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kpete

(72,262 posts)
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:14 AM Sep 2017

potus, please take this chart to ND today when you claim US is most highly-taxed country in world

DonaldTrump
Will be going to North Dakota today to discuss tax reform and tax cuts. We are the highest taxed nation in the world - that will change.
3:47 AM - 6 Sep 2017









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potus, please take this chart to ND today when you claim US is most highly-taxed country in world (Original Post) kpete Sep 2017 OP
tim, the 'president' has no use for the truth. spanone Sep 2017 #1
or facts. They have their "alternative truth" rurallib Sep 2017 #6
Kick. dalton99a Sep 2017 #2
As a companion chart, I would like to see rankings of national "happiness" as it relates to taxes. Stinky The Clown Sep 2017 #3
They certainly have better access to health care and their people are healthier. yardwork Sep 2017 #4
Not to mention universal merit-based access to higher edication Thunderbeast Sep 2017 #7
Silly person, that's not important HuskyOffset Sep 2017 #13
Yep! Funny how that works. Phoenix61 Sep 2017 #5
Yeah, we have the worst of both worlds not fooled Sep 2017 #16
If they lower the tax burden on the rich and corporations..... usaf-vet Sep 2017 #8
it's already been happening. For decades. ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #9
++++ Agree iluvtennis Sep 2017 #19
Thankfully fewer and fewer people seem to be buying the "U.S. is over-taxed" right wing meme. maddiemom Sep 2017 #10
For a person who does NOT pay Scarsdale Sep 2017 #11
How can he just lie so blatantly like that when it is so obviously not true? smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #12
All that his audience of true believers wants not fooled Sep 2017 #17
Statistics are mostly viewpoints... TomVilmer Sep 2017 #14
But you do get so much more for your tax kroner. sandensea Sep 2017 #18
Yes we really do! TomVilmer Sep 2017 #21
Kudos to you, Tom! sandensea Sep 2017 #23
THANKS! TomVilmer Sep 2017 #25
Highly taxed? Compared to countries not prepared to take on the world?? Shoonra Sep 2017 #15
Denmark uses only three times less than USA on the military TomVilmer Sep 2017 #22
'so seldom hit by Hurricanes' TubbersUK Sep 2017 #26
He just confused that with Most Highly PROPAGANDIZED country in the world. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2017 #20
Yabut, moondust Sep 2017 #24

Stinky The Clown

(68,052 posts)
3. As a companion chart, I would like to see rankings of national "happiness" as it relates to taxes.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:16 AM
Sep 2017

It seems to me, from other charts I've seen, the higher taxed countries on that list enjoy a higher level of happiness among their citizens.

Thunderbeast

(3,454 posts)
7. Not to mention universal merit-based access to higher edication
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:43 AM
Sep 2017

Most middle-class families devote a huge proportion of savings toward college for their kids.

HuskyOffset

(895 posts)
13. Silly person, that's not important
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:52 AM
Sep 2017

What's important is how happy wealthy people are. Us serfs don't count.

Phoenix61

(17,176 posts)
5. Yep! Funny how that works.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 09:26 AM
Sep 2017

When people know they will have access to food, shelter, and health care they are happier. Interestingly, people in very poor areas of the world who live in communities with very strong social bonds also report being very happy. There's something to be said for feeling "we are all in this together."

not fooled

(5,854 posts)
16. Yeah, we have the worst of both worlds
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 11:03 AM
Sep 2017

as this country continues its slide into banana-republic oligarchy: highly variable, often sketchy access to the necessities of life coupled with high degrees of social fragmentation and isolation.

And that's not an act of dog or inevitability--starting with that evil old bastard raygun, the pukes have been pushing this society on us.

So, turns out a neoliberal paradise doesn't work out well for the peasantry. Who woulda thunk it???




usaf-vet

(6,497 posts)
8. If they lower the tax burden on the rich and corporations.....
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:02 AM
Sep 2017

and we still need roads, police and fire protection, schools for kids and so on and so on.

Who is going to fill the tax void when the rich aren't paying?

OF COURSE THEY WILL EXPECT US TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
10. Thankfully fewer and fewer people seem to be buying the "U.S. is over-taxed" right wing meme.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:39 AM
Sep 2017

The average American taxpayer is too busy with jobs, family and, increasingly, just making ends meet, to have time to pay attention. This is not confined to the less well-educated. I've been amazed to learn how many college -educated wage earners have no idea of all the loopholes available to the wealthy, that many big corporations pay no taxes, or even that what would be an obscene income tax bracket to THEM (say ninety percent), applies only after a certain high income that they'd be delighted to make. I won't even start on taxes on capital gains vs. wages/salary. I do believe, as in my own case, retirement and grown children allow more time to reflect on the inequities and to point them out to their friends and families: at least SOMETHING seems to be happening to be making the general public more aware of this long-standing right wing lie.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. How can he just lie so blatantly like that when it is so obviously not true?
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:47 AM
Sep 2017

Even republicans know it's not true because that is why they hate Europe so much. They are always telling us that they don't want to become like Europe because all their income will be taken away for taxes. He's such a disgusting liar - it's a disgrace!

not fooled

(5,854 posts)
17. All that his audience of true believers wants
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 11:06 AM
Sep 2017

is to have their prejudices and faux-fomented misconceptions reinforced.

Facts, schmacts.

TomVilmer

(1,836 posts)
14. Statistics are mostly viewpoints...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:55 AM
Sep 2017

I live in Denmark, and our government uses those numbers to rip our welfare system apart. It is true that USA does not have the worlds highest taxes, but neither does Denmark. The calculations can be done in so many ways ass seen here with OECD as source:

1 Total tax burden without corrections
2 Total tax burden adjusted for taxable transfers m.v.
3 Total tax burden adjusted for requirements for fiscal sustainability
4 Total tax burden adjusted for taxable transfers and fiscal sustainability (2 + 3)
5 Total tax burden corrected for Factor Income
6 Total tax burden adjusted for taxable transfers and fiscal sustainability + BFI (2 + 3 + 5)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdatawrapper.dwcdn.net%2F2uIwT%2F6%2F

All of these calculations puts USA in the bottom, since it compares only to EU countries - and none has Denmark in the top. What your "president" might have heard, is that the USA has the highest statutory corporate tax rate of the G20 countries - but those numbers can also be read different.

sandensea

(22,224 posts)
18. But you do get so much more for your tax kroner.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 11:24 AM
Sep 2017

Because apart from Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid, we in the U.S. are practically on our own as far as social protections.

If you're doing well or has family who is, you're sitting pretty (more or less); but for the 40% who have no assets, and another 40% who have very little, life can be frightening. Come rain or shine though, that 20%+ is deducted from one's paycheck - plus health insurance, which is hundreds a month for something that only rarely covers you.

And heaven help you if you have little ones that would like to go to college. Megabucks - unless you don't mind them settling for an unaccredited podunk U from which they'll almost certainly never find gainful employment.

It certainly didn't have to be this way, as rich as the U.S. is. But the John Birchers figured out how to keep the voters fighting each other over petty ethnic, cultural, or opinion-based differences.

I gotta hand it to them: if you can con people into giving up so much just by getting them to obsess over abortion and gay guys who need a wedding cake, that takes talent.

TomVilmer

(1,836 posts)
21. Yes we really do!
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:44 PM
Sep 2017

I just had a couple of years with blood clots and cancer diagnoses. I was hospitalized in Norway and in Denmark, and got my body poked with all those heavy scanners. First class treatments, which did not cost me anything at all -and I am totally free now from all illnesses.

Shoonra

(533 posts)
15. Highly taxed? Compared to countries not prepared to take on the world??
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 10:58 AM
Sep 2017

So it turns out that Americans are not the most highly taxed citizens. Denmark and Belgium and Finland burden their citizens with taxes nearly twice as heavy as the USA. And here's the rub, Denmark, Belgium, Finland - and most of the other countries on that list - are not even trying to maintain formidable armies and missile systems, and Denmark, Belgium and Finland are so seldom hit by hurricanes .....

TomVilmer

(1,836 posts)
22. Denmark uses only three times less than USA on the military
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:55 PM
Sep 2017

-and we are about to double that cost. Denmark are now number five in cost per capita among the NATO countries, below USA, Norway, UK and France. But the taxes in Denmark are also paying for much better welface and health, than USA does.

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
26. 'so seldom hit by Hurricanes'
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 04:33 PM
Sep 2017

Maybe, but there are other natural hazards which require spend

For instance, the European 'low countries' have had to create and maintain an extensive system of flood defenses.

They're small countries in terms of population, but they face big environmental challenges.

moondust

(20,183 posts)
24. Yabut,
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 03:48 PM
Sep 2017

how the hell are the poor multimillionaires supposed to become billionaires without tax cuts? We cannot keep punishing them with taxes! Sheesh.



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