HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » In my 40+ years alive, I'...

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 01:43 PM

In my 40+ years alive, I've never seen a politician caricatured as unfairly as Hillary Clinton.

I'll admit that I've never met her, but those who have (including people I know) have consistently described her as warm, compassionate, and generous. Seeing the story today about her sending pizza to people waiting in line for her book only reinforces that for me. And every time I see her interviewed - as opposed to speaking before a crowd - she comes off as friendly, witty, and a joy to be around.

I'll never forgive the people who turned her into something else for their own narrow interests. And that doesn't just include the right wing neanderthals who painted her as shrill, nasty, and everything else they could get away with just shy of calling her the B-word. It also picks up people supposedly on the left, who characterized her as greedy, overly ambitious, and willing to sacrifice progressive causes to further her career without hesitation.

If there could be a silver lining to the 2016 election, and I don't think that's possible, it would be the way in which it taught scores of people (including white guys like me) how sexism continues to run rampant in this country, only in different forms.

So by all means, we should focus like a laser on future elections, but if Hillary wants to talk about her experiences (including as a lesson for the future) she sure as hell has earned that right.

54 replies, 3445 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 54 replies Author Time Post
Reply In my 40+ years alive, I've never seen a politician caricatured as unfairly as Hillary Clinton. (Original post)
Bleacher Creature Tuesday OP
niyad Tuesday #1
haveahart Tuesday #2
niyad Tuesday #3
Bleacher Creature Tuesday #13
maddiemom Tuesday #25
ProfessorGAC Tuesday #4
hurple Tuesday #5
DavidDvorkin Tuesday #6
dawg Tuesday #7
yardwork Tuesday #9
LAS14 Tuesday #8
Lil Missy Tuesday #10
procon Tuesday #11
Lee Adama Tuesday #12
Awsi Dooger Tuesday #14
Dorn Tuesday #15
SharonAnn Tuesday #16
leftstreet Tuesday #18
Bleacher Creature Tuesday #19
Pacifist Patriot Wednesday #42
Bleacher Creature Wednesday #43
Mr.Bill Wednesday #46
BeyondGeography Tuesday #26
left-of-center2012 Tuesday #27
bettyellen Tuesday #30
Lonestarblue Tuesday #17
BigmanPigman Tuesday #20
Gothmog Tuesday #21
Old Crow Tuesday #22
BeyondGeography Tuesday #28
Old Crow Tuesday #29
Mr.Bill Wednesday #48
Old Crow Wednesday #53
iluvtennis Tuesday #23
Maven Tuesday #24
Danmel Tuesday #31
Scurrilous Tuesday #32
aikoaiko Tuesday #33
Major Nikon Tuesday #39
Rhiannon12866 Wednesday #41
marybourg Tuesday #34
Major Nikon Tuesday #38
bobbieinok Tuesday #35
Bleacher Creature Tuesday #36
bobbieinok Wednesday #50
blue cat Tuesday #37
oasis Wednesday #40
FakeNoose Wednesday #44
oasis Wednesday #45
FakeNoose Wednesday #49
raven mad Wednesday #47
zipplewrath Wednesday #51
Turbineguy Wednesday #52
karynnj Wednesday #54

Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 01:45 PM

1. k and r

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to niyad (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 01:48 PM

2. I had to take to task the nasty comment found on Amazon that they listed at the top of the review

list. A bunch of Hillary haters who probably had not read the book (not a verified purchaser). The most awful personal attacks on her and the book. They weren't even remotely a book review.

These people are out there and look for opportunities to trash her and Bill.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to haveahart (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 01:49 PM

3. I am glad you did that. since the book was just released, doubtful any of them actually read

any part of it.

the hatred for HRC amounts to a sickness in many, many cases.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to haveahart (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:59 PM

13. Wow, talk about transparent.

There's no way those people went out and spent $25 on the book and read it in a couple of hours, and then wrote a nasty review.

Honestly, some of these people would probably lose their sense of purpose in life if they couldn't bash a Clinton.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to haveahart (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:50 PM

25. When did Amazon make it availble? Just curious.

Recognized reviewers do get advance copies, of course, but I take it these were "verified purchase" readers. I haven't felt like going over there to check the reviews out.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 01:59 PM

4. I'm A Little Older

I can only think of one politician who took more abuse and that was Nixon. Of course, he deserved it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:01 PM

5. Agreed

Every. Word.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:02 PM

6. LBJ.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:12 PM

7. Lots of people I know were very wary of Trump before the election, but they voted for him anyway.

Hillary Clinton was just so bad, they didn't feel like they had a choice.

"And why is Hillary so bad?"

They couldn't tell me. They just *knew* she was terrible. Everyone else thought so too, didn't they?

"Well, I don't think she's terrible. I think she'd make a fine President. Most of the things people have against her are completely made up!"

"Well, I don't know about that. I've heard so many accusations. Surely a lot of them must be true. And probably lots of other stuff too - stuff we haven't even heard about yet."





They will attempt to do this to all of our candidates. The least we can do is to stop helping them along.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to dawg (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:17 PM

9. "Some people say...."

The Republicans smear all our candidates. This is not the first time some so-called progressives jumped in to help. They did it in 1968, 1980, and 2004 as well. We got Nixon, Reagan, and W as a result.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:17 PM

8. k & r

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:19 PM

10. My observation as well. Thank you.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:47 PM

11. Its even worse, HRC has been pilloried most of her adult life.

You do not need a crystal ball to see the huge patriarchal conspiracy at work to destroy this woman.
From Whitewater, Travelgate, Benghazi and emails, these so called scandals have turned out to be hollow, unsubstantiated smear campaigns that were propagated by Republican men who dedicated themselves to spending every waking moment working to jack up Clinton’s negatives.

The gender dynamics at play here was propped up and enlarged by the professional news media who abdicated its role as honest brokers of the Fourth Estate, the gatekeepers of facts vs fake news. Today's press corps is more obsessed with creating controversy to gin up their ratings which drive increased revenues for their corporate managers. The press is uninterested in substance over the whiff of a potential scandal, and they are either unwilling or incapable of self policing of the scale required to report the facts without passion or prejudice.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 02:50 PM

12. And nearly all of the political caricatures of Hillary were created and propagated by men.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:02 PM

14. I agree, and it happened here during the 2008 primaries also

This site became so disgraceful I had to leave for years. There were actually ignore lists being passed around, targeting anyone who preferred Hillary over Obama. The descriptions of Hillary here may have aligned with some human being somewhere but they didn't threaten to to match her.

No doubt it was similar during the 2016 primaries also, although I can't comment specifically since I mostly stayed away.

Hillary was the most impressive Democratic nominee of my lifetime, or at least while old enough to know what was going on. I was 1 year old when John Kennedy was nominated.

The party's mistake was nominating Obama before Hillary. It had to be the other way around, if you were going to run those two back to back 8 years apart. I posted that theme at the time. The person with less charisma had to be placed in the more favorable situational environment (2008), and not after you've held the White House for 8 years (2016), with all the guaranteed national moodiness and taking things for granted, like forgetting how disastrous Republican administrations can be.

It was absolutely brutal handicapping and lack of foresight by our party primary voters, but that is the norm. When a tunnel vision type like Rachel Maddow is touted as the best we have to offer, you're in big trouble.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:26 PM

15. Ah, wait a minute: don't you remember the terrible caricatures of Obama?

After a 60 second web search:
* Michelle Obama Called ‘Ape in Heels’ By Racist Official in West Virginia
* Obama called the N-word in headline
* Trump's history of suggesting Obama is a Muslim
* Limbaugh unleashed: Obama is a 'sociopathic' liar

When you say things like this, that are easily disproved, you weaken your point.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dorn (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:38 PM

16. while true, these weren't magnified and obsessed over by the media.

They flared up and then died. Crickets.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dorn (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:42 PM

18. Obama didn't suffer decades of those media characterizations

Hillary did

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dorn (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:47 PM

19. Hillary has been dealing with this crap for 25+ years.

Obama shouldn't have had to deal with the smears against him for any amount of time, but the fact is that it went on for a much shorter duration.

Also, the attacks about Obama were mostly name calling. Even his most ardent attackers generally agreed on what kind of person he was. With Hillary, they turned her into a completely different person.

It's not that hard to follow.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:22 AM

42. That is a critical difference.

Obama was mistreated to be certain. But the Muslim Kenyan thing, an attempt to change who he is, never really gained traction beyond the rubes who wanted to believe it. Most of what we got against Obama was name calling and we didn't see countless investigations and charges of corruption. You're right, even his attackers would grudgingly admit his positive attributes.

The degree to which Clinton has had the very nature of her character corrupted and the endless string of investigation after investigation cannot compare in my opinion.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #42)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:05 AM

43. This is a seriously great post.

Especially the line about how Clinton's opponents have corrupted the very nature of her character. It's exactly the point I was trying to make in the OP, just way more succinct. Thanks!

And just to be clear, it doesn't in any way affect my view of the racist attacks levied against both Obamas. In fact, I consider those attacks to be just as egregious. They are just functionally different.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #42)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:45 PM

46. And I've never heard anyone accuse Obama

of murdering hundreds of people.

The republican booth at our county fair one year was staffed by two elderly ladies were adamant that the Clintons had murdered over 200 people. Not had them killed, mind you, but actually personally murdered them themselves. Those were their exact words.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dorn (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:54 PM

26. Some would say he was better at rising above it

Others would say he had the advantage of being a man. Both would be right, IMO.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dorn (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:56 PM

27. I agree 100%

but we'd best duck.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Dorn (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 05:36 PM

30. The mainstream media didn't participate in those attacks and legitimize them

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:40 PM

17. The Politics of Personal Destruction

Republicans have raised personal destruction of their opponents to an art form. The mainstream media assists them, sometimes for ratings and sometimes by refusing to acknowledge and publicize the nasty games Republicans play. Perhaps I was not paying attention, but I do not remember any legitimate news outlet calling out Republicans for their never-ending Benghazi hearings or comparing Benghazi to the attacks on embassies and deaths on the watches of Bush and other presidents.

When the New York Times publicized Clinton Cash, I was horrified that they did not identify this book as the hit piece it was. From Wikipedia: "Research for the book was conducted by the Government Accountability Institute,[1] a conservative nonprofit investigative research organization founded by Peter Schweizer and Steve Bannon." When even our "good" media promote sensationalism over truth, it's obvious that the media indeed helped elect Trump.

The sexism evident in opposition to Clinton is rampant in our society. Every woman who has been in a management role in any part of corporate America has seen scores of less qualified men promoted over eminently qualified women. Clinton's promise was that she represented not only the most qualified woman but the most qualified candidate period. To see that promise crushed by the ascension of yet one more undeserving and unqualified man was heartbreaking and disheartening. What do women have to do to prove that they are capable? Does the U.S. presidency have a sign saying, "Women need not apply?"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:57 PM

20. Sexism is thriving and flourishing in our country yet few will address

this issue. You do not need to wear pink pussy ears to a rally to be mad as hell with the USA double standard. Men and women, old and young should be irate. There is no excuse for this to be the accepted norm in 2017!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:17 PM

21. Agreed

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:17 PM

22. This place has become an absolute echo chamber.

It's one of the reasons I visit less and less often. If anyone dares mention the impropriety of Hillary's outsize speaking fees from Goldman Sachs, it's like kicking a hornet's nest. Problem is, this DU echo chamber doesn't accurately reflect the thinking of the nation at large.

Lastly: How much do you want to bet this comment gets alerted on and hidden? All I'm doing is stating uncomfortable facts, facts that the Democratic Party needs to come to terms with if they want to stop the right-wing. But more and more, this place seems to want to exist in its own reality.

Post hidden in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6....

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Old Crow (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 05:12 PM

28. She states uncomfortable facts in her book

She admits the GS speeches and the private email server were blunders. The irony is she could get alerted for that here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 05:29 PM

29. LOL!

Your comment gives me hope: it's funny and shows independent, critical thought. I'm heartened to hear that she admits the GS speeches were errors of judgment. Thanks for the response.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Old Crow (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:48 PM

48. And yet they voted for a man

who has staffed cabinet positions with Goldman Sachs people, and they see nothing wrong with that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 04:32 PM

53. True. Two wrongs don't make a right. No denying that.

I think we can all agree that much of the electorate chose poorly.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:24 PM

23. Agree. BTW, there a double standard out there...we women are supposed to be nasty b*tches who...

...aren't worthy. The hate for a woman put the Orange Monster in the WH

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:27 PM

24. K&R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 05:37 PM

31. I know a few people who worked for her when she was in the Senate

They had very nice things about her. They said she was very warm and caring. And obvious very smart and hard working.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 05:42 PM

32. K&R

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 05:47 PM

33. I think Jimmy Carter still has the title.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to aikoaiko (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:59 PM

39. Carter is the greatest President of my time

He is also unquestionably the greatest person to hold the title in my time. To this day he still gets blamed for shit he didn't do and gets no credit for that which he did, even among some Democrats.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Major Nikon (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 07:25 AM

41. I agree with you.

I have his autobiography, "A Full Life: Reflections at 90" and recommend it highly. I have the audio book, read by the author , play it in my car when I have to drive any distance and I learn something new every time.

And it wasn't just what he accomplished during his term, most importantly the Camp David Accords, but he was very active mediating crises during both the Bush I and Clinton administrations, too - including negotiating an agreement with North Korea that held until 2002. We sure could use him now.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:05 PM

34. You should have seen and heard what

was done to Eleanor Roosevelt, and to a lesser extent, Franklin. And she wasn't even a politician, but only a wife and then a widow of one. It was truly disgusting.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to marybourg (Reply #34)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:56 PM

38. Much of the HRC hate is an extension of the hate for Bill

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:50 PM

35. Incredible to watch Iim Bakker show

They constantly talk about how Trump is the most unfairly hated and reviled president ever. Why he's even gotten death threats! It's like the 8 years of Obama's presidency never existed. We truly do not live in the same universe, let alone the same world.

And of course, according to those on his show, the opposition to Trimp is all coming from demonic forces. Bakker's description of his reaction to watching the Women's March after the election is absolutely mind-boggling!

Never forget, he and his viewers vote...THEY ELECTED TRUMP.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bobbieinok (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 07:01 PM

36. Aren't the "attacks" on Trump more often than not his own words?

More power to you for watching that craziness.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 02:42 PM

50. There's kind of an awful fascination

And there you can see undiluted the belief t)hat God has chosen Trump to save America, that HRC is the modern reincarnation of the incredibly dangerous Jezebel who seeks to make female power acceptable (see Jonathan Cahn's book Paradigm and his many talks on youtube, most clearly on Sid Roth's show "It's Supernaturel." Cahn is EXTREMELY popular in Evangelical circles.)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:31 PM

37. Yes

So true.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 04:30 AM

40. I never could understand the "Hillary hate".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oasis (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 11:34 AM

44. Rush Limbaugh and his "crowd"

Limbaugh started the Hillary-hate probably 25+ years ago. Well it started out as Bill-hate but then it morphed into targeting both of the Clintons. He's told nothing but lies all this time and gotten away with it.

The amazing thing is that Rush Limbaugh is worth $500 million, while most of his listeners probably don't even have $500.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FakeNoose (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:39 PM

45. Bill Clinton visited Honolulu during his 1st year as President. He spoke

to a huge crowd assembled near Waikiki Beach. Both Dem Senators, Inouye and Akaka were in attendance, as was the Dem. Governor.

Some right wing idiot in a sailboat could be seen in the distance with "Rush Was Right" written on his sail. Clinton was hardly a year in office.

Months later, while on a train ride from L.A. to San Diego, I overheard two businessmen trashing Clinton for nearly the entire trip.

These people are sick with hatred for all things Clinton.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to oasis (Reply #45)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 01:38 PM

49. Yes it boggles the mind

These people have nothing better to do with their lives?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:48 PM

47. She was the first VIABLE woman to run for POTUS. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT (RUN SCREAMING).

And she won it. Period.

It used to, seriously, be different with MSM. I remember Cronkite, but I'm old.

And RayGuns eliminated "fair" journalism; Faux Snooze turned it tabloid. Faux is the "I gave birth to an elephant and can prove it" journalism.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 04:10 PM

51. Over that time period, yes

Lincoln was portrayed as an ape among other things. Politics were pretty ugly up until about the 1940's. I think we're headed back that way now.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 04:18 PM

52. The RW hate campaign against her

started when you were in high school.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Bleacher Creature (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 05:14 PM

54. Joan Kerry has been smeared since 1971

If you look at twitter, his entire career and his characer are smeared every bit as much as Hillary's are. He just continues working toward goals he has had for a lifetime.

I feel worse for secondary people who are smeared, but never have gain enough spotlight to show by their actions who they are, One such person is his wife, who not that long before had been described as a secret weapon of her husband, John Heinz, beautiful, brilliant and charming was torn apart in 2004 with the media doing nothing to correct the smears.

Though Teresa had been the person who united the Pittsburgh philanthropists to jointly fund and sponsor a huge project to create new green public infrastructure for the city creating a stimulus package of sorts that revitalized a sinking rust belt city. That work was part of why GHWB picked her as an NGO representative to the Rio climate change conference in 1992. I followed politics and certainly followed 2004 and Kerry after that, I learned all that in 2009 when Pittsburgh hosted the G7.

The media was seriously more protective of and supportive of Melania Trump. Unlike her husband or Hillary Clinton, Teresa has never had any kind of platform to let people see her as she is.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread