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Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:45 PM

My Sister defending Corporations as being actual People! Can you help me with a smart response?

If corporations aren't people, then what are they? I'm still trying to figure that one out.

"If corporations are not people, why did we bail out General Motors and Chrysler? Why did Obama care? They're just a bunch of cars, a bunch of evil cars that people shouldn't be driving."

The Supreme Court also said the Obamacare is a tax. Go figure.

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Reply My Sister defending Corporations as being actual People! Can you help me with a smart response? (Original post)
babsbunny Jul 2012 OP
lunatica Jul 2012 #1
Rex Jul 2012 #2
Initech Jul 2012 #3
99Forever Jul 2012 #8
PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #4
democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #5
reformist2 Jul 2012 #6
mmonk Jul 2012 #7
CJCRANE Jul 2012 #9
JoePhilly Jul 2012 #10
Scootaloo Jul 2012 #11
DearAbby Jul 2012 #12
lastlib Jul 2012 #15
babsbunny Jul 2012 #13
PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #14
Solomon Jul 2012 #16
mzmolly Jul 2012 #17
Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #18
babsbunny Jul 2012 #20
demwing Jul 2012 #19
ThomThom Jul 2012 #21
tabasco Jul 2012 #22
Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #23
femmocrat Jul 2012 #24

Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:48 PM

1. Maybe your sister is confused

Maybe she thinks that when you say corporation you're actually talking about the people in it.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:48 PM

2. Tell her she is defending the rights of a corporation to become

 

President of the United States. If she laughs at you, point out that they can now run for office AND one IS trying right now to become POTUS.

See if she laughs at that.

If she does not feel uncomfortable about a faceless corporation being in charge of the USA, then something is wrong with her.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:49 PM

3. Easy refute: If corporations are people why aren't we arresting and prosecuting them?

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Response to Initech (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:56 PM

8. ^^This!^^

When one of them is executed for their crimes, they are one their way to personhood.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:50 PM

4. Corporations are creatures of the state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creature_of_statute

Created with special privileges and responsibilities.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:50 PM

5. President Obama saved the employees as well as the corporation.


Romney just wanted to 'fix' the corporation through structured bankruptcy. He didn't care about the families affected.

When was the last time a corporation held the door for you?

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:51 PM

6. Corporations are more like machines, tools designed to produce profits. Tell her that.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:53 PM

7. The car companies were helped in order to save the jobs of the employees.

Corporations are artificial created legal entities. The founding fathers did not intend them to be persons as it relates to the Constitution or Bill of Rights. They had restrictions on the length of time of corporate charters.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:57 PM

9. "Is a corporation a person?" is a better question

because obviously corporations are (staffed by) people.

But can a corporation do all the things a person can do? And can we do the same things to a corporation that we can do to a person?

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 04:58 PM

10. Corporations are legal entities.

By bailing out the Auto Industry, with SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS for doing so, Obama saved the JOB of people who work for that LEGAL ENTITY.

But a corporation is not a person. A PERSON has a first amendment right to free speech, a corporation, which is a LEGAL ENTITY, should not have the same right.

Oh, I've worked for a corporation a number of times in my career, and I can say first hand that it is NOT a person. The corporation does not love its employees. It will fire you, or sell you off as if you were a PHYSICAL ASSET and NOT an actual person.

And the SC is right, its a tax, a tax you can avoid ... much like you can avoid a tax when you get a mortgage and buy a house verses renting for the same amount. See how that works.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:01 PM

11. A smart response to that would be to sit down while laughing your head off

 

"They're just a bunch of cars, a bunch of evil cars that people shouldn't be driving."

I'm sorry, I don't know your sister, but if that's her argument... Wow.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:01 PM

12. Corporations have no heart, emotion, empathy.

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Response to DearAbby (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:12 PM

15. And they're not entitled to health care under ACA

or MedicAid, or Social Security. They don't work for wages, they don't get protected from discrimination.

And Texas has never executed one.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:04 PM

13. Thanks everyone!!!!!!

She is also a big fan of Faux News and a religious freak!

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Response to babsbunny (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:09 PM

14. Ask her if she was adopted... n/t

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:24 PM

16. Ask her why Romney doesn't name Bain as his

Vice presidential running mate.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:26 PM

17. Because GM hires actual people.

That's why.

People are subject to reporting laws and contribution limitations. If corporations are people, they should be able to give no more than you or I can.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:35 PM

18. Tell her that Mom thinks you are the smart one for very good reasons

 

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 07:09 PM

20. yay!

Thanks!

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 05:39 PM

19. Ask her what gender a corporation is

 

and ask if they can get married in all 50 states?

Also, tell her God created Adam and Eve, not Adam, Inc. and Eve, LLC.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:13 PM

21. Corporations are legal entities that are used to avoid/limit responsibility.

The are made up of people that are owners and employees. These people all have a right speak anytime they want but if they want to be heard by more than the people in the break room they have to buy air time or donate to campaigns. They all have just one vote in the elections.
Tell her that if corporations get to buy air time they are giving another voice to the people directing this speech, who already are speaking through spending their own money on political donations.
Ask her if it would be ok to let corporations vote since they are people? And who would the representative be that entered the voting booth? Wouldn't that be a second vote for that person? That is if they can prove citizenship.
As it is now foreign corporations now get a voice in running our country since it is all secret and corporations really have no bounds.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:18 PM

22. Yeah, corporations are a bunch of people:

 

The CEO, senior execs and a bunch of slaves.

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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:22 PM

23. Corporations exist for the sole purpose of making a profit. If profit ceases a corp. ceases to exist

If a person wants to do something that might mean it would eat into that person's income, with no monetary benefit, a person can do it for a moral good or whatever reason. But a corporation cannot. That would hurt the purpose of the corporation's existence. Everything a corporation does, even charitable contributions, must go toward helping the corporation earn a profit.

People who work for corporations are merely cogs in a wheel. If any of those people fail to work toward the purpose of the corporation, earning a profit, the corporation will rid itself of that person, even if the person is the CEO.

That is because first and foremost, a corporation must earn a profit in order to just exist.

THAT is the main difference between corporations and people. Corporations have no soul, no beating heart, no brain cells. They are legal entities. Nothing more and nothing less.



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Response to babsbunny (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2012, 08:54 PM

24. Surprised that no one has remembered this: (Elizabeth Warren)

"Mitt Romney tells us, in his own words, he believes corporations are people. No, Mitt, corporations are not people,” she exclaimed. “People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick,… they live and they die. Learn the difference.

“And Mitt, learn this: we don’t run this country for corporations, we run it for people,” Warren continued, drawing cheers from the crowd at Boston Symphony Hall.
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“We know where president Obama stands, he stands for working people,” she said. “It’s just as clear where Mitt Romney stands.”

There was even a poster of it on DU a while back.

Source: http://www.liberalroundup.com/politics/crooks-and-liars/136399-elizabeth-warren-no-mitt-corporations-are-not-people

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