General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTax Returns are the new Birth Certificate - Ed Schultz Show
Last edited Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.facebook.com/edschultzshowNOTE: This is not about Bain, this is about Romney releasing his tax returns like all other presidential candidates have done. He cannot be allowed to slide on this. The use of the Birth Certificate notion is
to remind people that such pursuits are not unusual, and Obama actually ended up complying. So why
won't Mitt? He needs to have tremendous pressure brought to bear on him, regardless of whether he
releases the documents, because it shows he is NOT TRANSPARENT. Even the right wing dislikes that.
Don't worry about the BC association, the idea is to keep this pressure going.
You can "Like" this post on Facebook - it's going viral with hundreds of Likes and Shares
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)and it should be obvious.as to why.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)Not sure about that since it's been so thoroughly debunked at this point.
This cannot be messaging from Obama's campaign though, agree on that.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)tax returns its the new paranoid, tin foil hat political silliness. That's how it reads to me.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)People expect someone running for Potus to be an open book, even the righties are chiming in on this, Michael Steele agrees for example.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I hope this new birth certificate meme dies in the crib.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)The BC thing is just today's idea, many more sure to follow
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)We need.to hammer the tax returns without mercy.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)I'm surprised at Ed Schulz.
The birther people are nuts; those who are asking for the tax returns are just asking Mitt to do the same thing every other candidate has done for decades.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)if I were the Romney people I would love for.swing voters to equate this with birthers demanding certificates.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)Obama is so obviously an American, most people now realize how dumb it was to hound him. On the other hand as Bill Clinton says - every other Presidential candidate has offered much more information than Romney.
Romney wants to skate and avoid showing damaging info. I think he should be hounded.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Parallels to birtherism.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)between an illegitimate request (Birth Certificate) and a legitimate request (tax returns to show transparency for a candidate who already has irregularities in his stated history).
Comparison is not the same as drawing an equivalency.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)It clearly says "ARE" which means they are the same thing. We shouldn't even be comparing the two.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)flamingdem
(39,304 posts)It's not sophisticated but it's a popular response. I'm mostly concerned at this point that he can't slip away on this one. I don't think it condones the birthers, it's sarcastic in essence.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)in order to get medication or see a primary care physician, what is wrong in asking a candidate for President to do the same.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)And the MSM should join in the fight and do their job so Americans know what's going on.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)unwashed low income people that don't understand how things are done.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I object to equating it with the birth certificate business
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Tax returns are relevant.
Ongoing birth certificate demands despite the release of a valid one a long time ago are bizarre at the very least and germane to nothing but the racism of those who demand it.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)It's a reminder of how much time and money were spent to witchhunt Obama over something ridiculous vs. Romney's returns that are very relevant to the elections.
He is the one being outside of the norm, all other candidates have been transparent with returns.
kentuck
(110,950 posts)Some are taking it too literal, in my opinion. He is not saying they are the same. He is saying that surely if we can spend all that time trying to get a birth certificate, we should certainly spend some time on a legitimate issue like the tax returns.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)Even Michael Steele agreed that releasing the returns is the right thing to do. Clinton said this is the first time that only two years have been released.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)birth certificate bs is not
Ed comparing the two is stupid and steps on our own message.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)If Rmoney's tax returns are the new birth certificate that would mean he released the returns (for the time in question when he claims he had no involvement with Bain) but Dems are falsely claiming that he never released those returns or they are somehow falsefied. Romney has NOT released those tax returns and probably never will. Remember? Obama released a BC but they would never accept it as legitimate. DUH!
A legitimate inquiry into Rmoney's record at Bain capital has nothing at all to do with the completely BS Birther nonsense. To associate the two is just plain dumb!
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)For instance, what state did he file in when, what about the offshore accounts, more about his salary from Bain, and so, so much more.
As you can see it would take the media attention away from critiquing Obama an onto Mitt's honesty, and that's important or he might gain more of the vote, and with election fraud .. I don't want to think about it
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)It's HORRIBLE messaging. Seriously, I could imagine some right-wing idiot posting the exact same graphic to attack the calls for Romney to release his tax returns.
Please re-read my first post, thanks.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)You're thinking about the extremists using this and I'm thinking just keep this in the MSM and keep up the pressure, whatever it takes, because this is the way to define him right now before those big Citizens United bucks come flowing in and the MSM stops asking him questions.
I think we're slowly moving past the crazees having the ball in their court, and hammering these issues are the reason.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Concerned.about low information swing voters making a lazy connection in their minds. Tax returns, birth certificate must be silly season (election year.) When in fact the tax returns are.a.legit issue. Equating it in people's minds with birther crap is stupid.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)Once it's out there, it's out there. The last thing I want the average American voter to think is that the requests for Romney be more transparent about his tax returns are in any way associated with the insanity of the birthers.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)It's always that average middle group so messaging needs adjustment when reaching them. Wonder how Ed would respond maybe he will discuss this on his show.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)That's my broadest point, people like the concept in a sarcastic way, but maybe that's why it should be left to the "Fans" of Ed on Facebook to spread to their friends