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Vice President Mike Pence is a big fan of his boss, and on Thursday he found yet another way to praise President Donald Trump: Pence compared him to President Theodore Roosevelt.
Specifically, Pence said Trump has the vision, energy, and can-do spirit that Roosevelt had.
One way these two are not alike? Roosevelt is considered by some to be a war hero for his role in the Spanish-American War.
Trump, in contrast, had five military deferments during the Vietnam War ― but he still has strong opinions on those who have served. Trump is also happy to take credit for the Panama Canal, begun during Roosevelts 1901-09 presidency.
At: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pence-trump-has-energy-can-do-spirit-reminiscent-of-teddy-roosevelt_us_5996f657e4b0a2608a6bd957
Teddy Roosevelt: "Nobody cares how much you know, until they know how much you care."
Cheeto: "I'm, like, a really smart person. I know more than the generals - believe me!"
COLGATE4
(14,791 posts)she heard that he always had a 'big stick'.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)Or maybe he is positioning himself to be the new icon of the Republican base if Trump leaves office or decides not to run in 2020 and Pence does instead.
Eliot Rosewater
(32,273 posts)kids to die in a war.
Pence is a know nothing, about everything, like Trump.
Pence hates gay people, and black people, and Latinos, and Muslims.
Pence isnt fit to be night manager of a convenience store, let alone be fucking president of the god damn United Fucking States.
What in the HELL is WRONG with people?
sandensea
(22,667 posts)Precisely the type of politician Teddy Roosevelt spent his presidency, and much of his post-presidency, fighting to defeat.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Kleveland
(1,257 posts)Teddy would eat these wimps for lunch.
They are trying destroying much of his outstanding legacy.
History will consume the ignorant
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)results will not be in until later
lapfog_1
(29,831 posts)to express delight...
Trump takes the same expression as a mode of operation.
BigmanPigman
(52,129 posts)could fit on the head of a pin.
Teddy LOVED nature and created parks, he didn't destroy them!
AlexSFCA
(6,255 posts)he wants it both way, not angering trump and become president
sandensea
(22,667 posts)While he flatters his orange ass, Karen Pence must be busy measuring the White House drapes.
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)😷
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)Roosevelt was a conservationist, an avid reader, a military hero, AND he won the Nobel Peace Prize. And on top of that, he volunteered to serve in WWl, in which he lost his son.
Just BARF.
TheBlackAdder
(28,721 posts).
BACK WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE THE PROGRESSIVE PARTY.
Confession of Faith
Theodore Roosevelt
August 8, 1912
It seems to me, therefore, that the time is ripe, and over-ripe, for a genuine Progressive movement, nation-wide and justice-loving, sprung from and responsible to the people themselves, and sundered by a great gulf from both of the old party organizations, while representing all that is best in the hopes, beliefs, and aspirations of the plain people who make up the immense majority of the rank and file of both the old parties.
The first essential in the Progressive programme is the right of the people to rule...
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POPULAR VOTE FOR SENATORS
We should provide by national law for presidential primaries. We should provide for the election of United States senators by popular vote
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CONTROLLING THE RAILWAYS
I am well aware that every upholder of privilege, every hired agent or beneficiary of the special interests, including many well-meaning parlor reformers, will denounce all this as Socialism or anarchythe same terms they used in the past in denouncing the movements to control the rail-ways and to control public utilities. As a matter of fact, the propositions I make constitute neither anarchy nor Socialism, but on the contrary, a corrective to Socialism and an antidote to anarchy.
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PROTECT WORKERS--PREVENTING HUMAN WASTE (ACTUAL PEOPLE BEING INJURED)
As a people we cannot afford to let any group of citizens or any individual citizen live or labor under conditions which are injurious to the common welfare. Industry, therefore, must submit to such public regulation as will make it a means of life and health, not of death or inefficiency. We must protect the crushable elements at the base of our present industrial structure.
The first charge on the industrial statesmanship of the day is to prevent human waste. The dead weight of orphanage and depleted craftsmanship, of crippled workers and workers suffering from trade diseases, of casual labor, of insecure old age, and of household depletion due to industrial conditions are, like our depleted soils, our gashed mountainsides and flooded river-bottoms, so many strains upon the national structure, draining the reserve strength of all industries and showing beyond all peradventure the public element and public concern in industrial health.
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WAGE SCALES, MINIMUM WAGE, 40 HOUR SHIFTS, SAFETY, HOME LIFE, CHILD LABOR
To the first end, we hold that the constituted authorities should be empowered to require all employers to file with them for public purposes such wage scales and other data as the public element in industry demands. The movement for honest weights and measures has its counterpart in industry. All tallies, scales, and check systems should be open to public inspection and inspection of committees of the workers concerned. All deaths, injuries, and diseases due to industrial operation should be reported to public authorities.
To the second end, we hold that minimum wage commissions should be established in the nation and in each State to inquire into wages paid in various industries and to determine the standard which the public ought to sanction as a minimum; and we believe that, as a present installment of what we hope for in the future, there should be at once established in the nation and its several States minimum standards for the wages of women, taking the present Massachusetts law as a basis from which to start and on which to improve.
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In the third place, certain industrial conditions fall clearly below the levels which the public to-day sanction.
We stand for a living wage. Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations. The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of livinga standard high enough to make morality possible, to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit of reasonable saving for old age.
Hours are excessive if they fail to afford the worker sufficient time to recuperate and return to his work thoroughly refreshed. We hold that the night labor of women and children is abnormal and should be prohibited; we hold that the employment of women over forty-eight hours per week is abnormal and should be prohibited. We hold that the seven-day working week is abnormal, and we hold that one day of rest in seven should be provided by law. We hold that the continuous industries, operating twenty-four hours out of twenty-four, are abnormal, and where, because of public necessity or of technical reasons (such as molten metal), the twenty-four hours must be divided into two shifts of twelve hours or three shifts of eight, they should by law be divided into three of eight.
Safety conditions are abnormal when, through unguarded machinery, poisons, electrical voltage, or otherwise, the workers are subjected to unnecessary hazards of life and limb; and all such occupations should come under governmental regulation and control.
Home life is abnormal when tenement manufacture is carried on in the household. It is a serious menace to health, education, and childhood, and should therefore be entirely prohibited. Temporary construction camps are abnormal homes and should be subjected to governmental sanitary regulation.
The premature employment of children is abnormal and should be prohibited; so also the employment of women in manufacturing, commerce, or other trades where work compels standing constantly; and also any employment of women in such trades for a period of at least eight weeks at time of childbirth
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PROTECT THE FARMER
The welfare of the farmer is a basic need of this nation. It is the men from the farm who in the past have taken the lead in every great movement within this nation, whether in time of war or in time of peace. It is well to have our cities prosper, but it is not well if they prosper at the expense of the country
The government must co-operate with the farmer to make the farm more productive. There must be no skinning of the soil. The farm should be left to the farmers son in better, and not worse, condition because of its cultivation. Moreover, every invention and improvement, every discovery and economy, should be at the service of the farmer in the work of production; and, in addition, he should be helped to co-operate in business fashion with his fellows, so that the money paid by the consumer for the product of the soil shall, to as large a degree as possible, go into the pockets of the man who raised that product from the soil. So long as the farmer leaves co-operative activities with their profit-sharing to the city man of business, so long will the foundations of wealth be undermined and the comforts of enlightenment be impossible in the country as in the city.
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CONTROL INTERSTATE COMMERCE
We Progressives stand for the rights of the people. When these rights can best be secured by insistence upon States rights, then we are for States rights; when they can best be secured by insistence upon national rights, then we are for national rights. Interstate commerce can be effectively controlled only by the nation. The States cannot control it under the Constitution, and to amend the Constitution by giving them control of it would amount to a dissolution of the government.
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CONSERVATION
There can be no greater issue than that of conservation in this country. Just as we must conserve our men, women, and children, so we must con-serve the resources of the land on which they live. We must conserve the soil so that our children shall have a land that is more and not less fertile than that our fathers dwelt in. We must conserve the forests, not by disuse but by use, making them more valuable at the same time that we use them. We must conserve the mines. Moreover,-we must insure so far as possible the use of certain types of great natural resources for the benefit of the people as a whole. The public should not alienate its fee in the water-power which will be of incalculable consequence as a source of power in the immediate future.
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ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)He told Congress there should be a tax on wealth. Remember, there had not been any continuous taxation to this point. Teddy wanted to change that and make the wealthy give back to the country that made them wealthy. That speech to Congress was in 1906, and the 16th amendment was ratified in 1913. Plus, we have the the issue of Sinclair Lewis exposing the meat packing industry, which led to Teddy creating the FDA. If Lewis published The Jungle today, tRump would call it fake news, have him arrested, and deregulate the food industry all on the same day.
sandensea
(22,667 posts)While Teddy Roosevelt had his flaws - and which president hasn't - it's still hard to believe we've gone from the likes of him and Franklin Roosevelt, to outright criminals like Dubya and King Con.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I saw the resemblance.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Such a grossly inaccurate comparison and an insult to Teddy Roosevelt. Trump doesn't even come close to measuring up to George W. Bush, let alone Teddy Roosevelt. How can Pence say these things with a straight face?
trof
(54,270 posts)"Speak loudly and stomp around a lot."
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Yeah, I can see that.
sandensea
(22,667 posts)Teddy Roosevelt was born in 1858, when Eugenics was the prevailing school of thought on race relations and most prominent public officials had openly racist views - or, like Winston Churchill, outright genocidal ones.
The prevailing attitude on the subject also made it easier- and thus far more likely - for public figures to go on the record and openly air their private misgivings against people of color.
It's as if someone could access every GOP staffer's and lawmaker's private phone calls, and air all their real thoughts on race (NSA?).
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...which is not, of course, the same thing as being the greatest President. He didn't have the supreme crises that Washington, Lincoln, FDR, did. But for intellectual stature, practical horse sense, and genuine compassion for the underdog, he remains unparalleled...
Major Nikon
(36,879 posts)What has he done exactly? His list of accomplishments seems to be lacking, and there's no reason to believe that's going to change.
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)That's ridiculous! Next they'll be saying Nazis are good people. Oh wait...
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)sandensea
(22,667 posts)GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)dead, bloated and long gone... then yes, I agree.
sandensea
(22,667 posts)I never understood why people don't just have themselves cremated.
Sure, it's for religious reasons - but that only makes that much more irrational, doesn't it.
I shudder at the though of Christ coming back and commanding the departed to "rise, all ye Christians" - and said Christians ambling toward Him saying:
marybourg
(12,992 posts)Both have the need to be the center of attention in any situation.
Trump tried to call Mrs. Bro 4x during Heather's funeral, apparently hoping she'd answer the phone and announce to all that he was on the line.
Teddy famously upstaged Franklin and Eleanor at their own wedding, whereupon his outspoken daughter, Alice Roosevelt Longworth, said: That's Daddy. He has to be the bride at every wedding, the baby at every christening and the CORPSE AT EVERY FUNERAL.
sandensea
(22,667 posts)Perfect historical anecdote. Thank you!
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Cabinet to Roosevelt's Rough Riders now?
sandensea
(22,667 posts)And my guess is that Pence himself will end up being the Judas.
3catwoman3
(25,153 posts)...no shared traits or qualities.
gyroscope
(1,443 posts)TR wasn't an aspiring dictator unlike Trump and his heroes
sandensea
(22,667 posts)Both were loudmouthed buffoons who knew how to talk to rubes; both were elected by appealing to ethnic and economic anxiety (a severe depression in Italy's case); both were controlled by the very corporate and hereditary elites they railed against; both were womanizing kleptomaniacs; and so on.
The similarities are striking.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)That or his plastic surgeon botched his eye lift. I just can't stand the sight of his stupid, evil face.
That aside, he is not fit to lick Teddy Roosevelt's boots. Pence should be flogged for even daring to compare the two.