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flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:11 PM Jul 2012

Tax Returns are the new Birth Certificate - Ed Schultz Show

Last edited Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1)

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NOTE: This is not about Bain, this is about Romney releasing his tax returns like all other presidential candidates have done. He cannot be allowed to slide on this. The use of the Birth Certificate notion is
to remind people that such pursuits are not unusual, and Obama actually ended up complying. So why
won't Mitt? He needs to have tremendous pressure brought to bear on him, regardless of whether he
releases the documents, because it shows he is NOT TRANSPARENT. Even the right wing dislikes that.

Don't worry about the BC association, the idea is to keep this pressure going.

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Tax Returns are the new Birth Certificate - Ed Schultz Show (Original Post) flamingdem Jul 2012 OP
bad messaging arely staircase Jul 2012 #1
I'm guessing you mean it legitimizes going after Obama's BC? flamingdem Jul 2012 #2
or conversly arely staircase Jul 2012 #3
I think it's getting traction flamingdem Jul 2012 #5
o hope the issue is getting traction arely staircase Jul 2012 #21
That's reasonable, I think the point is to push for the returns flamingdem Jul 2012 #25
oh dont get me wrong arely staircase Jul 2012 #30
Bring the un-recs back, please. This is a stupid, stupid meme. pnwmom Jul 2012 #4
i know arely staircase Jul 2012 #6
Well some people can parse information and some cannot flamingdem Jul 2012 #10
so lets not draw arely staircase Jul 2012 #19
As Kentuck pointed out here the point is not equivalency but to make a comparison flamingdem Jul 2012 #22
But it doesn't make a comparison RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #27
Of course he should be hounded. And that's why this isn't similar to the birth certificate issue. pnwmom Jul 2012 #34
agree. Not a good meme. maddezmom Jul 2012 #7
I am not sure about that, I think it's a way to publicize how he's holding back on his taxes flamingdem Jul 2012 #8
Uh, no. This isn't a good message. n/t Avalux Jul 2012 #9
I have to show my tax return and disclose my bank accounts Downwinder Jul 2012 #11
I think that you're right, it's a no brainer that he should be transparent flamingdem Jul 2012 #13
But what do I know. I'm just one of those Downwinder Jul 2012 #35
nothing arely staircase Jul 2012 #20
Strongly disagree. CakeGrrl Jul 2012 #12
Thank you for understanding it's not a statement of equivalency flamingdem Jul 2012 #14
I agree. kentuck Jul 2012 #17
Thank-you for seeing that part - that this is a legitimate request flamingdem Jul 2012 #18
yes tax returns are relevant arely staircase Jul 2012 #23
Not hardly! RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #15
The association is not with his time at Bain it's about unreleased tax returns that could be damning flamingdem Jul 2012 #16
Whether it's about Bain has nothing to do with my point RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #24
I think we're concerned about different audiences consuming this info flamingdem Jul 2012 #26
im arely staircase Jul 2012 #28
Exactly! (nt) RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #31
Kinda hard to control who sees it RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #29
Now I understand you better flamingdem Jul 2012 #32
Meanwhile the number of "likes" on that post have doubled! flamingdem Jul 2012 #33

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
2. I'm guessing you mean it legitimizes going after Obama's BC?
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:16 PM
Jul 2012

Not sure about that since it's been so thoroughly debunked at this point.

This cannot be messaging from Obama's campaign though, agree on that.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
3. or conversly
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:18 PM
Jul 2012

tax returns its the new paranoid, tin foil hat political silliness. That's how it reads to me.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
5. I think it's getting traction
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jul 2012

People expect someone running for Potus to be an open book, even the righties are chiming in on this, Michael Steele agrees for example.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
25. That's reasonable, I think the point is to push for the returns
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:12 PM
Jul 2012

The BC thing is just today's idea, many more sure to follow

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
4. Bring the un-recs back, please. This is a stupid, stupid meme.
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jul 2012

I'm surprised at Ed Schulz.

The birther people are nuts; those who are asking for the tax returns are just asking Mitt to do the same thing every other candidate has done for decades.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
6. i know
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jul 2012

if I were the Romney people I would love for.swing voters to equate this with birthers demanding certificates.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
10. Well some people can parse information and some cannot
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jul 2012

Obama is so obviously an American, most people now realize how dumb it was to hound him. On the other hand as Bill Clinton says - every other Presidential candidate has offered much more information than Romney.

Romney wants to skate and avoid showing damaging info. I think he should be hounded.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
22. As Kentuck pointed out here the point is not equivalency but to make a comparison
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:09 PM
Jul 2012

between an illegitimate request (Birth Certificate) and a legitimate request (tax returns to show transparency for a candidate who already has irregularities in his stated history).

Comparison is not the same as drawing an equivalency.

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
27. But it doesn't make a comparison
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:16 PM
Jul 2012

It clearly says "ARE" which means they are the same thing. We shouldn't even be comparing the two.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
34. Of course he should be hounded. And that's why this isn't similar to the birth certificate issue.
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:55 PM
Jul 2012

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
8. I am not sure about that, I think it's a way to publicize how he's holding back on his taxes
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:27 PM
Jul 2012

It's not sophisticated but it's a popular response. I'm mostly concerned at this point that he can't slip away on this one. I don't think it condones the birthers, it's sarcastic in essence.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
11. I have to show my tax return and disclose my bank accounts
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:30 PM
Jul 2012

in order to get medication or see a primary care physician, what is wrong in asking a candidate for President to do the same.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
13. I think that you're right, it's a no brainer that he should be transparent
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jul 2012

And the MSM should join in the fight and do their job so Americans know what's going on.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
35. But what do I know. I'm just one of those
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 07:23 PM
Jul 2012

unwashed low income people that don't understand how things are done.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
12. Strongly disagree.
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:33 PM
Jul 2012

Tax returns are relevant.

Ongoing birth certificate demands despite the release of a valid one a long time ago are bizarre at the very least and germane to nothing but the racism of those who demand it.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
14. Thank you for understanding it's not a statement of equivalency
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:40 PM
Jul 2012

It's a reminder of how much time and money were spent to witchhunt Obama over something ridiculous vs. Romney's returns that are very relevant to the elections.

He is the one being outside of the norm, all other candidates have been transparent with returns.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
17. I agree.
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jul 2012

Some are taking it too literal, in my opinion. He is not saying they are the same. He is saying that surely if we can spend all that time trying to get a birth certificate, we should certainly spend some time on a legitimate issue like the tax returns.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
18. Thank-you for seeing that part - that this is a legitimate request
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:03 PM
Jul 2012

Even Michael Steele agreed that releasing the returns is the right thing to do. Clinton said this is the first time that only two years have been released.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
23. yes tax returns are relevant
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:10 PM
Jul 2012

birth certificate bs is not

Ed comparing the two is stupid and steps on our own message.

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
15. Not hardly!
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:51 PM
Jul 2012

If Rmoney's tax returns are the new birth certificate that would mean he released the returns (for the time in question when he claims he had no involvement with Bain) but Dems are falsely claiming that he never released those returns or they are somehow falsefied. Romney has NOT released those tax returns and probably never will. Remember? Obama released a BC but they would never accept it as legitimate. DUH!

A legitimate inquiry into Rmoney's record at Bain capital has nothing at all to do with the completely BS Birther nonsense. To associate the two is just plain dumb!

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
16. The association is not with his time at Bain it's about unreleased tax returns that could be damning
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jul 2012

For instance, what state did he file in when, what about the offshore accounts, more about his salary from Bain, and so, so much more.

As you can see it would take the media attention away from critiquing Obama an onto Mitt's honesty, and that's important or he might gain more of the vote, and with election fraud .. I don't want to think about it

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
24. Whether it's about Bain has nothing to do with my point
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jul 2012

It's HORRIBLE messaging. Seriously, I could imagine some right-wing idiot posting the exact same graphic to attack the calls for Romney to release his tax returns.

Please re-read my first post, thanks.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
26. I think we're concerned about different audiences consuming this info
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:15 PM
Jul 2012

You're thinking about the extremists using this and I'm thinking just keep this in the MSM and keep up the pressure, whatever it takes, because this is the way to define him right now before those big Citizens United bucks come flowing in and the MSM stops asking him questions.

I think we're slowly moving past the crazees having the ball in their court, and hammering these issues are the reason.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
28. im
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:19 PM
Jul 2012

Concerned.about low information swing voters making a lazy connection in their minds. Tax returns, birth certificate must be silly season (election year.) When in fact the tax returns are.a.legit issue. Equating it in people's minds with birther crap is stupid.

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
29. Kinda hard to control who sees it
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jul 2012

Once it's out there, it's out there. The last thing I want the average American voter to think is that the requests for Romney be more transparent about his tax returns are in any way associated with the insanity of the birthers.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
32. Now I understand you better
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:31 PM
Jul 2012

It's always that average middle group so messaging needs adjustment when reaching them. Wonder how Ed would respond maybe he will discuss this on his show.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
33. Meanwhile the number of "likes" on that post have doubled!
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 05:33 PM
Jul 2012

That's my broadest point, people like the concept in a sarcastic way, but maybe that's why it should be left to the "Fans" of Ed on Facebook to spread to their friends

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