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Hillary Clinton: Political journalists "can't bear to face their own role in helping elect Trump"










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Reply Hillary Clinton: Political journalists "can't bear to face their own role in helping elect Trump" (Original post)
kpete Sep 12 OP
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sharedvalues Sep 12 #11
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 07:52 AM

1. Man, can this book be more awesome! Let's confront everybody.

Everyone on the spot.

Hell, yeah!


Hillary Clinton: Political journalists "can't bear to face their own role in helping elect Trump"

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:27 PM

79. Andrea "but her emails..." Mitchell - are you listening?

One of the worst offenders!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 07:53 AM

2. Say it out loud!

Thanks Hillary.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 07:58 AM

3. Oh yes preach it sister!!!!

Thank you Hillary for saying this.

Cilizza deserves blame. That 50-story tweet shows it clearly.

Don't let Haberman and Thrush at NYT off the hook either. NYT has a ton of influence with liberals. My guess is that Haberman is the single journalist who bears the most blame for electing Trump - she wrote a ton of email stories and her audience is people whose discouragement from voting had a huge effect.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:10 AM

9. Mag the Hab was repeatedly interviewed during the

campaign as a "friend" of Hillary Clinton making it even worse. Absolutely hate her.



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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:13 AM

11. I think Haberman means well

And I hesitate to say this, but I think Haberman is just dimwitted. Either that or she's lived in such a bubble her whole life she doesn't know the effect she had, and how important it is that news reflects the truth and that news reflects issues important to America. The NYT isn't People, for God's sake.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:34 AM

13. Don't forget Morning Joe and Mika. They gave him tons of free air time.

They're trying to make up for it by turning on trump 180 degrees by mocking his actions now that he's president.

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Response to brush (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 06:49 AM

86. I say this every time I watch the show and hear their "outrage" about Trump...

the two of them should be ashamed of themselves. But that won't happen...

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:38 AM

17. Cillizza is a snake. Do you remember the Hot Mike conversation between Trump and Mika&Joe ?

On it Joe said to Trump that Cilizza was "On board".

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:00 AM

4. 100% right

Lots of people know this, but most in that sector are ignoring it hoping people forget. Its been the elephant in the room for a long time. Those that weren't explicitly trying to get him elected wanted to create a close race for ratings. Trump did nothing to help his popularity, but cable news led the way in attacking Clinton's integrity at every step, along with some other outlets and Russian propagandists.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:02 AM

6. +1

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:34 AM

48. Well said...the media wanted a "horse race" for their fking ratings.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:39 AM

49. Les Moonves of CBS said just that

As long as Trump was good for ratings, CBS handled everything out of him with kid gloves. The future of the nation didn't matter to Moonves as long as CBS could charge premium prices for ads.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #49)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:44 PM

77. Reprehensible. Disgusting. Why he doesn't have to answer for that I haven't a clue. eom

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:29 PM

80. That would be YOU, Steve Kornacki!

I swear - he did everything but wear a damn bib!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:02 AM

5. No truer words.

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Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:25 AM

12. the problem was

that the emails were a BS issue. Her private server was following in the footsteps of Colin Powell doing the same, and following his advice to do just that.

Meanwhile, while Trump had plenty of coverage for negatives, they came and went away a day or two later and almost never returned. The email issue kept going and going and going despite it being a non-scandal.

Why was the BS Clinton Foundation scandal a big ongoing issue during the campaign, but the real scandals of the Trump Foundation were gone in maybe a day or two and barely mentioned again? How about the Trump University scandals? The Tax Returns? "Grab 'em by the pussy" was gone in a few days. How about all the bankruptcies?



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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:35 AM

15. Colin Powell, the guy who stood up in front of the UN and lied us into a war?

That's our standard of 'it must be ok then'?

The email thing kept returning, because those assholes at Wikileaks kept leaking provocative stories whenever they felt it would hurt us the most. Insiders described it in Shattered as an endless drip drip drip that ruined any good days coverage. They knew it was being done deliberately to hurt the campaign, but what are the media supposed to do when a story is leaked? Just ignore it because it might not help one of the candidates?

As for 'grab em by the pussy' and countless other Trump scandals, they really weren't gone in a few days, they were all over the news endlessly, but the shit coming from that vile bastard was so relentless and so shocking, that new stories overshadowed the old. The real question for me is still how the hell didn't those stories kill his campaign? It's not like they were hidden from the public, the public just didn't seem to care.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:57 AM

27. Maybe they should have reported about it accurately rather than taking their cues from Breitbart

And Trump apologist Chuck Grassley.

Definitely see Progressoid's chart below.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9585044

On Edit: ah never mind you say it is a big lie.

And perhaps DU'ers should have stopped slobbering over every lying word uttered by "Fox News Legal Expert" Joe DiGenova. One of the most egregious rightwing hacks out there, yet posted and recc'd to the max.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:42 PM

75. Powell

is more credible in the eyes of most of America than almost every other politician out there. Unfortunately, the story of him telling Clinton to set up the private server didn't make much news... doesn't excuse his involvement in the Iraq War, but he didn't lose nearly as much as Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld did in terms of credibility.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:39 PM

81. It was a BS issue

Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rice all had private servers and no one ever said squat about it.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:35 AM

14. Were they more important than not only every single issue in the campaign

but all of the rest of the issues put together, because that is the amount of coverage they got. Also on your other point. Take one issue, charities. Both Clinton and Trump had charities. Clinton's charity had a book written about it, had that book excerpted on the Times editorial page despite the fact the book was by a man who was known to be a dishonest, Clinton hater, and after all was said and done, the charity was an A rated charity that had no scandal. In comparison, Trump had a charity that has been shut down due to being so scandal ridden, had a reporter (literally the sole reporter who wrote about it) win a Pulitzer, that reporter wasn't excerpted on the Times editorial page, the Times wrote one story about it. Go ahead, tell me that was equal coverage.

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Response to dsc (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:37 AM

16. Bear in mind they weren't just one story that never went away

It was a story that was deliberately and regularly fed by Wikileaks and pro-Russia actors to ensure it stayed in the news. We have a very clear enemy to blame for this, and its not the media.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:08 AM

31. again, they got more coverage than the sum total of all the issues she raised

in comparison, Trump often got coverage of his issues, even if it was at times negative.

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Response to dsc (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:12 AM

35. Of course he did.

Be realistic, which is going to be more featured on the news, a major party nominee calling Mexican rapists, or talking about banning Muslims from the country, or building a giant wall, or a major party nominee talking about quite complex policy issues? Does anyone seriously thing the latter is going to get the bulk of press time?

The issue here is that that news coverage didn't destroy him, and might even have strengthened him. Can we really put that at the feet of the media? That tens of millions of Americans voted for a man they knew was a rampant racist, misogynist and bigot?

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:07 AM

45. Yes, of course we can.

"Can we really put that at the feet of the media?"

Yes, of course we can. It's not as though there is only one direction in which blame can point. There are numerous reasons, the media being one of them.

Her point yet stands.



"Be realistic..."
Yes, please.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:28 AM

47. Be realistic: the press (aka "media") has a special place in the Constitution for a REASON...

That reason being to tell the TRUTH ("quite complex policy issues" ) not bury it because the liar is more ENTERTAINING.

The media failed, bigly. They failed the entire nation.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:41 AM

50. You're saying the media couldn't make its own news judgment?

That their assignment editor was Wikileaks and pro-Russia actors? I tend to ascribe more agency to the news media than that. They eagerly and willfully parroted misinformation, knew it was such, and didn't care. The ad revenues were irresistible.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:40 AM

19. Come on, the email issue was a fake scandal milked and milked by repugs and some journalists...

like Andrea Mitchell who was so obvious in her hate for Hillary.

Benghazi was another fake scandal that they milked through out the campaign while they showed trump rallies over and over and over ó sometimes just the crowd at the rallies while waiting for trump to show.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:43 AM

21. Data says otherwise...

Donald Trump succeeded in shaping the election agenda. Coverage of Trump overwhelmingly outperformed coverage of Clinton. Clintonís coverage was focused on scandals, while Trumpís coverage focused on his core issues.



Attempts by the Clinton campaign to define her campaign on competence, experience, and policy positions were drowned out by coverage of alleged improprieties associated with the Clinton Foundation and emails. Coverage of Trump associated with immigration, jobs, and trade was greater than that on his personal scandals.



...https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud

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Response to progressoid (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:59 AM

28. All true!

The American media, for the most part, worthless. Even the president they elected hates them. Ha, what irony. Wonder if the'll write about this from their prison cells?
But there's Bannon, looking all human, telling America he's a fighter (almost wet my pants on that one) and will be the con's "wing man." Yeah, that's right, CBS, let's give them an even larger forum..

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:36 AM

37. So true that presidents they help elect are, at least, more LIKELY to hate them.

Trump is the only one who obviously hates them and started the "fake media" thing (pure self defense). Before that they were the "liberal media." In that respect, the Republicans played them for years, leading them to bend over backwards not to seem liberal. I really miss the late Helen Thomas.

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Response to maddiemom (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:04 AM

56. Yes, exacty! They were played, and played and played.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:44 AM

39. Calling them worthless probably misses the mark

They were worth quite a lot to their owners and advertisers. I don't personally believe it was solely errors in judgment OR sensationalism. WE HAVE A "managed democracy", and there are some billionaires that wanted this outcome who have both influence and strings to pull.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:43 AM

52. So there's Ol' Gin Blossom yakking it up with Charlie Rose but HOW DARE HILLARY

Pardon me while I vomit

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Response to Hekate (Reply #52)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:06 AM

57. Yes, "the boys" get their time.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #52)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:44 PM

76. Typical. We know it. All women are used to this double standard.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:18 PM

82. "The American media, for the most part, worthless."

Couldn't agree with you MORE.

As others have said, media types like Andrea Mitchell took real GLEE in reporting on Hillary's alleged "scandalous" emails. Meanwhile, tRumpurin was lying like a rug almost daily and not much was made of his pathological lying, and for the most part the media STILL isn't calling that tReasonous, mentally-deteriorating pig out enough on his continuing lies.

Happy to see that this past August, the Washington Post has gone Fact Checker on tReasonous tRump:

"We have been tracking President Trumpís false or misleading claims for more than seven months. Somewhere around Aug. 4 or Aug. 5, he broke 1,000 claims, and the tally now stands at 1,057."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/08/22/president-trumps-list-of-false-and-misleading-claims-tops-1000/?utm_term=.ea6492ef26d8

Unfortunately, too many in the press are still trying to normalize that POS and in some cases give him props and a cookie when he doesn't act out as crazily as he usually does

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Response to progressoid (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:01 AM

29. That's wildly deceptive and you should be embarrased to post it.

What they call 'Trump-Immigration' and you call one of his 'core issues' includes the mass coverage of his racism and calls for muslims to be banned from the country and calling Mexicans rapists. Oh and not to forget about his fucking wall. Are you suggesting the media shouldn't have raised hell over that stuff?

As for that huge spike for Clinton-Emails, that includes the entire campaign from Wikileaks-Russia leaking out endless stories from the email cache to keep hitting her campaign and stop it gaining momentum.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:11 AM

34. See Gallup's "word clouds" re "What Have You Heard/Read/Seen about Trump or Clinton"

You are correct that Wikileaks/Russia played a big part in this. However you are wrong that media didn't play a big part in it. Media coverage focused on ginned up Clinton "scandals".

It is typical of media for a long time now.. Wide-eyed wonder at all things Republican, steely eyed
Skepticism (or worse) about Democrats.






What Americans said they'd heard about the candidates may hold the key to Donald Trump's big upset

http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-candidate-word-clouds-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-emails-2016-11

"Americans interviewed by Gallup associated Trump most with the words "speech," "president," and "immigration." Meanwhile, the most dominant word associated with Clinton was "emails," "lie," and "scandal," suggesting voters had heard the most about the FBI investigation into her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state.

It's worth noting the FBI cleared Clinton in July, and the lewd 2005 tape of Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women hadn't surfaced yet, so the word clouds may have been different closer to Election Day. But exit polls suggest that three-quarters of voters had decided which presidential candidate they were going to vote for before September."


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Response to Kentonio (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:21 AM

62. Yaa shure

I'm embarrassed.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 06:51 PM

78. That's my point, too.

The press EXPOSED him. Good people everywhere were appalled.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:15 AM

60. 600 days newsworthy?

Yes, the issue deserved coverage. It also deserved perspective.

600 days of email coverage vs 20 of Access Hollywood. Tell me there's not something wrong with that fact.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:20 AM

61. Have you seen the word clouds and charts? They're off the hook crazy....

Especially since the email thing was actually deliberately conflated and confused with the hacks of the DNC emails which should have been a big strike against the GOP.
Since it wasn't anything exceptional -Powell and everyone else used private email before her- it was just a ton of innuendo and false accusations being reported.
They ignored important policy statements and blatant lies from Trump al the time to cover it. I've never seen something blown out of proportion so badly.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 12:06 PM

64. kindly remember that her private email server was NOT illegal.

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Response to niyad (Reply #64)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 12:13 PM

65. No, just stupid.

Not to mention that it probably cost us an election.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #65)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 12:16 PM

66. righhhht--because the hacking, the voter suppression, the russian interference, the

third-way voters, none of that mattered.

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Response to niyad (Reply #66)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 12:22 PM

67. Sorry, I forgot that because that stuff all happened that she gets a free pass on everything

Or maybe without things like the email server, big money speeches and the rest it would never have been even remotely close enough for the hacking, Russians etc to have made a difference.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #67)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 12:32 PM

68. oooookay, got it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:03 AM

8. She definitely hit the nail on the head here.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:11 AM

10. Not fair, Sleez was just doing what Andrea told him to do. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:39 AM

18. Do you mean that the constant fawning over Donald Trump made the media compliceit?

Well, YEAH.

The media denying their own responsibility? Well, YEAH again!

But the big story on tonight's news...WATER IS WET!!!

PEACE!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:42 AM

20. Amen to that!! (Andrea Mitchell... I'm looking at you.)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:46 AM

22. They didn't learn their lesson with W and their complicity in the Iraq war.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:20 AM

36. Times a thousand

Took years for a few of them to admit that. Then they would have the gall to invite these Bush criminals on their shows to discuss foreign policy. Thankfully, most have them have slithered away, but none of them will admit the war was a mistake.

Peace

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Response to progressoid (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:29 PM

71. This is literally the most important point of the thread

They sold us that bullshit war with their constant WMD lies

They then basically forced Trump down our throats

Why? Ratings They are literally feasting on Trumps presidency now

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:49 AM

23. And that is a fact!

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:52 AM

24. She's absolutely right.

This is a result of the market-driven nature of corporate media. Trump gave good ratings, and ratings are the be-all and end-all of the market model of news media.

Maybe it's time to consider that the market model doesn't necessarily work best for everything. Maybe it's fine for toasters and cars but not for journalism, medicine, education, etc.

Maybe, just maybe, it's time to turn away from market fundamentalism.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:52 AM

25. I'm afraid she's right. But that's the state of the media these days.

They have so much air time to fill, and ratings matter. So they harp repeatedly on the high-ratings story of the day or week.

It cuts both ways, though. Now that Trump has proven very unpopular and turned out to be incompetent and possibly unstable, this is hit on every single day. It's a ratings-upper and a popular topic. Is it valid? Well, I think so, but that's me. I think Trump is scary dangerous and unstable. I have thought so since before the election.

But that's the way it is. If only someone had leaked about the investigation into Trump's team's collusion with Russia...that would have taken precedence to the Clinton email story.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 08:54 AM

26. AMEN

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:06 AM

30. Thank you, Hillary!

The media will finally have to report their own culpability.

Long time coming.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:12 AM

58. No they won't. They will simply continue the Hillary Narrative...

They will continue to use misogynistic language to describe her every utterance.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:09 AM

32. Bam!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:10 AM

33. She's right. But I don't think they care

They're gleefully turning on Trump now...because ratings

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:40 AM

38. Are you listening, Joe/Mika? Chucky Todd? Andrea Mitchell?

Plenty of blame to go around, for a lazy mass media that helped put an inept madman in the White House. Unforgivable.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:53 AM

40. Exactly right!

All the whiny pundits and anchors these days
should realize that they helped elect 45.

It was Clinton emails 24/7 for awhile.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:54 AM

41. Truth

They did not cover the issues.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:01 AM

42. Best quote yet.

Media propped up Trump, possibly in part because they just didn't know how to report on a candidate without accomplishments or clear policy, and tore down Hillary throughout the campaign.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:01 AM

43. K&R for visibility. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:02 AM

44. While I do think the media is to blame

I blame the heads of the networks more than individual journalists. Les Moonves of CBS just said it outright.

"It May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS."

Coverage of Trump meant higher ratings than coverage of anyone else, in the primaries and the GE.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:14 AM

46. Truth bomb, save for a few they're all sickening.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:43 AM

51. The absolute truth.

The media followed Trump around like love-struck puppies.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:47 AM

53. So what can Democrats do to overcome this?

That's not a rhetorical question, by the way.

Personally I'm of the opinion that heaping blame on the media is a fool's errand. It makes me think of all the sports fans who blame the refs when they lose. It avoids responsibility for one's own mistakes -- which Hillary Clinton does not do, by the way -- and it suggests that there is nothing that can be done so long as there is a powerful media 'bias' against us.

Sorry, I'm not buying.

There is OF COURSE media bias. And candidates must be shrewd enough to overcome it, or use it to their advantage. So, again: how do we recognize and nominate candidates who are savvy enough to use the corporate media (which, as has been demonstrated repeatedly, only cares about eyeballs, ears, clicks, etc.) to engage potential supporters and voters, and not simply be used by the media as a pinata?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:48 AM

54. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 10:52 AM

55. So True and obvious to all rational thinkers...the three biggest slayers of truth who should

go down as traitors are Chris Matthews, Andrea Mitchell (an ugly human being and I am not referring to her exterior visage) and Wolf Blitzer (founder of the school of the ugly voice), and why is it legal for a corporation to do something bad for the country.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:12 AM

59. She went there!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:57 AM

63. RIGHT ON MADAM PRESIDENT!!!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 01:42 PM

69. Neither MSNBC or CNN are touching this issue...

They've all had a lot of talking heads go into other issues mentioned in the book - like Comey, Russia, not visiting some states etc.

But at least while I was listening, no hint of media's role was allowed to surface.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:18 PM

70. K&R

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Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:57 PM

72. So fuckimg true.

Hillary's book is batting a 1000.

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Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:08 PM

73. On This Hillary Clinton Is Exactly Right

Question, how did her immediate predecessors handle government email.
Answer, both Rice and Powell used private email accounts.
Comey showed no interest in going after either Rice or Powell - why?

Division of responsibility, the IT professional is responsible for the security of the system and the end user (Hillary) is responsible for the content. The one issue on content is the deletion of those 30,000 emails.

Comey and the IT professional, when Comey realized he would likely plead the 5th he granted him immunity. This has always baffled me because this was the logical end of the investigation into the security issue. He was the big fish.

Comey caught a break, when Anthony Weiner's computer he shared with his wife showed a back-up file of Hillary's email server and it was from before Hillary deleted any of her email. Comey did find some of the deleted email. Comey released a statement on one such email and it covered what the two women were going to wear to an event both were attending that evening. Apparently all of the "new" email was of a personal nature, as Hillary had claimed.

The whole episode was improperly framed. Comey did nothing to set the record straight. The media had no interest in setting the record straight. Both Comey and the media have this hanging over their heads and need to set the record straight, with an apology to Hillary Clinton. It was all very shameful.

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Tue Sep 12, 2017, 05:43 PM

74. Les Moonves, CEO of CBS: "It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS."

Despicable. Reprehensible. Reckless. Irresponsible.

But as for the pundits: Pundits give opinions. That's what they do. Some I like, others not so much. Should they be quashed? I hope we're not suggesting that.

On the larger question, as a journalist myself, what was the press supposed to do? Ignore him?

Decent people were appalled by what he was saying and doing. The press exposed him as much as it "propped him up." I supported Sanders during the primaries, but the danger of Trumpf convinced me that I had a moral responsibility to vote for the one person who could stop him, and that was Hillary Clinton.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 01:07 AM

83. Similar to Stein and/or non-voters, the MSM will never take responsibility

for the role they played in this nightmare. That being said, some excellent (print) journalists were sounding the alarm about Trump and his many conflicts, lies, fraud, etc. Unfortunately, only one or two cable news shows aired that type of reporting.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 05:11 AM

84. Trump equalled ratings;

Hillary equalled dull and boring.

Add the "both sides do it" political standard most media stories us and there you have it.

The ironic email thing was that her private server address was hillaryclinton.COM. No one in gov't who would be sending her emails would think that's a secure email address.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 06:09 AM

85. LOL...

...she knows the media.


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