Its time to boycott the pathetic excuse for a sport

[Le Gaucher]

Football is a VERY fucked up sport. I take a solemn vow not to EVER watch another game. While it will never happen, I pray the fucking league goes bankrupt.

1) players face incredible / inhuman levels of occupational hazards.
2) the league is a billionaires clique that is hardcore Republican that gave 40 times the money it gave republicans that it gave dems. It funded
7% of Cheetos inauguration cost.

https://slate.com/sports/2017/08/colin-kaepernicks-protest-cost-him-his-job-but-started-a-movement.html

FUCK NFL ..

[Spider Jerusalem]

1. Concussion/CTE stats alone make football indefensible (n/t)

[thbobby]

26. Football in youth is evil

Brain damage in children. What could be more evil?

Concussion/CTE in pro sports is at least in adults. We encourage children to not drink or take drugs. But bashing their heads into each other is OK. The brain is 90% water by weight. Imagine a water balloon subjected to comparable force.

Yet parents, schools, society all encourage youth to play football. The sickness of this scenario is emblematic of America's twisted view of life.

[Brainstormy]

2. Hear! Hear! n/t

[Trust Buster]

3. The players make a willful choice. The helmets must improve. I like the NFL.

[exboyfil]

22. I think it is a matter of Physics

You only have so much space in which to decelerate from a collision. Still several individuals are looking at the engineering problem. It is fascinating work.

https://www.wired.com/2016/01/the-zero1-flexible-football-helmet-may-save-players-brains/

[Bettie]

68. Young kids don't really have a willful choice

playing football is part and parcel of the cult of masculinity in our society.

If you are male and don't play or have interest in football, people think there is something wrong with you.

It is a coercive force on young men.

And it looks like brain damage is consistently found in nearly all who have played the game.

[Trust Buster]

84. The OP was addressing the NFL level and not children.

[tblue37]

99. There would be no NFL if children were not funneled into the pipeline to

provide middle school, high school, and college players. The NFL and NBA don't have developmental leagues. They depend on our schools to train and develop their players.

Eventually, I believe, football will become a niche sport like boxing. It will still be worth a lot of money, but as middle class parents stop allowing their kids to risk brain damage, most of the athletes who take up the sport will be disadvantaged kids who see football as a way out of their situation, as many already do. (Notice that boxing is not a "school" sport.)

Because so much money is involved at all levels of football, and because the sport is so tightly integrated into our society at all levels, this change won't happen overnight, but eventually it will happen.

[jmowreader]

116. The NFL doesn't have a developmental league, but the NBA does

http://gleague.nba.com

The NBA's league started in 2001 as the NBDL - National Basketball Developmental League, and had 8 teams in the southeastern US. In 2008 it became the NBA D-League, with more teams...this year it was changed to the "NBA G League" as part of a sponsorship deal with Gatorade. Now every NBA team has an affiliated farm team, many of which are owned by the NBA teams.

[Baconator]

125. Meh...

I didn't and expect my son won't...

I had enough other 'masculine' activities that it was never an issue.

[oasis]

4. Were you ever a fan of football?

[Le Gaucher]

10. NY Giants is my team

[Thrill]

34. Mara and Tisch don't strike me as Republicans

I'm almost sure Tisch isn't. That would surprise me

[rpannier]

43. Mara is likely a Republican, Tisch probably a Democrat

or at the least neither is really affiliated
The Mara's skew socially rather conservative. They've attended many forced birther functions over the last decade and a half
Mara doesn't donate to political causes
Tisch has donated to Fund for America's Comeback Committee (Conservative) But mostly Democrats
Lurie is the most consistently Democratic donor
Though Blank and Irsay donate quite a bit to Democratic causes
Kraft is mostly Democratic, but after supporting il Douche for President he can go f himself

[Old Vet]

112. NY Jets here........

[BeyondGeography]

5. The league is 70 percent black and the owner/fan culture skews white conservative

It's dreary.

When I grew up many more blacks made it to professional baseball than presently; the impact of players like Jackie Robinson and Willie Mays was huge and baseball was the dominant sport in the country up until the 60s. Now blacks account for about 2.5X less of MLB than at their peak in the 70s-90s. Football has dominated the past few decades. I hope the pattern changes; it will never be what it was (not least because of the huge role college football plays in all of this) but too much black athletic talent is channeled to football and there are other options that can be lucrative and much safer.

[certainot]

40. worse than that- it keeps racist rw talk radio going- at least 88 universities and many pro teams

broadcast sports on rw talk radio stations, thereby legitimizing and attracting advertising for republicans/fascists best weapon

257 limbaugh/trump stations depend on at least 88 universities. many pro teams do the same. maybe over 1/3 of rw radio stations - the loudest ones - depend on sports. many would have to drop rw talk if there was a real effort to get the unis and pro teams to end those relationships - gop would freak out, media would notice, advertisers would freak out.

ironically rw radio sells racism and most of the athletes are african american.

and guys like limbaugh, sitting on their asses, often ridicule the sissy liberal efforts to "chickify" the game.

and those local stations are always used to sell the new stadiums and the tax burdens they impose - while whining about every tax increase that might go to education, public infrastructure, etc.

and thinking americans continue to ignore it

[Ligyron]

50. Once again, you're spot-on.

If I could choose one thing to eliminate which would benefit this country it would be RW radio - which may actually be the cause of a civil war at some point.

Meanwhile it has completely and successfully demonized Democrats to the point where in large areas of the nation there are almost no Democrats and no other choice but RW hate talk radio or Jesus with a smathering of country music thrown it.

We all need to write our state colleges and encourage them to drop the RW hate.

[certainot]

57. yeah it seems to make all progressive efforts harder - up against that alt reality

it would have to be a lot of us. another tact might be to write letters to the editor or to local progressive orgs (telling them it's kicking their ass), local papers who might want to write about it, even the dem party and media to start polling for it, etc.

i think they might pass calls and letters on to the athletic dept.....

i think getting student campus groups to protest it on campus is where it might have to go, the logical conclusion, and might keep going from there.

[Ligyron]

96. Polling is a real good idea.

I believe I know what it will demonstrate.

[certainot]

101. i imagine the closest association to trump outside of 'white'

polling would give the political scientists something

[Croney]

6. I see both sides here.

I'm 72 and grew up in Louisiana football culture and now I'm a t-shirt-wearing Patriots fan here in MA. But it's sorta like all those Confederate statues I grew up around... I just never stopped to think about whether they were right or wrong back then. Now I can't wait till they're all gone.

I'm not equating the two by any means. I'm just saying that you do make some sense to me.

[Pope George Ringo II]

7. I'm not sure I can really boycott them at this point.

Haven't watched a game in years. The CTE stuff alone is just appalling. Never mind name problems, the league's clear acceptance of domestic violence, the homophobia, and that's not even talking about how they've managed to screw up the national anthem. I can't get past the fact that our entertainment is destroying human bodies enough to worry about the political stuff.

[John1956PA]

11. Welcome to DU!

The injury factor has caused me to lose interest in watching NFL games.

[joeybee12]

8. It's the tolerance of widespread domestic violence that bothers me most. Nt

[GoCubsGo]

29. It's the same with college football, too.

And, high school football in many parts of the country. The players often get away with sexual assault, cheating, and other criminal behavior. And, it's excused because "The football program brings in tons of money to the school." Except that the bulk of that money gets rolled back into the goddamn football program, and not into academics.

[liquid diamond]

81. What tolerance?

The league has been hammering players involved in domestic violence. The former Ravens running back Ray Rice was suspended for the rest of a season for punching his wife in the face. No team would sign him after that. Running back Ezekiel Elliot was recently suspended for 6 games for domestic violence.

[burnbaby]

9. I love football

And I will not boycott it. Sorry

[Le Gaucher]

13. That is your choice..My job was to educate you.

[Orrex]

92. Maybe that part is more of a hobby?

[pintobean]

88. Who's paying you?

[Le Gaucher]

95. MLS

[alcibiades_mystery]

97. LOL

Well done!

[SethH]

98. hahaha

that's funny

[nocalflea]

38. You really should think about finding another tutor.

Le Gaucher sounds a bit patronizing. And smug too.

[NJCher]

59. maybe we should stick to the issues

Let the issue stand on its own. No need to attack the poster.


Cher

[burnbaby]

73. ah

I pick my own battles Le Gaucher wasn't worth a response

[liquid diamond]

83. Same here. Except I won't apologize.

Football is the most popular sport in the country. It isn't going anywhere.

[Throck]

12. The real moneymakers are the owners and advertisers

The pay blood money to the players who may make millions but have short careers. Many blow their earnings and die poor anyway.

[loyalsister]

65. When MU fottbal players boycotted in 2015

A comment from a student who was also a former player I knew was, "they walked off the plantation!!"

[Loki Liesmith]

14. Good luck

[grantcart]

87. Perfect

[PJMcK]

15. The owners are billionaires

And the players are millionaires.

No one forces anyone to participate. Let them sleep in the beds they make. I gave up on the NFL a number of years ago because it has become too much like the Roman Coliseum.

Meanwhile, let's go golfing on a nice Fall afternoon. The walk is refreshing and the company is almost always pleasant!

[central scrutinizer]

23. Billionaires who use threats and extortion to get taxpayers to build new stadiums

For them. Plus, the NFL is so boring. I haven't watched more than a few minutes of a game for years.

[Different Drummer]

89. "Billionaires who use threats and extortion to get taxpayers to build new stadiums"

This is my biggest problem with the NFL...along with owners who, when they don't get the stadiums they want from their cities, pick up their toys and go elsewhere.

[stopbush]

114. Golf courses are environmental nightmares.

You want to shut down something, shut down golf courses.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. Good points, all... just can't give up watchin my team!

[TNNurse]

17. Saw the story on TV about the 72 million dollar

high school football stadium in Texas. All I could think was how much they were spending on protecting the players???

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. Imagine 72 million dollars spent on teaching critical thinking in Texas, let alone one high school.

[TNNurse]

24. Actually the stadium is shared by a school system

so several teams use it, just to be accurate. 72 million still a big deal to a school system.

[NYC Liberal]

63. Key & Peele: TeachingCenter

[GoCubsGo]

31. And, that's not the only school in the state with a $70 million stadium.

There's at least one other that has one now, and another being built elsewhere in the state. If only they could spend that kind of money teaching civics classes, let alone math, science, history, foreign languages, etc.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

107. Much better is Dr Dre donating $10 million for a performing arts center at a Compton high school. nt

[safeinOhio]

18. I may not watch another game until

the Lions make it to the Super Bowl.

Same thing

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. Football is the modern gladiators battles that the oligarchs occupy the masses attention with. . nt

[Le Gaucher]

20. Totally agree.

[smirkymonkey]

104. +1000

This!

[HAB911]

25. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[cwydro]

27. Football is not going anywhere.

No way, no how.

[ileus]

28. Looks like my skins are going to have a rough season

we lost several key players and Cousins can't hold the team up alone...

Looks like I'll need to pull out my reserve team (Dolphins)...oh that's right Cutler is our quarterback for the year.


That being said my son will be playing middle school and JV this year so he should have a fun season.

Love Football.

[milestogo]

71. You know you want to support the Packers

after last night.

[Not Ruth]

30. The Combine is a modern day slave auction

Saw it on tv

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/12/09/5-ways-the-nfl-combine-reminds-us-of-slavery/

[USALiberal]

32. Except these "Slaves" want to participate and end up millionaires and know the risk. n/t

[Bradical79]

44. No, that's stupid

These athletes get paid millions, and the combine is an entirely voluntary showcase of their skillset.

[Dreamer Tatum]

75. First slave auction in the history of the universe that turns slaves away nt

[cwydro]

94. Oh please.

IF I could make millions playing a sport I was good at, I'd be right there.

[USALiberal]

33. I thought this post was about really boring Soccer. n/t

[Bradical79]

46. Soccer has a CTE problem too

All those headers.

[HAB911]

52. maybe worse than football

[sharedvalues]

35. Pats fan. Belichick and Brady enabled Trump. I'm done with the NFL

GOP donor plutocrats
Killing their players
Celebrating violence
Exploiting Susan J Komen for profit
(Lies about deflategate to damage a labor union and make more $$) - you may disagree with this one, if so let's agree to disagree
Belichick declined to deny his letter to Trump pre-election



I'm done watching the NFL.

[njhoneybadger]

36. Kaepernick blacklisted, fuck concussion ball

and that goes double for NASCAR

[Le Gaucher]

37. I was never a fan of nascar ..i dont think i have seen a single race ever

so no problem there.

[hlthe2b]

39. If I were truly honest...

the only thing I ever got out of football games is the excitement and interest in watching the crowds--crowd experience...but then that is probably true of baseball too--all the slower (stop and start) sports. Soccer is more exciting, though I don't watch a lot. Golf is zzz to me because I don't play, but tennis, because I did occasionally play, let me observe technique.

To each his own, but I have to agree that football's risks are increasingly unable to be justified.

[Submariner]

41. Why do some of the players purposely dive into hard head butts

knowing they are likely going to injure the opposition? And after they knock someone out, or hurt them bad, they jump up and walk away like it's no big thing, and some make like they did not notice the damage they caused. Real assholes imho.

They should be suspended or banned from the sport.

[Sgent]

119. Intentional head butts

are illegal (targeting) and have been for a while. Its a 15 yard penalty if the call on the field is overturned on review, otherwise its a 15 yard penalty, expulsion for the penalized player, and he is suspended 1/2 half or all of next game (depends on college / NFL). In the NFL, that also means he doesn't get at least 1/16 th or so of his annual pay, and in addition often faces league fines or longer suspensions depending on whether its considered blatant or not.

[GusBob]

42. Go Packers!!!

Community owned. Everyone in our family owns a share and the team is a huge financial boon to the small town of GB

Friday night I watched one of the kids I coached run for over 200 yards in the season opener. He received his first college offer after the game, but not his last by my reckoning. Great athlete, great kid.

No dad around his entire life, but his momma was over the moon Friday night

[HAB911]

53. Communism

[milestogo]

70. I love communist Wisconsin.

[HAB911]

72. You like making others pay for your stadiums?

LOL

[GusBob]

110. With bratwurst!

OMG YUM

[CanSocDem]

45. I'm off to petition my local HS...

...to switch from tackle football to flag football.

Some of the points I intend to cover are as follows:

1. More participants.

2. Less cost.

3. Better Education.

We're more of a hockey town and HS football has just been away to feature athletes who couldn't skate but still wanted the chance to hurt someone in a fully sanctioned 'sporting event'. Unlike when I was growing up here, hockey can be played all year round and although hockey has a bad reputation (thanks to the American football mentality), the violence would be more easily removed.

There is a simple elegance to hockey and baseball and nothing but 'violence' in football.

.

[Bradical79]

47. Lol whatever you say -nt

[NJCher]

60. bravo you

More civilized sports in our schools is not a spectator sport.

If I could turn football fields into gardens, I would. Even I admit that is a way off!


Cher

[liquid diamond]

85. lol. Good luck.

[pintobean]

48. Fuck Kaepernick

He made his own choices. Fuck the owners, too. But I don't blame them for blackballing a mediocre player who is bad for business.

[TexasProgresive]

49. As a child in the 50s New Orleans

My friends and I were really pissed off that some shows we wanted to see on the TV were preempted by the NFL. We didn't know what that game was but we wanted, what was it? I can't remember. We played baseball and all kinds of running games.

[Pugster]

51. What about UFC fighting?

That too.

[Chico Man]

54. I'm a huge fan of MLS Soccer

Weekly games build anticipation (much like NFL). Zero commercials during the game other than 1/2 time. Games are over in under 2 hours. Season runs March -> November. Incredibly diverse players & fan base. Reasonably priced tickets. An exciting game to watch!

[Le Gaucher]

58. Tickets are getting pricey ..wanted to take my daughter to the redbulls game

Was a tad surprised at the ticket prices

[workinclasszero]

55. If I had school age kids I would never allow them to play football

Its pretty clear now that its responsible for severe brain damage to players.

[smirkymonkey]

106. I hate to see kids forced into this sport because of their father's egos.

I have three very young nephews. One is a soccer fanatic, which is a relief. One is really good at football and lacrosse, but I hope he favors lacrosse over football. He lives in Baltimore where lacrosse is very popular.

The other is a very sweet, sensitive twelve year old who is a bit of an introvert and loves to play with his Legos and other such creative toys in his room and has never been terribly interested in sports, but he's the only boy in a family of three girls and his father wants him to "be a man" and play football.

The poor kid's heart isn't into it and he just does it to please his father. I adore him and want to protect him and tell him it's ok if he doesn't want to be a jock, but I don't feel like I can interfere. I only hope he doesn't get hurt. He doesn't have the aggressive, killer instinct and I just don't want to see his kind, sensitive nature beaten out of him because of outdated notions of masculinity.

[jmg257]

56. Good luck with that!

[Weekend Warrior]

61. I think most NFL fans are hoping the opposition picks him up.

http://www.nfl.com/player/colinkaepernick/2495186/careerstats

[DeminPennswoods]

62. Kapernick isn't a very good qb

that's why he doesn't have a job. If you can play, owners/coaches will overlook a lot. Kapernick can't play although he did have that 1 magical SB winning season.

[liquid diamond]

86. The 49'ers lost that Super Bowl.

[DeminPennswoods]

100. Correct, sorry, but

Kapernick did get them there, so there's that.

[liquid diamond]

109. I agree with your point

about coaches being willing to put up with a lot of distractions that players cause as long as that player does their job well. Notice how Marshawn Lynch and some Seattle Seahawks players have been sitting and kneeling during the national anthem THIS year. However, they haven't been black balled like Colin.

[mythology]

118. Plenty of players did the same thing last year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_U.S._national_anthem_protests#NFL_season

Kaepernick wasn't blackballed simply because he protested. He's a not very good player who became a lightning rod. His inability to read the field well doesn't make him suited to be a starting quarterback, and his style of breaking down the play to take off and run means having him as a backup would require revamping your offense for most teams. Combine that with the attention he generates, and he's not worth the trouble. But as NFL teams have shown, if a player is seen as being good enough, they will keep giving him chances. But those run out too. Nobody is rushing to sign Greg Hardy any longer, the Browns gave up on Josh Gordon. But if a player is already seen as at/near the end date like Ray Rice was, he's gone. Yes Rice wasn't cut until after the video became public, but nobody signed him in spite of a seeming legitimate remorse, because he was an average running back at an age when running backs fall off a cliff.

[DeminPennswoods]

121. Well said

This is exactly the way it happens.

[Joe Fields]

64. Love football. Always have and always will. Go Chiefs!

nt

[dembotoz]

66. good luck with dat....up here the packers are a god

[Initech]

111. The Packers don't have central ownership.

So they're good. It's people like Jerry Jones who we need to worry about.

[DrDan]

67. YES - boycott! . . . I had a heck of a time getting Nebraska home opener tickets

a boycott might free up some demand

[milestogo]

69. I thought this was going to be about golf

[Dem2]

74. I like football

I've thought about inventing a helmet that would counteract any forever against it. My concern is that smart parents won't let their kids play the game and the sport will die. The thing is the potential monetary gains are so enormous that I fear there'll always be people willing to take the risk.

[aikoaiko]

76. Meh.

[Warpy]

77. It'll happen when minor players who didn't cash in

find enterprising lawyers to help them sue for enough money to live on since the sport has left them arthritic and brain damaged and no one ever warned them about that and the teams aren't given adequate protective equipment.

Lawsuits won't kill it off, the amounts awarded are always reduced on appeal, but the rule changes they will force through plus the increased cost of better equipment will make it more boring that it already is plus drive up the cost per game.

However, there will always be poor kids who grow up with the right body type and no other prospects who will continue to be sucked into it as a ticket out of poverty. Middle class kids (read: white) will be actively discouraged from playing the game in favor of soccer, something with its own risk level but which isn't quite as bad as football.

[Binkie The Clown]

78. It's a surrogate for warfare.

But then, so is chess. Hmmm.

I've got it! Robot football!

Who cares if a bunch of robots get their heads bashed in a contest of strength and dexterity? It could be fun to watch.

[First Speaker]

79. The Robot Rights Movement would raise a stink...

[liquid diamond]

80. Working in a slaughterhouse is the most

dangerous job in the country. Are you going to boycott them?

[Not Ruth]

105. I thought that fishing for king crab was the most dangerous job

[liquid diamond]

108. I believe there are a lot more hazards in a slaugher house than

on a fishing vessel. Cows that weight tons can fall on employees. Employees are exposed to dangerous chemicals, illnesses and bio-hazards . They can be cut by high-powered machinery. Animals can bite and kick workers. All of these conditions lead to PTSD too.

Anyway, my point was that as long as there are consumers who want a product, there will be businesses that will provide it. Just because a handful of people don't like football doesn't mean it should be banned. If people think football is too violent, don't fucking watch it. They are not going to ruin the sport for the rest of us.

[Sgent]

120. I'm not sure about that....

Slaughterhouse doesn't make the list of most deadly, unless they are included under farm workers. Even then who knows how that breaks out vs other agricultural deaths. This chart deals with death and not injury, I couldn't find an injury chart w/o requiring clicking through 1.2.3.etc

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/28/charted-the-20-deadliest-jobs-in-america/?utm_term=.dbd1a69bbac0

[BannonsLiver]

90. Season kicks off in a little over 2 weeks.

Can't wait!

[Snake Plissken]

93. Me neither, I absolutely love college football

NFL is okay too, but nothing beat Saturdays in the Fall

[AllaN01Bear]

91. i never cared for most major sports as they are playthings for the rich and or corperations

[LittleBlue]

102. Most fans who watched will still watch. The people who didn't will vow never to watch again.

Same old story.

By the way, the Seahawks were regularly abusing Kaepernick at the end. He's the most predictable QB ever. He only goes through one read and then tries to run. If he can't run he often panics and throws it into a crowd of DBs. He only has decent numbers in run-oriented systems that aren't capable of beating big teams. I don't get the attention surrounding him. He's not that good, wouldn't be a starter on most teams.

[Snackshack]

103. Football is not going...

To go away...even with the indisputable evidence that CTE is directly related to the head impacts. The last story I saw about the CTE study said something like 110 of 111 brains from former football player examined had the damage. The NFL needs to make changes to limit/reduce this damage. I heard one pundit float the idea of getting rid of helmets. This might not be a bad idea especially at the pop-Warner/high school levels. If players make the decision to play knowing the dangers they should be allowed to. Race cars drivers know the dangers involved with their decision to drive.

[obamanut2012]

113. Vick being hired made me feel dirty watching NFL

CTE coverup is why I quit watching it.

Youth tackle football needs to stop NOW.

[Awsi Dooger]

115. Eliminate the forward pass

Only change needed.

I despise pantyhose passing teams.

[trof]

117. OK, TIME OUT! TWEEEEEET!!!

Y'all are all just a buncha commie atheist gay PETA lovin' a55h0les!

Everboddy KNOWS that the NUMBER ONE RELIGION in Alabama is Southern Baptist, but the very close NUMBER TWO RELIGION is the University of Alabama Crimson Tide Football Team.
And Nick Sabin is the Pope.
(Blessed be His Name)

We send these young men out on the field of battle every Saturday in the fall to do or die, bringing in millions to the university because...

"Alabama football coach Nick Saban will be paid $11.125 million this season under a three-year contract extension that includes a $4 million signing bonus approved Tuesday by the university board of trustees’ compensation committee."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2017/05/02/nick-saban-alabama-contract-extension/101191514/

And of course there's always the outside chance that they may land a multi million dollar contract with an NFL team.
These are our gladiators.
Roll Tide.

[JoeStuckInOH]

127. Go BUCKS! (I go to Rev. Urban Meyer's church)

[Skittles]

122. I've always found it ridiculous

[doodsaq]

123. It's also goddamn boring

An average of 11 minutes of actual play scattered among 100 commercials in your typical NFL game. Who can stand that crap?

My other favorite gripe is with the fucked up morality of some (or many?) football fans. They are outraged at the sight of an exposed nipple while they bask in the glory of slow motion replays of violent takedowns. I even heard one guy, offended at the prospect of Lady Gaga dancing provocatively, proclaim that the Superbowl is a G-rated family event. I nearly fell off my chair laughing.

[Skittles]

124. there's a lot of things that mystify me

fishing, for example......being entertained by catching live things via hook - I don't get it at all

[JoeStuckInOH]

126. I love watching football. Even played NCAA ball, myself.

Lots of people have occupationally hazardous jobs and don't (literally) make millions. They face occupational hazards to simply make end meet and cover their insurance deductibles/premiums. Playing Football is a conscious choice.

I think I'm going to be on the PRO-CHOICE side of this issue, too.

[left-of-center2012]

128. Ignoring their politics ...

I like the N.E. Patriots