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Only in America could "Bless your heart" become code for "fuck you." (Original Post) jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 OP
in the south only.nt. drray23 Sep 2017 #1
live in Wisconsin and we are by no means South jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 #2
Heard that before also in Washington state. Doreen Sep 2017 #3
It always has been AFAICR blogslut Sep 2017 #4
In my part of the South TomSlick Sep 2017 #5
I concur, TomSlick. In TN, it does have multiple meanings, southerncrone Sep 2017 #12
Exactly. " Bless your heart" is part of a lot of thank-yous. Hortensis Sep 2017 #13
Yes, in the South it has multiple meanings KelleyKramer Sep 2017 #14
And therein lies the issue theaocp Sep 2017 #17
I think it's part of the Aunt Tillie thing mitch96 Sep 2017 #20
Well, some places it's not socially acceptable. .. KelleyKramer Sep 2017 #24
Sounds like the variants in meaning in the New Yawk term "fuhgeddaboudit" Ken Burch Sep 2017 #15
In Canada, it's "Fuck you, please" FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #6
Bien sur lol theaocp Sep 2017 #19
It really depends on context/inflection. It can mean exactly what it says and it can mean "Fuck you" Solly Mack Sep 2017 #7
I love the term mitch96 Sep 2017 #8
Yankee in the south here. We know what you really mean. phylny Sep 2017 #16
In my experience.... mitch96 Sep 2017 #18
That's not nice theaocp Sep 2017 #21
One of those really useful phrases. davsand Sep 2017 #9
"high art in the south is throwing shade." mitch96 Sep 2017 #22
But it's not a geographic phenomenon. It's religious. nt greyl Sep 2017 #10
What I get down here alot is mitch96 Sep 2017 #23
Is is something in the North American soil, perhaps? Hortensis Sep 2017 #11
shh--nobody in my neighborhood knows that yet n/t librechik Sep 2017 #25
I hope that hasn't always been the case. kacekwl Sep 2017 #26

blogslut

(37,982 posts)
4. It always has been AFAICR
Sat Sep 9, 2017, 10:22 PM
Sep 2017

Granted, it's a nuanced phrase and one must consider the person being addressed. The phrase that I consider more offensively passive-aggressive is "I will pray for you." - certain people pack so much seething hatred inside those words.

TomSlick

(11,088 posts)
5. In my part of the South
Sat Sep 9, 2017, 10:23 PM
Sep 2017

"bless your heart," means "you're an idiot." We don't wish you any particular ill just recognize that you will bring it on yourself.

Actually, it's more complicated. If someone does you a favor, the response is "bless your heart" meaning thanks.

The meaning is only known from the context and tone of voice.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
12. I concur, TomSlick. In TN, it does have multiple meanings,
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 02:47 AM
Sep 2017

just as you said, depends on context & tone.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Exactly. " Bless your heart" is part of a lot of thank-yous.
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 02:53 AM
Sep 2017

Or "My goodness, she's slowing to 20 on every turn. Bless her heart." Criticism with an acceptance and recognition that someone is a person.

One element of southern behavior that should be copied widely. Taking it as mean and hostile instead of a way of avoiding being mean misses the wonderful function of this phrase.

KelleyKramer

(8,901 posts)
14. Yes, in the South it has multiple meanings
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 03:21 AM
Sep 2017

You are exactly right, it needs to be taken in context to know what the person really means

And yes one of those are a passive aggressive way of saying fuck you.

theaocp

(4,232 posts)
17. And therein lies the issue
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 10:06 AM
Sep 2017

Why be passive aggressive about telling someone how you feel? Are we fucking middle schoolers? If you have to say what you think with a "wink", what does that say about you? (not you in particular)

mitch96

(13,870 posts)
20. I think it's part of the Aunt Tillie thing
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 10:11 AM
Sep 2017

It transcends the "if you can't say anything nice about someone, don't say anything at all"
At face value you are paying them a compliment but not. So Aunt Tilly who at trys to be nice gets a free pass to diss you... uggh.. She would never say something bad to your face..
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KelleyKramer

(8,901 posts)
24. Well, some places it's not socially acceptable. ..
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 04:30 PM
Sep 2017

to use foul language. Maybe it's at work, or church, or maybe a PTA meeting

And there might be other places you could get away with saying fuck you, but the person really is a passive aggressive prick

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
15. Sounds like the variants in meaning in the New Yawk term "fuhgeddaboudit"
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 03:50 AM
Sep 2017

Which. as I understand it, can mean either "brilliant suggestion", "don't sweat it" or "no way you don't get whacked for that".

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
7. It really depends on context/inflection. It can mean exactly what it says and it can mean "Fuck you"
Sat Sep 9, 2017, 10:31 PM
Sep 2017

or "You're an idiot".

Really, it depends.

But I suppose one would have to be raised around the use of the phrase to understand that much like the word "fuck", it has more than one use/meaning.

I can make "Thank you" sound like "fuck you". Again, all depends on context and inflection.

I speak fluent southern.





mitch96

(13,870 posts)
8. I love the term
Sat Sep 9, 2017, 10:39 PM
Sep 2017

Especially when talking to Yangeezz... They think I'm being nice...
Kinda sorta like when you don't give a pan handler any money and they say "God bless"
Another way of saying F.U.
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phylny

(8,367 posts)
16. Yankee in the south here. We know what you really mean.
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 07:42 AM
Sep 2017

We're just too nice to diss you right to your face.

mitch96

(13,870 posts)
18. In my experience....
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 10:06 AM
Sep 2017

I have not found that to be true.. Than again I lived "up north" but have spent most of my life in the south.. I still have some of my nuYawk accent so maybe they think I'm "un ermano".
YMMV..
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davsand

(13,421 posts)
9. One of those really useful phrases.
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 02:09 AM
Sep 2017

You can say the meanest possible things about somebody as long as it's followed by, "Bless his/her heart" or "God love 'em!" It's a common thing in the south and in rural areas. In customer service situations, "Have a nice day" can be delivered absolutely dripping with venom, and nobody can complain about it without sounding like a total ass. All are useful phrases to keep in your toolbox.

I think the thing that really is elevated to a high art in the south is throwing shade. No place on earth I have ever seen houses more people capable of throwing shade in full sunlight. "Is that a new dress?" is an example of what I'm talking about. It can be somebody commenting on a new outfit, or it can be a subtle comment that they have noticed you are wearing the same stuff all the time, or maybe even a comment on your taste. It's all rooted in the inflection and the body language.

Tasting the potato salad you took to a cookout, "She didn't use Dukes." "My granny always dressed her 'taters warm." "I've never had celery in this before..."

Your new hair cut. Your car. Your flowers. Your decorating skills...

It's a high art. Seriously. Bless their hearts.


Laura

mitch96

(13,870 posts)
22. "high art in the south is throwing shade."
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 10:14 AM
Sep 2017

Bingo!! I was trying to think of the Idea and that's it... Throwing shade.
I would also add the slight right to left head shake to add emphasis..
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mitch96

(13,870 posts)
23. What I get down here alot is
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 10:31 AM
Sep 2017

" Have a blessed day" Don't know it's origin but its being thrown around a bunch. The guy at the convenience store hit me with this the other day and I said.. NO! He was taken aback by my response. Isn't it a Witchie/Wicken term? or is it "blessed be" I don't remember..
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Is is something in the North American soil, perhaps?
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 02:37 AM
Sep 2017

Does South America have this, or some other, insidious dehumanizing factor?

kacekwl

(7,013 posts)
26. I hope that hasn't always been the case.
Sun Sep 10, 2017, 07:24 PM
Sep 2017

I visited my mother's relatives in Texas when I was fiveish (a long time ago) ..and all I recall was chasing chickens , watching old men play dominos , drinking Dr. Pepper and the old ladies saying about me " Bless his heart " .

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