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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould Pence be worse than Trump?
In a word, 'no'.
I would probably oppose one hundred percent of his policies, whereas I actually agree with Trump's infrastructure impulses (that really don't amount to much).
Trump is an immediate danger to the Republic. A RW administration that stayed for the most part within our constitutional guardrails would be destructive but not cataclysmic.
dembotoz
(16,740 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,237 posts)And as you say, he probably wouldn't cause the country to collapse.
Not exactly a high bar. . .
Abu Pepe
(637 posts)but I have some friends who don't support removing Trump by impeachment because Pence would get more of the RW agenda done. But the reason for removing him isn't that his politics are bad. it because he is an madman.
Bleacher Creature
(11,237 posts)If Obamacare repeal gets to the White House, it's going to be signed into law - regardless of whether it's Trump or Pence.
And that signature is going to hurt (and likely kill) a lot of people, who couldn't care less about the true beliefs of the person behind that signature.
Abu Pepe
(637 posts)But I can only picture Trump popping a nuke on someone for no good reason.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)catbyte
(34,174 posts)out of me. I'm in Michigan, close enough to Indiana to see the shit he's tried to pull there for years. There's a reason he's so deeply unpopular in Indiana that if Twitler hadn't chosen him, he'd be on the trash heap of history now. Legislatively, he would be a disaster. He seems reasonable next to President Crazy Ass but he's not. He's a Dominionist, an Oathkeeper, and creepily calls his wife "Mommy." He's also politically savvy enough to guide any manner of horrific legislation through Congress, then sign it. We're fucked either way, but I'm almost willing to take my chances that President Asshole won't blow us all up and try to hang on until 2019, hoping that we can flip at least one of the two houses of Congress in 2018 & neutralize the threat.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Both equally bad, both equally devastating. Getting rid of Trump means we have one disaster instead of two.
Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)What's so uniquely awful about Trump is his absolute disregard for the law, the Constitution and this country's established norms of governance. His vulgar, abusive and erratic behavior has given the lowest sorts of people tacit permission to act on their worst, most bigoted and violent impulses. His unfiltered tweets and other comments have made our allies lose faith in our commitments and treaties. He debases everything he touches.
Pence, for all that he is extremely conservative, is a traditional, predictable politician. While he can be expected to support the GOP's most retrograde policies, he is not so likely to be an international embarrassment or to start WWIII. He seems to be a rather dim bulb but he's not a malignant narcissist whose primary goal as president is self-enrichment. We can survive a Pence presidency.
Motley13
(3,867 posts)I'm against everything he stands for, at least we know what it is.
He is going to TX today, bet he looks & acts very presidential.
We can still hope he is thrown out along with 45.
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)Motley13
(3,867 posts)nt
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)To Fully remove him in 2020. #Remove or #ImpeachTrumpNow!
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Trump doesn't know how to get things done in D.C. like Pence would. Pence's policies would be just as bad as Trump's, but you would see a substantial number of Democrats supporting them in the interests of "bringing us together".
That's why I've said from the beginning that the "resistance" such as it is, CANNOT be ONLY about Trump. It must continue even if Trump resigns.
ecstatic
(32,567 posts)that Thump has been largely ineffective. Still, he might get us all killed. Pence would set everyone who is not a white male back decades (centuries?).
CTyankee
(63,771 posts)end Roe v. Wade...
mythology
(9,527 posts)Trump is more likely to cause nuclear war, but fortunately he seems to be too stupid to help get his goals enacted.
Pence has a lower likelihood of stumbling into human extinction, but would be more likely to cause other forms of harm due to not being such a blithering idiot.
enough
(13,237 posts)government is happening while no one is paying attention. They want us to think he's ineffective.
enough
(13,237 posts)his and Republicans' policies, instead of putting so much of our attention on how to get rid of Trump.
Kaleva
(36,147 posts)There's already Freepers who believe Pence is subverting Trump's agenda for his own gain.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)after the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief, Comrade Casino, finishes showing the world what republican "family values" are really all about.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)He could actually get (bad) stuff done with Ryan and McConnell and can put a more "reasonable" sheen on the Republican Party with him as the head of it and put the GOP in a better position to hold the WH (and possibly Congress) in 2020. Trump is a flaming disaster to be sure but, as long as he doesn't actually burn the place down and/or blow everybody up, it's better that he flails around and runs his mouth off for the next 4 years until we can get him removed electorally (plus help improve our numbers in Congress or take one or more of the branches in 2018). It would probably be *better* for him to be removed from office but it doesn't seem very likely to happen.
Kaleva
(36,147 posts)Willie Pep
(841 posts)Pence would get along with the Congressional Republicans better than Trump and would probably get a lot of terrible legislation passed. Also, Pence would be characterized by the media as a reasonable Republican and this would lull many people into a false sense of security. As bad as Trump is he has galvanized a lot of people who didn't care about politics before and this can be good for the Democrats if we can harness this energy and get these people to the polls.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)than Syphilis.
rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)jrthin
(4,825 posts)He appeared in human guise.
Abu Pepe
(637 posts)molests children in his spare time.
Or a high School football coach whose son has to stay in the closet till he's grown and out of the house.
jrthin
(4,825 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Penis is very sneaky he would do something and we wouldn't know until it's too late
Luz
(769 posts)distraction. Wouldn't suprise me.
Casprings
(347 posts)Trump will get nothing domestically done, but we could end up in a war with North Korea. Pence will get stuff done, but you won't risk really really stupid dump shit that any POTUS can do.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Abu Pepe
(637 posts)He can serve 10 years
He wont., though.