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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 09:30 AM Aug 2017

Kentucky Tea Party governor blames Charlottesville violence on lack of Bibles in schools

Kentucky Tea Party governor blames Charlottesville violence on lack of Bibles in schools
Bob Brigham BOB BRIGHAM 19 AUG 2017 AT 16:15 ET

Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin raised eyebrows when he told a conservative talk radio personalty that a lack of Bibles in schools is responsible for the white nationalist violence in Charlottesville.

West Virginia radio host Tom Roten asked the Kentucky Republican about a controversial bill he signed allowing the Bible to be taught in public schools.

“When you go back a couple of hundred years, in most instances the only textbooks that were in our public schools were in the Bible,” Bevin claimed.

“And it’s interesting that the more we’ve removed any sense of spiritual obligation or moral higher authority or absolute right and wrong, the more we’ve removed things that are biblically taught from society, the more we’ve seen the kind of mayhem that we were just discuss,” he continued.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/kentucky-tea-party-governor-blames-charlottesville-violence-on-lack-of-bibles-in-schools/
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Kentucky Tea Party governor blames Charlottesville violence on lack of Bibles in schools (Original Post) workinclasszero Aug 2017 OP
There were public schools KatyMan Aug 2017 #1
Apparently he's never heard of the Age of Enlightenment. yardwork Aug 2017 #2
Or never actually kcdoug1 Aug 2017 #11
The most hard core racist I know are Bible thumpers. gordianot Aug 2017 #3
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #5
+1,000!! AgadorSparticus Aug 2017 #9
The Bible was used to justify slavery oberliner Aug 2017 #4
This must be why people didn't drive automobiles into crowds in 1776! struggle4progress Aug 2017 #6
LOL underpants Aug 2017 #8
Ha hA. @POTUS #Trump needs a moral compass!! riversedge Aug 2017 #7
I can't stand these douchebags!! AgadorSparticus Aug 2017 #10
He has a point. mwooldri Aug 2017 #12
Great. Mariana Aug 2017 #14
That's the age old question. mwooldri Aug 2017 #19
Anyone who takes a history class already knows Mariana Aug 2017 #20
Going to disagree a bit... Xolodno Aug 2017 #29
Want to piss him off? safeinOhio Aug 2017 #13
Oh, but the Nazi-ideology is all about "moral higher authority" and "absolute right and wrong". DetlefK Aug 2017 #15
This from the governor who ended the Medicaid expansion in his state? gratuitous Aug 2017 #16
You know what else is connected to less and less Bibles in schools? Global warming. DetlefK Aug 2017 #17
That must be why nobody was ever shot in a church. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #18
Yeah Blevin. Blue_true Aug 2017 #21
That is exactly what this nut Matthew28 Aug 2017 #23
wow, Matthew28 Aug 2017 #22
BENNY HINN: Let The Bodies Hit The Floor Donkees Aug 2017 #24
Separation of church and state, assholes! Initech Aug 2017 #25
Amazing. I also was just thinking that the C-ville violence was related to bibles. NCjack Aug 2017 #26
Article 6, Section 5.......................also Amendment I Stuart G Aug 2017 #27
Well, the mostly atheist Norway has almost no violence so maybe it's the other way around? Quixote1818 Aug 2017 #28
I'll agree with you there ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #30
Right, because there was no racist violence a couple hundred years ago. tanyev Aug 2017 #31

gordianot

(15,226 posts)
3. The most hard core racist I know are Bible thumpers.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 09:41 AM
Aug 2017

This is based on 65 years of experience as a white male. I have always found this true.

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
12. He has a point.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:26 AM
Aug 2017

A flawed point, but a valid point.

White nationalists obviously haven't heard Jesus' message of 'love thy neighbour' and that 'thy neighbour' is anyone and everyone. Jesus did not discriminate on race. The Bible used to justify slavery uses Old Testament and skews that message wildly wrong. However the Bible remains a book for gender oppression, and even then it is because of a skewed understanding of the underlying message that it gets used that way.

All true Christians believe the Bible to be the Word of God. Some believe it to be infallible. However because it was written by man, who is riddled with sin, I truly believe the Bible has errors in it. At the very least, mankind's understanding of the messages in the Bible isn't truly right with God because of sin.

I believe the Bible *and* other religious texts should be studied in our public schools, as part of history classes and as literature. I think that a "world religions" class must be mandatory in all schools, with the basis of stating "this is Christianity, people believe in XYZ because of ... " And substitute Christianity with all the other religions one by one. I don't think American public schools should start putting on nativity plays at Christmas, should not teach only about one religion, and should not teach Bible as fact.

But morals and ethics classes in school? Yes please!

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
14. Great.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:33 AM
Aug 2017

All those Christians you disagree with read the same book you do, and they draw different conclusions. How are you going to convince them that they're doing it wrong, and that your way is the right way?

mwooldri

(10,291 posts)
19. That's the age old question.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 02:24 PM
Aug 2017

Going back to Christianity itself. Also other world religions... The various sects in Judaism, Islam and more. The schisms in the Christian faith... Look at the Anglican Communion, the Lutheran branch, the various Baptists. I think someone posted a joke here recently going into that topic that I enjoyed.

I can't do it. But we can teach in our schools that world religions cannot agree on the true one way themselves and the easiest way to do that is in the context of a history class. Might even find some amazing American history in there along the way.

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
20. Anyone who takes a history class already knows
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 09:01 PM
Aug 2017

that the world religions cannot agree on the true one way themselves If the world religions agreed to the true one way, there would be one religion in the world, and everyone would follow it.

Xolodno

(6,341 posts)
29. Going to disagree a bit...
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:30 PM
Aug 2017

...many, RW Evangelists have not read the Bible in its entirety. In fact, you can run through a church sanctioned "evangelism class" without ever reading the New Testament in its entirety, let alone the Old Testament. They are fed cherry picked verses and told to memorize them... and then are told that is the answer to every hostile question they get. If the target doesn't accept the answer, then they are consciously throwing their lot in with Satan. They measure "success" not by how many people the convert, but how many "tracts" they give out, points of contact, how long they were able to yell at people in a public place, etc. Why do you think these "evangelists" need to go to Bible class? As an evangelist, one should be well versed....and yet they are not.

You can challenge them on the Bible if you are well versed like me... the response? Since I didn't come to the same conclusion...then I'm "interpreting it wrong" and "influenced by Satan", never-mind the fact I've read the Bible so much, I've lost count, or both the Old and New Testament Apocrypha, the Pseudopigrapha, Dead Sea Scrolls, Gnostic Texts, etc. oh and the underlying history to go with it.... but they spent an hour a week for a few months and thus more "Biblicaly knowledgeable" than me...yeah, sure they are.

You can't convince devoted cult members....and yes, many evangelicals are cultists. Side note, on your "same book" comment, its not the same book, the Bible varies from region to region and from religion to religion. Many Protestants would probably be shocked that the Coptic Church rejects the Book of Revelation, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church includes the first book of Enoch...and prior to the Ecumenical Councils, Revelation was held in serious doubt in authenticity...but the book Apocalypse of Peter was almost universally accepted as written by the Apostle himself...but was excluded from the Bible.

The good news...pun not intended.... Evangelicals have a large turnover rate. Why? Because all too often, some people do decide to read the Bible while on vacation...and then they start questioning, with honest intent, but get shamed for doing so as if their questions were not honest in intent. So many bail. Some realize religion isn't the answer and rely on faith, which is what was intended...despite the perpetual myth Evangelicals push that you "need" this thing called "fellowship"...but others, just go out and reject everything sadly.

safeinOhio

(32,531 posts)
13. Want to piss him off?
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:33 AM
Aug 2017

Just say we will put the Catholic Bible in school. Why? Because that church has the most members in our country.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
15. Oh, but the Nazi-ideology is all about "moral higher authority" and "absolute right and wrong".
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:34 AM
Aug 2017

The higher moral goal is the preservation of the white race, the moral authority is Der Fuhrer.

And they have absolute rights and wrongs in that their racist notions are infallable and always correct.
DNA-test says you're not 100% white? DNA-test is wrong!
Charlottesville-protest results in death and mayhem? The whole protest was a false-flag operation by liberals to make racists look like racists!

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. This from the governor who ended the Medicaid expansion in his state?
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:35 AM
Aug 2017

People dying from treatable ailments is just what God wants, right Matt?

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
17. You know what else is connected to less and less Bibles in schools? Global warming.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:36 AM
Aug 2017

The number of Bibles goes down, temperature goes up. Coincidence? I think not.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. Yeah Blevin.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 09:30 PM
Aug 2017

A couple of hundred years ago people lived to maybe sixty, a 35 year old man could take 13 year old wife and people routinely had gunfights on main streets. You dumb ass.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
26. Amazing. I also was just thinking that the C-ville violence was related to bibles.
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 09:57 PM
Aug 2017

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But, I think it's because there are too many bibles in homes. That idea "a tooth for a tooth" and "an eye for an eye" and people killing other people with jaw bones of asses is making the world much too violent. We need more science books in schools and more science homework to keep the little ones away from violent literature.

Stuart G

(38,365 posts)
27. Article 6, Section 5.......................also Amendment I
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:11 PM
Aug 2017

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

_________________________________________________________________________________________

Amendment I..(of above ..Constitution of the United States of American


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances..........First Amendment to above Constitution of United States.
________________________________________________________________________________________

basically government.=..no religion....and.......that idea, "government - no religion "....................................is...............................
......."supreme Law of the Land"...article 6 section 5
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Basically...it says...(in other words)...".NO BIBLES IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS"

that asshole governor doesn't know the ..."supreme law of the land"...He has his own laws, as do others..

Quixote1818

(28,904 posts)
28. Well, the mostly atheist Norway has almost no violence so maybe it's the other way around?
Sun Aug 20, 2017, 10:21 PM
Aug 2017

Too many Bibles around?

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