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Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:30 AM

If We Don't Overcome This Tendency.....

we are doomed. If you can't stand to live where people you disagree with politically are in the majority the answer is to move where everyone thinks the same way? Now this is about some poor conservative snowflakes who can't stand the evil liberals in California. I've heard some of my fellow liberals here in my conservative area express similar feelings. While I understand it, bugging out is not the answer. If we further divide ourselves by retreating to places where everyone thinks the same way, we are truly screwed as a society. Diversity of thought is as important as all other human diversity. Everyone thinks they're right all of the time. I've got news for everyone. You're wrong.

Texas Becoming A Magnet For Conservatives Fleeing Liberal States Like California

There are no cardboard boxes or bubble wrap or heavy duty packing tape in Tim Stokes' 1,600-square-foot Sacramento, Calif., home. But, according to the 36-year-old, he and his pregnant wife, their three kids and their two 100-pound mastiffs are on the verge of selling the house they bought just over a year ago.

Though Stokes was born in Nevada, he has spent all but the first six months of his life in California. For most of that time, any move away from his hometown and family would have been unthinkable for him. But in the past six years, Stokes, who is a Republican, said the political climate and the seemingly unstoppable swing further to the left in California have become unbearable.

"It's the simple fact that I'm trying to raise a family," he said, before adding that he's tired of feeling like an outsider in his hometown.

He is a regular voter and in recent years has voted against a long list of proposals. He opposed a hike in gas taxes, the legalization of marijuana and Proposition 57, which allows the early release of some nonviolent offenders from prison in order to alleviate overcrowding. They all passed.

It is these types of unrelenting political blows, he said, that have left him feeling thwarted and outnumbered. And it is the reason behind the family's imminent move to Texas, a state where he believes he will finally be surrounded by people who share his conservative values.


Read it here: http://www.npr.org/2017/08/27/546391430/texas-becoming-a-magnet-for-conservatives-fleeing-liberal-states-like-california

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Reply If We Don't Overcome This Tendency..... (Original post)
Laxman Aug 2017 OP
bearsfootball516 Aug 2017 #1
Adrahil Aug 2017 #19
bearsfootball516 Aug 2017 #21
Adrahil Aug 2017 #24
Dread Pirate Roberts Aug 2017 #2
white_wolf Aug 2017 #22
SHRED Aug 2017 #3
dalton99a Aug 2017 #4
Laxman Aug 2017 #6
white_wolf Aug 2017 #23
Girard442 Aug 2017 #5
Cary Aug 2017 #7
HAB911 Aug 2017 #8
taught_me_patience Aug 2017 #9
FreepFryer Aug 2017 #10
Laxman Aug 2017 #12
FreepFryer Aug 2017 #13
Laxman Aug 2017 #15
FreepFryer Aug 2017 #18
smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #17
MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #11
dalton99a Aug 2017 #20
uponit7771 Aug 2017 #14
onecaliberal Aug 2017 #16
DFW Aug 2017 #25
defacto7 Aug 2017 #26

Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:35 AM

1. I actually moved from Indiana to Florida

I'm happy that my fiancee and I are adding two more blue votes to a swing state that's worth a lot in the electoral college.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:56 AM

19. Good on ya! Though...

 

I can't imagine why anyone would want to actually LIVE in Florida .

As a transplant from Maryland to Indiana, I do understand why you'd want to get out of here, though I have found my tribe, and Indy really is a lovely city.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 11:09 AM

21. I actually very much enjoyed Indiana

I'm 24, spent the first 18 years of my life in Fort Wayne and then the next 6 in Muncie. But, my fiancee scored a really good internship in Florida, and we felt like it was the right time for us to start our lives living together.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:44 PM

24. Hey! I live in Muncie!

 

We came here because my wife got a tenure track job at BSU.

I wish you all the best in your life together!

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:53 AM

2. What's our definition of home?

I don't want to get too deep into this but what makes where we live home and why would you want to leave just because there are more people who have a different view of politics than you do? I also think that these people are in for a rude awakening. There are a lot more liberals in a place like Texas than they realize.

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:00 PM

22. Good question. Here's a personal take

I grew up in a small town in Tennessee. My parents were decent people, but, sadly, never outgrew the racism of their youth and supported Trump. The community was heavily influenced by Southern Baptists and other right-wing strains of Christianity. I even went to a Southern Baptist school for middle and most of high school(as a gay man that wasn't fun.) Overall, I never felt home in TN. I recently moved to NYC and, honestly, I feel more at home here than I ever have in TN. I still love my family and I have friends that I miss there, but I never felt at home there.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:54 AM

3. I encourage rightwingers who bad mouth California

 

I encourage them to move.
The others I tell them it's a hell hole and to stay away.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:56 AM

4. +1

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Response to SHRED (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:59 AM

6. 33 Million People...

with no place else to go! It's so sad! What horrific crime did everyone there commit to be exiled there?

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Response to SHRED (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:00 PM

23. CA is an AMAZING place.

I visited San Francisco and fell in love. If I can ever afford it, I'd move there. It was wonderful.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 09:56 AM

5. I grew up in Missouri. I felt like a foreigner there even though I'd never lived anywhere else.

Life is too short to live among people you have little in common with and who hold beliefs you find pernicious.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:07 AM

7. I have no problem with "conservative self deportation.

They are useless. They are dead weight.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:16 AM

9. This kinda sucks. I like hanging around people with different opinions

 

DU itself is not very tolerant of differing opinions and the echo chamber is getting kind of sad.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:17 AM

10. Na Na Na Na - Na Na Na Na - hey hey hey - goodbye!

When liberal Democrats start burning crosses on conservatives' lawns, I will have some sympathy.

They have been driving people of color, Jews and LGBT from their communities for decades. I have ZERO argument eith those who choose to leave oppressive local conditions.

That being said, I also wish that we could tolerate different views as a society... but when they burn down your house and set up lawn chairs to watch - as happened recently with a gay family, it's probably time to move.

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:25 AM

12. Is It Your Premise...

that California is an oppressive state? Is it your contention that all conservatives are racists and bigots? You're talking about the fringes of thought and behavior. That's quite different than what this article is about. That's the danger of this approach.

"I think instead of just trying to kind of put together pockets of like-minded, I would think energy is better spent trying to figure out how to live and exist together and find productive solutions going forward versus insulating yourself from different thoughts and ideologies."

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Response to Laxman (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:28 AM

13. Not at all, quite the opposite. I'm surprised you read my respeonse that way,

If conservatives find protection of civil liberties, a secular state and appropriate enforcement of anti-discrimination laws oppressive, they are welcome to leave.

I certainly don't.

Hope that answers your question.

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:50 AM

15. I've Got You....

I would wish they wouldn't leave because I believe that the points you make above will eventually become unifying principals (and the fact that they aren't now is disturbing) for our nation. Whatever differences we may have, there are core elements that should bring us together. You have pointed out some of the most important.

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Response to Laxman (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:55 AM

18. My sense is that the white nationalist/fascist project sees itself as incompatible...

...with a diverse, multi-ethnic state. Lots of the leaders of the Religious Right have been using exclusionary language for a long time, to the point where I am not sure they WANT a state of equal citizens. The question is whether coexisting with them in a secular Republic is possible - especially given the racist, sexist and Christian-only worldview they espouse - and if so, how to do so?

My sense is that the Constitution is our guide - which is what makes our current leadership so troubling.

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:54 AM

17. +1000

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:19 AM

11. Good riddance.

He will love Texas.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:58 AM

20. Depends on the location - it is a big state

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:28 AM

14. No, Texas is getting a lot of people because of the economy not because of liberalism. Notice

... articles like this usually offer little in empirical data.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:52 AM

16. Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord sits ya.

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 12:48 PM

25. He had better move out to the sticks, then

He won't find himself in the majority in Dallas, Houston, Austin or El Paso. He'll find himself in good company in somewhere like Waco or Lubbock, but it's booooooring out there!

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Response to Laxman (Original post)

Sun Aug 27, 2017, 01:33 PM

26. Sometimes a reasonable clear logic is completely

divorced from reality. The premice of the article is sound but it has no resemblance to human nature. If someone wants to live their life as a martyr for change in a conservative stronghold may they be blessed with the disposition of a monk. Living life in a fish bowl is no life for me.

On the other hand, if they can't stand being a monk in a land where politics is leaving them behind surrounded by sub-religious and pernicious open-mindedness, then they had better stop up their ears, cover their eyes and plug their noses as they flee... because facts won't change and people will evolve. They can run but they can't hide.

Everyone just do what you need to do. We'll either be better for it or we'll learn a lesson.

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