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sandensea

(22,667 posts)
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:14 PM Aug 2017

Pence compares Trump to Teddy Roosevelt

Vice President Mike Pence is a big fan of his boss, and on Thursday he found yet another way to praise President Donald Trump: Pence compared him to President Theodore Roosevelt.

Specifically, Pence said Trump has the “vision, energy, and can-do spirit” that Roosevelt had.

One way these two are not alike? Roosevelt is considered by some to be a “war hero” for his role in the Spanish-American War.

Trump, in contrast, had five military deferments during the Vietnam War ― but he still has strong opinions on those who have served. Trump is also happy to take credit for the Panama Canal, begun during Roosevelt’s 1901-09 presidency.

At: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pence-trump-has-energy-can-do-spirit-reminiscent-of-teddy-roosevelt_us_5996f657e4b0a2608a6bd957



Teddy Roosevelt: "Nobody cares how much you know, until they know how much you care."
Cheeto: "I'm, like, a really smart person. I know more than the generals - believe me!"

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Pence compares Trump to Teddy Roosevelt (Original Post) sandensea Aug 2017 OP
"Mother" likes Teddy because COLGATE4 Aug 2017 #1
+1 dalton99a Aug 2017 #9
So I guess Pence is willing to go down with the ship. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #2
Pence is a crybaby chickenshit chickenhawk so you can count on him wanting to send YOUR Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #3
Pence, moreover, is a corporate whore. sandensea Aug 2017 #10
baseball hair has way with these grand sweeping epigrams that are complete shit! The_Casual_Observer Aug 2017 #4
WTF, what a delusional white toast idiot! Kleveland Aug 2017 #5
after his comments Pence was ordered to undergo drug testing Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #6
Well, Teddy Roosevelt would go around exclaiming "Bully" lapfog_1 Aug 2017 #7
What Pence and 45 know about history combined BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #8
pence playing it smart AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #11
Exactly. sandensea Aug 2017 #12
Pence Makes Me Puke Ccarmona Aug 2017 #13
Ass-kissing moran. GallopingGhost Aug 2017 #14
Yeah. When I read TR's "Confession of Faith," the first thing I think of is Donald Trump. TheBlackAdder Aug 2017 #15
Yes, Teddy was a Progressive ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #17
One for the Bookmarks! sandensea Aug 2017 #18
And when I read what he had to say about "true" Americans loyalsister Aug 2017 #19
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #36
TR: "Walk softly and carry a big stick." DT: trof Aug 2017 #16
Both racists? Nevernose Aug 2017 #20
True. But keep in mind the context. sandensea Aug 2017 #25
Theodore Roosevelt was probably the greatest man ever to be President... First Speaker Aug 2017 #21
"can-do spirit Major Nikon Aug 2017 #22
Ha ha ha ha ha ... neeksgeek Aug 2017 #23
Trump is more like Teddy Ruxpin. Covered in artifical hair and doomed to only repeat a few phrases. Thor_MN Aug 2017 #24
I'm just glad it never occurred to him to sell toys. sandensea Aug 2017 #28
lmfao GallopingGhost Aug 2017 #33
If by comparison you mean Glassunion Aug 2017 #26
Since you mentioned it, sandensea Aug 2017 #29
There is one way they're alike: marybourg Aug 2017 #27
Bully! sandensea Aug 2017 #32
So, is Pence going to compare the SummerSnow Aug 2017 #30
Try the Twelve Apostles. sandensea Aug 2017 #31
Other than a Y chromosome, I see... 3catwoman3 Aug 2017 #34
More accurate comparison is Kim Jong Un, Duarte, the Saudi King, etc gyroscope Aug 2017 #35
My favorite historical parallel is that of Mussolini. sandensea Aug 2017 #38
I'm sorry, but Trump looks like he has fetal alcohol syndrome or something. smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #37

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
2. So I guess Pence is willing to go down with the ship.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:15 PM
Aug 2017

Or maybe he is positioning himself to be the new icon of the Republican base if Trump leaves office or decides not to run in 2020 and Pence does instead.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,273 posts)
3. Pence is a crybaby chickenshit chickenhawk so you can count on him wanting to send YOUR
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:17 PM
Aug 2017

kids to die in a war.

Pence is a know nothing, about everything, like Trump.

Pence hates gay people, and black people, and Latinos, and Muslims.

Pence isnt fit to be night manager of a convenience store, let alone be fucking president of the god damn United Fucking States.

What in the HELL is WRONG with people?

sandensea

(22,667 posts)
10. Pence, moreover, is a corporate whore.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:27 PM
Aug 2017

Precisely the type of politician Teddy Roosevelt spent his presidency, and much of his post-presidency, fighting to defeat.

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
5. WTF, what a delusional white toast idiot!
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:19 PM
Aug 2017

Teddy would eat these wimps for lunch.

They are trying destroying much of his outstanding legacy.

History will consume the ignorant

lapfog_1

(29,831 posts)
7. Well, Teddy Roosevelt would go around exclaiming "Bully"
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:22 PM
Aug 2017

to express delight...

Trump takes the same expression as a mode of operation.

BigmanPigman

(52,129 posts)
8. What Pence and 45 know about history combined
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:26 PM
Aug 2017

could fit on the head of a pin.

Teddy LOVED nature and created parks, he didn't destroy them!

sandensea

(22,667 posts)
12. Exactly.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:31 PM
Aug 2017

While he flatters his orange ass, Karen Pence must be busy measuring the White House drapes.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
14. Ass-kissing moran.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:40 PM
Aug 2017

Roosevelt was a conservationist, an avid reader, a military hero, AND he won the Nobel Peace Prize. And on top of that, he volunteered to serve in WWl, in which he lost his son.

Just BARF.

TheBlackAdder

(28,721 posts)
15. Yeah. When I read TR's "Confession of Faith," the first thing I think of is Donald Trump.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:44 PM
Aug 2017

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BACK WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE THE PROGRESSIVE PARTY.

Confession of Faith

Theodore Roosevelt
August 8, 1912


It seems to me, therefore, that the time is ripe, and over-ripe, for a genuine Progressive movement, nation-wide and justice-loving, sprung from and responsible to the people themselves, and sundered by a great gulf from both of the old party organizations, while representing all that is best in the hopes, beliefs, and aspirations of the plain people who make up the immense majority of the rank and file of both the old parties.

The first essential in the Progressive programme is the right of the people to rule...
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POPULAR VOTE FOR SENATORS

We should provide by national law for presidential primaries. We should provide for the election of United States senators by popular vote…. There must be stringent and efficient corruption-practices acts . . . and there should be publicity of campaign contributions during the campaign.
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CONTROLLING THE RAILWAYS

I am well aware that every upholder of privilege, every hired agent or beneficiary of the special interests, including many well-meaning parlor reformers, will denounce all this as “Socialism” or “anarchy”–the same terms they used in the past in denouncing the movements to control the rail-ways and to control public utilities. As a matter of fact, the propositions I make constitute neither anarchy nor Socialism, but on the contrary, a corrective to Socialism and an antidote to anarchy.
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PROTECT WORKERS--PREVENTING HUMAN WASTE (ACTUAL PEOPLE BEING INJURED)

As a people we cannot afford to let any group of citizens or any individual citizen live or labor under conditions which are injurious to the common welfare. Industry, therefore, must submit to such public regulation as will make it a means of life and health, not of death or inefficiency. We must protect the crushable elements at the base of our present industrial structure.

The first charge on the industrial statesmanship of the day is to prevent human waste. The dead weight of orphanage and depleted craftsmanship, of crippled workers and workers suffering from trade diseases, of casual labor, of insecure old age, and of household depletion due to industrial conditions are, like our depleted soils, our gashed mountainsides and flooded river-bottoms, so many strains upon the national structure, draining the reserve strength of all industries and showing beyond all peradventure the public element and public concern in industrial health.
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WAGE SCALES, MINIMUM WAGE, 40 HOUR SHIFTS, SAFETY, HOME LIFE, CHILD LABOR

To the first end, we hold that the constituted authorities should be empowered to require all employers to file with them for public purposes such wage scales and other data as the public element in industry demands. The movement for honest weights and measures has its counterpart in industry. All tallies, scales, and check systems should be open to public inspection and inspection of committees of the workers concerned. All deaths, injuries, and diseases due to industrial operation should be reported to public authorities.
To the second end, we hold that minimum wage commissions should be established in the nation and in each State to inquire into wages paid in various industries and to determine the standard which the public ought to sanction as a minimum; and we believe that, as a present installment of what we hope for in the future, there should be at once established in the nation and its several States minimum standards for the wages of women, taking the present Massachusetts law as a basis from which to start and on which to improve.
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In the third place, certain industrial conditions fall clearly below the levels which the public to-day sanction.
We stand for a living wage. Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations. The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living–a standard high enough to make morality possible, to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit of reasonable saving for old age.

Hours are excessive if they fail to afford the worker sufficient time to recuperate and return to his work thoroughly refreshed. We hold that the night labor of women and children is abnormal and should be prohibited; we hold that the employment of women over forty-eight hours per week is abnormal and should be prohibited. We hold that the seven-day working week is abnormal, and we hold that one day of rest in seven should be provided by law. We hold that the continuous industries, operating twenty-four hours out of twenty-four, are abnormal, and where, because of public necessity or of technical reasons (such as molten metal), the twenty-four hours must be divided into two shifts of twelve hours or three shifts of eight, they should by law be divided into three of eight.

Safety conditions are abnormal when, through unguarded machinery, poisons, electrical voltage, or otherwise, the workers are subjected to unnecessary hazards of life and limb; and all such occupations should come under governmental regulation and control.

Home life is abnormal when tenement manufacture is carried on in the household. It is a serious menace to health, education, and childhood, and should therefore be entirely prohibited. Temporary construction camps are abnormal homes and should be subjected to governmental sanitary regulation.

The premature employment of children is abnormal and should be prohibited; so also the employment of women in manufacturing, commerce, or other trades where work compels standing constantly; and also any employment of women in such trades for a period of at least eight weeks at time of childbirth
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PROTECT THE FARMER

The welfare of the farmer is a basic need of this nation. It is the men from the farm who in the past have taken the lead in every great movement within this nation, whether in time of war or in time of peace. It is well to have our cities prosper, but it is not well if they prosper at the expense of the country…

The government must co-operate with the farmer to make the farm more productive. There must be no skinning of the soil. The farm should be left to the farmer’s son in better, and not worse, condition because of its cultivation. Moreover, every invention and improvement, every discovery and economy, should be at the service of the farmer in the work of production; and, in addition, he should be helped to co-operate in business fashion with his fellows, so that the money paid by the consumer for the product of the soil shall, to as large a degree as possible, go into the pockets of the man who raised that product from the soil. So long as the farmer leaves co-operative activities with their profit-sharing to the city man of business, so long will the foundations of wealth be undermined and the comforts of enlightenment be impossible in the country as in the city.
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CONTROL INTERSTATE COMMERCE

We Progressives stand for the rights of the people. When these rights can best be secured by insistence upon States’ rights, then we are for States’ rights; when they can best be secured by insistence upon national rights, then we are for national rights. Interstate commerce can be effectively controlled only by the nation. The States cannot control it under the Constitution, and to amend the Constitution by giving them control of it would amount to a dissolution of the government.
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CONSERVATION

There can be no greater issue than that of conservation in this country. Just as we must conserve our men, women, and children, so we must con-serve the resources of the land on which they live. We must conserve the soil so that our children shall have a land that is more and not less fertile than that our fathers dwelt in. We must conserve the forests, not by disuse but by use, making them more valuable at the same time that we use them. We must conserve the mines. Moreover,-we must insure so far as possible the use of certain types of great natural resources for the benefit of the people as a whole. The public should not alienate its fee in the water-power which will be of incalculable consequence as a source of power in the immediate future.

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ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
17. Yes, Teddy was a Progressive
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:51 PM
Aug 2017

He told Congress there should be a tax on wealth. Remember, there had not been any continuous taxation to this point. Teddy wanted to change that and make the wealthy give back to the country that made them wealthy. That speech to Congress was in 1906, and the 16th amendment was ratified in 1913. Plus, we have the the issue of Sinclair Lewis exposing the meat packing industry, which led to Teddy creating the FDA. If Lewis published The Jungle today, tRump would call it fake news, have him arrested, and deregulate the food industry all on the same day.

sandensea

(22,667 posts)
18. One for the Bookmarks!
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 07:53 PM
Aug 2017

While Teddy Roosevelt had his flaws - and which president hasn't - it's still hard to believe we've gone from the likes of him and Franklin Roosevelt, to outright criminals like Dubya and King Con.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. +1000
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:53 PM
Aug 2017

Such a grossly inaccurate comparison and an insult to Teddy Roosevelt. Trump doesn't even come close to measuring up to George W. Bush, let alone Teddy Roosevelt. How can Pence say these things with a straight face?

sandensea

(22,667 posts)
25. True. But keep in mind the context.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:48 PM
Aug 2017

Teddy Roosevelt was born in 1858, when Eugenics was the prevailing school of thought on race relations and most prominent public officials had openly racist views - or, like Winston Churchill, outright genocidal ones.

The prevailing attitude on the subject also made it easier- and thus far more likely - for public figures to go on the record and openly air their private misgivings against people of color.

It's as if someone could access every GOP staffer's and lawmaker's private phone calls, and air all their real thoughts on race (NSA?).

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
21. Theodore Roosevelt was probably the greatest man ever to be President...
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:23 PM
Aug 2017

...which is not, of course, the same thing as being the greatest President. He didn't have the supreme crises that Washington, Lincoln, FDR, did. But for intellectual stature, practical horse sense, and genuine compassion for the underdog, he remains unparalleled...

Major Nikon

(36,879 posts)
22. "can-do spirit
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:30 PM
Aug 2017

What has he done exactly? His list of accomplishments seems to be lacking, and there's no reason to believe that's going to change.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
24. Trump is more like Teddy Ruxpin. Covered in artifical hair and doomed to only repeat a few phrases.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:47 PM
Aug 2017

sandensea

(22,667 posts)
29. Since you mentioned it,
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 09:05 PM
Aug 2017

I never understood why people don't just have themselves cremated.

Sure, it's for religious reasons - but that only makes that much more irrational, doesn't it.

I shudder at the though of Christ coming back and commanding the departed to "rise, all ye Christians" - and said Christians ambling toward Him saying:

marybourg

(12,992 posts)
27. There is one way they're alike:
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 08:59 PM
Aug 2017

Both have the need to be the center of attention in any situation.

Trump tried to call Mrs. Bro 4x during Heather's funeral, apparently hoping she'd answer the phone and announce to all that he was on the line.

Teddy famously upstaged Franklin and Eleanor at their own wedding, whereupon his outspoken daughter, Alice Roosevelt Longworth, said: That's Daddy. He has to be the bride at every wedding, the baby at every christening and the CORPSE AT EVERY FUNERAL.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
35. More accurate comparison is Kim Jong Un, Duarte, the Saudi King, etc
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:28 PM
Aug 2017

TR wasn't an aspiring dictator unlike Trump and his heroes

sandensea

(22,667 posts)
38. My favorite historical parallel is that of Mussolini.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 11:05 PM
Aug 2017

Both were loudmouthed buffoons who knew how to talk to rubes; both were elected by appealing to ethnic and economic anxiety (a severe depression in Italy's case); both were controlled by the very corporate and hereditary elites they railed against; both were womanizing kleptomaniacs; and so on.

The similarities are striking.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
37. I'm sorry, but Trump looks like he has fetal alcohol syndrome or something.
Fri Aug 18, 2017, 10:57 PM
Aug 2017

That or his plastic surgeon botched his eye lift. I just can't stand the sight of his stupid, evil face.

That aside, he is not fit to lick Teddy Roosevelt's boots. Pence should be flogged for even daring to compare the two.

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