not most Christians reject the OT for good reason

The OT and NT do not reconcile all that well. The central question being whether Jesus is a god or the messiah, because he most certainly can't be both and the claim to either is pretty weak. A real OT expert would know these things.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #41)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:06 PM

104. The "man and also Son of God" was settled centuries ago. It's why it's called "faith."

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #104)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:34 PM

110. Not as well as you might think

Most biblical scholars believe the only reference to the holy trinity in the NT is a 9th century forgery and most translations either omit it entirely or add a footnote questioning it's authenticity. About a century ago even the official Catholic Church position changed to declare it debatable as to whether or not it's authentic. So yes, it entirely rests on faith because not only is there no evidence for it in the early church, there's plenty in the bible that contradicts any notion of the trinity. The much more plausible explanation is Christ was deified centuries after his death as a matter of political convenience.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:04 PM

10. These people are crazy.

This is why I don't live in Indiana anymore. This is why I can't stand those xians either.
Ugh.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:09 PM

11. The degree of ignorance in each letter is disheartening.

And they both are examples of why I so despise organized religion.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:07 AM

86. Another poster on this thread tried to find these letters.

They don't exist, which several of us suspected when the OP refused to provide a link.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:21 PM

12. But we can't mock their faith!!!1!

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:46 PM

16. What these people don't get is "their own" should be the citizens of The United States.

Not some subset of the country.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:52 PM

17. So Trump is God's punishment? Did I read that first letter right? nt

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:54 PM

19. The author of the second letter

Needs a graphic reminder of the results of the Jim Crow KKK's expressions of their "love" for the white race.

I won't post any here, but many well know what I mean...all the lynching photos with those average white citizens attending as if they're at an outdoor concert.

Emmett Till's mutilated body.

So many others.

White privilege is the KKK being normalized to the point they can sponsor road signs on Missouri highways...and have a blind eye turned to the many murders committed by their predecessors.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:34 PM

34. Hey sometimes they started with concerts and picnics. All normal to those average white

citizens who then hung around at night after listening to speakers who got them riled up. Guess it didn't take much to join in killing - a bbq and a speech was enough

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Response to lunasun (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:26 AM

45. "Everybody Welcome!"

Yeah, I'll bet...


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Response to hunter (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:10 AM

67. I know! Hilarious! I thought it was The Onion!

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Response to hunter (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:39 AM

77. Well... it says "Races" right in the box at upper right

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:55 PM

20. Link please

Would good to to know where this is

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Response to GeoWilliam750 (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:05 AM

40. The OP will not provide a link because it does not exist.

It is a troll

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #40)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:41 AM

47. Link ...

..or not I live in Indiana and can assure you that I hear this stuff on a almost daily basis. Indiana had one of if not the largest percentages of KKK membership back in the 20's and very little has changed since then. Go to the truck stop diner in Memphis or the town square in Corydon and you'll hear this all day long. How do you think someone like Pence got elected Gov.? Aside from scattered area's this is one of the reddest of the red states and Pence's declaration that he's a "christian , republican, conservative in that order" is very well received once you get away from the narrow strip of blue along the Ohio river near Louisville and the major urban areas of the state.

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Response to BigOleDummy (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:38 AM

54. OK - going to bed - but WTF r u trying to say?

All many of us are asking for is to a link to these letters to the editor.........

Real simple.

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:43 AM

59. There's no link.

And I agree with you as to why there is none.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:02 PM

21. The irony of ironies is that there God was a socialist jew

Who hung out with whores and theives. If he even existed.

Their religion was started a goodly while later by an insane Roman.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:35 PM

35. He also was assumed to be single during a time when all Jewish Rabbis were expected to be married

Not to mention he was traveling with 12 other men with only one of which was known to be married.

He also had a special relationship with one of his disciples, who almost certainly was very young, during a time when pederasty between religious teachers and students was very common and widely accepted.

So there's lots of inferences you can draw from an assumed historical Jesus that probably wouldn't be all that comforting to most Christians.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:07 PM

23. Indiana has a long history with the christian KKK nt

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:07 PM

24. God installed the guy who won't bow down to him?

Suuuuuuure, suckers.

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Response to czarjak (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:24 AM

44. Nobody reads the bible more than Trump

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:12 PM

25. WHY have you not yet included a LINK....?

This is not 'REAL' - as u have said it is..... until you provide a LINK.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:14 PM

27. Link

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:22 PM

29. And Hurricane Irma struck because god wanted it to strike. And children die of brain cancer...

...because god wants children to die of brain cancer.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:24 PM

30. On the other hand

Maybe God is using Trump to destroy America. The letter writers cannot speak for God, nor can they predict the outcome of his presidency. Nobody knows why he was elected, except maybe Robert Mueller.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:25 PM

31. Race traitors and Satan oh my !

KKK was just trying to LOVE their own by lynchings and bombings?
Yeah they will not change and are crazy and racist idiots imo

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:55 PM

37. Honest question

Do you think these folks vote? It feels like a lot of them might not be voters. I guess those politicized at church might be, though.

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Response to BadgerMom (Reply #37)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:59 AM

64. Rural Dem here, these people do exist (and vote) but are really uncommon

I live out in cow country, and yeah there are nuts like this (particularly the Bible quoting first one) but they are pretty rare.

In my church we had an older member (in his 70s), start to occasionally go off on rants like the first letter - especially the heavy sprinkling of semi-related bible quotes. Turns out it was the first signs of dementia, and he unfortunately has worsened to the point of needing to be in a specialized care facility.

The authors of these letters (particularly the first) may be genuinely mentally ill

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:59 PM

39. One third

These people must be part of the one third that Satan took with him. MY bible and MY Lord does not say these things. We are to "take care of our own" meaning we are to take care of our own humans. Humankind. Red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight...
Does anyone remember this basic Christian song we ALL sung in Sunday School?

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:18 AM

42. OMG. I could only read a couple of sentences of the idiocy. Racism, plain & simple. Can't tolerate

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:42 AM

48. Ask for a link.... you will get none from a Troll.....

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:41 AM

46. I almost threw up.

To bad they are to stupid and uneducated to know that trump IS NOT a Christian of ANY kind. The ONLY god he will ever believe in is in himself.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:09 AM

50. Agreed.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 02:25 AM

51. I have family in Indiana

Sadly,
they would agree 100% with the letter writers.

And toss in my brothers in Ohio and South Carolina.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #51)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:59 AM

60. OP has been asked repeatedly for a link.

None provided.

Surprised MIRT has let this stand.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #60)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:09 AM

65. I just now 'googled' the letters ...

... and found nothing ????????

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #65)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:23 AM

71. My guess as well. These "letters" are not in any newspaper in Indiana.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #65)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:32 AM

75. Interesting, eh?

Looks to me as though the OP has found what they consider to be a "clever" way to put some right-wing garbage on DU.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #60)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:22 AM

70. We do too. No links to letters or even NAME OF THE PUBLIC NEWSPAPER

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:37 AM

57. "We only entered the war's after we were attacked"?

Uh...we were attacked by Mexico in 1846? By Austria-Hungary in 1917?

By Vietnam?

By anybody in Central America?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #57)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:59 AM

92. "we were attacked by Mexico in 1846" Uh, no

In 1845, newly-elected U.S. President James K. Polk made a proposition to the Mexican government to purchase the disputed lands between the Nueces River and the Rio Grande.

When that offer was rejected, Polk moved U.S. troops commanded by Major General Zachary Taylor into the disputed territory.

Mexican forces attacked an American outpost in the occupied territory,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War

When Mexico refused to sell land to the U.S., the U.S. sent in troops to occupy the land, resulting in the Mexican attack.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #92)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 03:05 PM

94. I know we weren't...My rhetorical questions were inspired by the person in the first letter

making the claim that we only used force when other countries attacked us.

Apparently, that person thinks every nation we ever fought a war against started it by bombing Pearl Harbor.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #92)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:08 PM

105. Why go back so far? IRAQ.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 04:42 AM

58. If this is real, you would have included a link.

But nice try.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 05:56 AM

61. Not comfortable with providing a link.

Don't want anyone internet shamed, harassed, intimidated, etc. That's why the names of the authors were removed.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #61)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:55 AM

62. Sure.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #61)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:21 AM

69. These were published, you claim, in a PUBLIC NEWSPAPER IN INDIANA. Which newspaper? This isnt

rocket science. This is the digital age, and these letters were published in a public newspaper as you claim so there is nothing hidden about them or the names of the writers (which editors often withhold anyway). It's not going to be hard for anyone here who wants to take the time to run down these letters in the newspaper in which they were published if your claim is real.

You are doing nothing to "protect" privacy since 1. The letters are already in the public sphere per the wishes of the letter writers 2. You posted the content of the letters on a very active PUBLIC political website 3. You are now refusing to provide a link which does nothing to protect anyone and just wastes time.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #61)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:39 AM

76. Sure LOL, that is why you felt the need to put "this is real" at the end of the subject line

FYI, it is our job to internet shame fundies, mocking fundies helps the younger generation realize they don't want to be a part of that club.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #76)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:59 AM

83. I know. I thought the "this is real" was a cute touch.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #83)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 12:03 PM

93. Like Trump saying ...

"I will never lie to you"

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #61)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:41 AM

78. Oh bullshit

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #78)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:10 AM

88. sfgate provides links below. That must have been a dig -- this thing looks like 1997 never ended.

The website is hilariously old school.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:39 AM

66. 3 possible reasons there's no link

(1) there is no newspaper, there are no letters

(2) OP has serious and valid safety concerns about divulging exactly which small city this is (although if the residents can read, and their thought cops monitor DU, they already know...)

(3) the editors of the paper believe computers are a tool of Satan and the internet was foretold in the Revelation, and since they're also the mayor/chief of police/Reverend/dogcatcher, there's not going to be a website for the Chamber of Commerce that mentions the local paper

I'm sure it could be something else. Regardless, good to see that a lot of DU demands better than Dan Rather's standard for vetting sources and verifying what you read.

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Response to NotASurfer (Reply #66)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:25 AM

73. If number two were true why would you post the entire content of the letters on a highly active

political website filled with very capable people that could track down the letters in minutes if they were so inclined? Sorry but that dog don't hunt.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:54 AM

79. Link to the second...

The second letter is from "Randy Thompson, Metamora" at http://whitewaterpub.com/AAAissues/index.php?ww=b1737&s=7 in Brookeville, IN.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #79)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:04 AM

85. Thnx. WTH is "WhiteWaterPub.Com" and why does this site look like it's from 1997?

It looks utterly bizarre. That aside, two letters from some aggregate site that is mostly filled with content about local charity dinners and junior high sports doesn't seem all that significant right now to me. Of course there will be people out there who harbor racist views or who have crackpot religious ideas. The other letters didn't have anything to do with Trump nonsense.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:57 AM

80. These people are dealing in trashy fanfiction on the LTE pages.

I have zero sympathy for their plight if they're gonna blather on & on about this treasonous clown being sent by God.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:58 AM

82. Link to the first...

The first letter is from Katie Holtel and is here, http://whitewaterpub.com/AAAissues/index.php?ww=b1737&s=7 also Brookville, IN.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #82)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:01 AM

84. Katie is a regular writer...

"To the Editor,
Last week I heard a news report on CBS where Scott Pelley interviewed the King of Jordan. The King speaks English, so I could understand what he said, not what an interpreter said he said. He told Mr. Pelley that we are in World War III. When asked why he said that, he said, "Isis is in many countries and they are causing trouble where ever they are. It is not just in the Middle East." He also said that Jordan is a Muslin Nation, but they are Muslims that are not a violent faith, that they are not against Christians or Jews. He said they have had to deal with the off shoots who are violent before. When Mr. Pelley asked what he mean, he said, "We had to stop them."
This is the first time I have hear the Jordan King, and was surprised that he spoke fluent English. He said at first they took in refugees, but stopped when they were taking over the jobs of his people. He said They are outside our borders, but we send them food and water, and help them in what ever we can.
In my estimation that is what we should be doing. This is what Mr. Trump has said, "Set up places in their country that are not in battle, and send them food & water & shelters there instead of flooding Nations with them.
As I also say, we need to pray, pray.
I have found this prayer and am praying it;
Father God, open our eyes.
We pray for those who are in the bondage of sin.
Open their eyes too. Do not let them continue to miss out on the far greater joys of this life, and even more importantly, on the eternal joy of heaven.
Save our Nation. Change the hearts of people. Protect our children and our families. Guide us in the up coming Election, and guide the crucial up coming court cases. Open the eyes of Your people, and help us to deliver this Nation back to Thee! For Christ's sake, and in His Name, we pray. Amen.
We have to realize we are in a really bad place in our Nation, and only Prayer and contrition for allowing our Nation to be turned away from God will turn it around and back "One Nation Under God!"
Sincerely,
Katie Holtel "
[link:http://www.whitewaterpub.com/AAAissues/index.php?ww=b1640&s=7|
http://www.whitewaterpub.com/AAAissues/index.php?ww=b1640&s=7]

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #84)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:09 AM

87. Katie sounds profoundly mentally ill. Also sad that she spends her time writing LTE in some tiny

little local paper -- she seems to need attention and has found perhaps the only way to get it. Also, she is shocked that extremely well-educated "foreign types" like the "Jordan King" speak English? Sigh. She needs to take up another hobby.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #84)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:44 PM

96. One way to identify a xenophobic racist

Is their use of terms like "flooding" or "hordes" for people who are really not that numerous.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #84)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:22 PM

118. She is 81 years old

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #82)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:21 AM

91. Excellent sleuthing!

Lol, if DU wants a link, doggone it, DU WILL get a link!

Well done.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 07:34 PM

95. As I said, I wasn't comfortable providing a link to the site.

Though it is common to provide a link to a story, I was not comfortable about doing so. I need not provide an explanation. A simple query was all that was needed to find it.

The use of snark, sarcasm and name calling to demand a link be provided was inappropriate.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #95)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:11 PM

107. I too get the vapors thinking about the horrors of posting a link

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Response to bronxiteforever (Reply #107)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:21 PM

109. Ah, more snark.

Feel free to pound sand at your convenience.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Reply #109)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:47 PM

114. You give as good as you take

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:20 PM

108. ...or over it.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 08:44 PM

111. The second writer's ancestors should have stayed in Europe based on his logic.

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Response to muntrv (Reply #111)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:34 PM

120. There is a guy by the same name in the same county who is a convicted felon

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 09:10 PM

112. Welcome to the Indiana Bible Belt.

It's like a Y with Indianapolis sitting just above the bottom of the bowl. The stems go upward northwest and northeast and south. Hoosiers know what I'm talking about. This crap appears in many indiana small town papers because it sells papers. I finally cancelled my subscription to the local rag back when it wouldn't stop bashing hillary every F,n day

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Response to Chipper Chat (Reply #112)

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 10:20 PM

117. more of a bible thong, maybe?

bible mankini!

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