In light of recent events, I think the division between Dems and people like Susan Sarandon

[DanTex]

is counterproductive.

So, when Susan Sarandon/Jill Stein/etc finally say "holy crap, I was totally wrong that Trump was the 'lesser evil,' I didn't realize he was an actual Nazi sympathizer," I will happily accept their apology and join forces to combat the GOP.

[shraby]

1. I think on jill stein's part, she deliberately ran to help trump win. She was at the same

dinner mike flynn and putin were that flynn got in trouble for.

Without capitals because they don't deserve it.

[Angry Dragon]

4. I wonder if Trump donated money to her

[AlexSFCA]

26. Jill got funded through putin

[Angry Dragon]

36. same thing

[DanTex]

5. It's obvious that she did.

First of all, everyone including her knew that her run could only have the effect of helping Trump win. It wasn't a side effect. So just from basic facts, it's clear that's what she wanted.

And on top of that, her anti-Clinton rhetoric left no doubt that her intention was to try to elect Trump.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Those people are counterproductive. Nothing tangable is going to please them.

The porridge is always too hot or too cold.

[Blue_true]

23. Exactly. Screw them. nt

[Greybnk48]

3. Jill Stein works for Putin, Susan Sarandon does not.

Susan's forgiven, at least by me. Jill Stein is an enemy of the State.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696

[brush]

8. Why would you forgive Surandon? She's a repeat offender, having also voted for Nader in 2000

IMO she one of those "look at me, I'm so different" attention seekers.

[stevenleser]

11. There is that bunch of people who cannot be honest with themselves let alone other people that

voting for Nader or Stein (or both) enabled George W. Bush and Trump.

They will employ all kinds of defense mechanisms and silly justifications to avoid acknowledging the truth. There are even some folks here that will do that. Most of that crowd left for JPR but there are still some left.

Among various other issues, Sarandon is one of those folks that insists on lying to herself and others.

[BannonsLiver]

14. She also got it wrong in 2008

She was a hard core Edwards supporter until the bitter end. She also supported him in 2004. Come to think of it, Susie has never backed the eventual dem nominee as far as i can tell.

[Orrex]

16. She'll probably help elect Pence in '20 and Cruz/Rubio in '28

[NurseJackie]

13. What has she done to earn forgiveness? Is she contrite? Did she admit a mistake? Did she apologize?

Or is there some other reason you feel sympathetic toward her?

[lunamagica]

30. Right. She has shown no remorse

[Angry Dragon]

15. read it ........... interesting ....... I thought Gorbachev was dead

[Raine1967]

67. Why?

did she ask for forgiveness?

[Agschmid]

6. They never will say "he wasn't the lesser of two evils"

Don't hold your breath because you'll die.

[Bladewire]

7. Video of her saying Trump is likely best choice...

Dad - angry at this

[DanTex]

10. That video looks so much crazier with hindsight.

"She's not authentic"
"She doesn't even want to fight for $15"
"What difference does it make?"
"Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately"

My god. And now we have actual Nazis marching in the streets with the president's blessing.

[Bladewire]

60. And Susan Sarandon is nowhere to be found

She wanted a revolution... where is she? Shes not speaking out niw. She's not leading anyone or showing up at any rallies. Ghost

[wryter2000]

19. Why do we listen to actors, anyway?

What makes her opinion more valuable than mine?

[lunamagica]

31. Thank you for posting that. Perhaps some will see why so mahy of us despise her

I didn't care for her much before that because she was a a Naderite, but to see he doubling-down in such a selfish, entitled way...I just despise her, and to me she's another deplorable.

Oh, I just remembered...she started to disgust me when she tried to lecture Dolores Huerta on migrant workers rights...

[Me.]

9. What Division?

Who considers her a Dem?

[WhiteTara]

12. Susan has never decried her first foray into divisive politics

She never said, "holy crap, I was wrong about Bush and my pushing Nadir"

I doubt she will see the light, even on her deathbed.

[wryter2000]

17. If they will

I don't see them coming around, but I'll take any help to get rid of this abomination and/or prevent another one.

[shanny]

18. ...

[Turn CO Blue]

20. I'd forgive Susan long before I ever forgive a FAILURE like David Brock

And yet forgiveness flowed like water for David Brock all over Washington DC and even on DU -- , even though he was the SINGLE SOURCE for 90% of all the zombie lies about Hillary long ago.

I have a lot of questions for David Brock and his organizations and his army of online paid posters and shills.

the main question -- WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO???? Where is the fucking money????

His groups didn't stage ANY memorable counters to the Russian propaganda.
They didn't put out ANY memorable counters to Comey, to the email slanders, to all the misinformation.

He had millions and millions of dollars to CORRECT THE RECORD - and he failed utterly.

Fuck him.

[Downtown Hound]

22. One big difference is David Brock actually wrote a book admitting how wrong he was

Susan just sits in her mansion and continues to preach her ignorance.

[Turn CO Blue]

27. Yes, that much is true. Hmmm.

Susan has done a lot of work on behalf of prisoners and the death penalty though, which is one area I appreciate her for.

Jill Stein, I don't have any use for her and her campaign now seems to have been a fairly obvious Russian-funded active measure. Her public speaking skills give her away as a flake and a drip.

[lunamagica]

33. Yeah well, helping to elect Bush and trump is the worst thing that can happen to prisioners

and the death penalty.

Didn't bush as governor execute a record number of people? Yet Sarandon kept proclaiming that there was no difference between bush and Gore.

[Turn CO Blue]

37. Listen, you'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger Al Gore fan than me

but he did seem like a ghoul on the only issue he got animated over back then was EXPANDING the death penalty to include 60 additional crimes during the big ol' misguided Democratic "law and order" phase in the late 90s.

I mean, that is just a stance of his (and I guessing next) that she took that too personally what with all of the work on the death penalty she and the nuns and groups were doing.

And now opposition to the death penalty (state and/or federal) is seen as a Democratic plank made out of cement.

I have a couple of e-folders full of newsclips and photos of Al Gore. I am a huge fan. But he WAS wrong-headed about that. He just was.

[lunamagica]

47. So they were the same?

And I could not disagree with you more that the "death penalty was the only issue he got animated over".

I don't understand, if you believe this of him, why are you "a huge fan" and the biggest Al Gore fan?

[Turn CO Blue]

48. That's not a good argument with me

For one, I don't look for purity or perfection in anyone (not my hubby, friends, family) nor for 100% perfection in my candidates or public leaders. I just hope they line up with the majority (most) of the planks of the party, if not all. Mainly I hope for good hearts and moral fiber/character.

The reason that I can move past Al Gore for not agreeing with a few progressives at the time on federal crime sentencing - - is his stance was the stance of the "tough on crime" advice being shoved down the throats of the ENTIRE Dem party at the time by the DLC faction of the party in the 90s to try to win over law and order suburbanites or whatever.

And I can get over a pol not agreeing on every single policy or political issue (especially going back in time) -- because we ALL disagree from time to time on a few policies and issues and we all change from time to time. We all on the left are open to new information over the months/years or as the finer points of debate and influence march along -- find ourselves occasionally on the wrong side of a policy or stance and we evolve (think Obama and Hillary Clinton evolution on gay marriage as a prime example. Think Iraq war vote.)

To my original point, what David Brock did that put him beyond the pale (forever) for me was make his name and his fortune on the complete and utter character assassination and mockery of the non-office-holding spouse of a Dem politician (meaning before she held office) and did it with lies on top of lies. I said in the first paragraph I look for good hearts and strength of character. So later, Brock wrote a book to apologize. And made his name and fortune all over again in this past election. Weird. It is almost like he is drawn to attention and vast sums of money. Weird.

[lunamagica]

58. Who talked about purity? I never talked about that, and I don't believe I will

ever agree 100% with any candidate.

But saying "he did seem like a ghoul on the only issue he got animated over back then was EXPANDING the death penalty"? That is a far, far cry from a "purity" issue "a ghoul' who ONLY got excited by the death penalty? That's big. and That's not the Al Gore I know and supported.

[melman]

29. Yes

David Brock kickstarted the whole impeachment fiasco! I'll never understand how people can just let that go.

[Demsrule86]

45. David Brock did not actively promote a third party candidate...I would

never forgive Susan...blood on her check your privilege entitled hands.

[Downtown Hound]

21. Only problem with your premise is that Susan, in her extreme comfort,

safe from all the consequences of Trump's rule, will never make such an admission. She's a pathetic, dunce of a human being and as far as I'm concerned no better than the people she claims to loathe.

[Raine1967]

24. Have they done that?

I am not interested in giving them a pre-forgiveness for something some people want them to say.

And even if they do, I am not really sure I am ready to be told we need a kumbaya moment.

I want to hear the words they say.

Sorry, DanTex -- I am not on board with this OP.

[Expecting Rain]

25. Susan Sarandon is getting precisely what she wanted in Donald Trump.

She understood who and what he is when helped him win.

She reasons Donald Trump will "bring on the revolution."

Susan Sarandon/Jill Stein/etc want to take this country down a very dark path. Fuck 'em!




.

[6000eliot]

28. Fuck Susan Sarandon and fuck Jill Stein

They both helped bring us to this.

[OnDoutside]

38. The Voice of Sanity. Thank you.

[Paladin]

40. X 1000. To hell with both of them. (nt)

[rockfordfile]

32. No.

[lunamagica]

34. Double, triple, a million times NO

[dgauss]

35. Interesting thread about how the division between Dems and people like Susan Sarandon

is counterproductive.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Reminder to players in the "take a shot every time Susan Sarandon is mentioned" DU drinking game

please, please get a designated driver. And stay hydrated.

[DanTex]

53. Or maybe a hit. After all, legalizing weed is all that matters, as we all know...

[Warren DeMontague]

56. cool story, bro!

Got any clever, snarky comments regarding Senator Booker's current list of priorities?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/01/cory-booker-puts-marijuana-legalization-at-the-center-of-his-new-racial-justice-bil/?utm_term=.d99e88703159


Maybe something about jambands-- or a good bong joke?

[DanTex]

63. Nothing as clever as "cool story bro". That's the bomb diggity! Peace out, I gotta jet!

[Warren DeMontague]

64. Well, I'm sorry that you think Sen. Booker and I waste our time on irrelevant political frivolities

like marijuana legalization, when we could be laser-focused on pressing global emergencies like what a 70 year old actress said last year.

[DanTex]

66. No need to apologize. After all, nothing says "serious policy discussion" like "cool story bro".

Although your comment about Susan Sarandon's age comes pretty close.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. "legalizing weed is all that matters" .... "cool story, bro"

I gave that comment the exact level of derpitude it deserved, in response.

Now, come on, lets hear how Cory Booker is some off-the-wall member of the fringe, "obsessed" with legal weed, since, you know, that's what he was talking about last week.

Explain how if he was serious he would be on all the news shows banging his fists on Chris Matthews' desk, cursing that foul Susan Sarandon and her foul Susan Sarandon-y ways.

[DanTex]

69. So backing away from the "70 year old actress" thing. Yeah, I agree, good move.

You wouldn't want to imply that if she was 30 instead of 70, then her opinions stated on national TV would be worthy of rebutting. That wouldn't look so good. Not at all.

Cory Booker? I think he's great. Unlike Susan Sarandon, he voted for Hillary last fall.

[Warren DeMontague]

70. She's a 70 year old actress. That's a fact. I'll say it again. She's 70. There's no judgment there.

I'm not sitting here in thread after thread attacking Susan Sarandon. Does she even read DU, anyway?

No, what's smart is you trying to change the subject from clowinishly trying to pretend that marijuana legalization implies "not being serious" in the middle of a thread you started that is all about obsessing over a Hollywood figure's statements from last year.

And yes, she's 70 years old. She should be proud of being 70 years old. She kicks ass, still, still out there working. I don't agree with all her statements, but she's smart and witty and looks good, too.

Why do you assume 70 years old is an insult?

[DanTex]

71. LOL. Curious that you brought up her age out of the blue. I mean, play dumb, sure.

But for the everyone else, please, explain. Why did you bring up her age? What does that have to do with anything?

[Warren DeMontague]

72. Why did you bring up marijuana legalization?

What does THAT have to do with anything?

[DanTex]

73. Because that is your obsession. Now back to the "70 year old actress" thing. Is there an answer?

[Warren DeMontague]

74. is it Cory Booker's obsession, too?

Why do you somehow think that talking about marijuana legalization makes one "unserious" but talking about what a 70 year old actress said last year in thread after thread means you're having some kind of content-filled important political discussion?


Why is 70 year old relevant? It's not, except that it is indicative of the fact that DU skews pretty old by popular culture standards. It's like if there were 10 threads in GD because Little Richard endorsed Bernie Sanders last year. Susan Sarandon is great, but I think the inordinate amount of attention she gets here has more to do with the demographics of DU, than it does with how much attention she is getting from the larger world about her statements.

But if you want to make this about me saying she's 70 years old, great. She's 70 years old, there, I said it again.

And Cory Booker thinks, as I do, that marijuana legalization is an important political topic.


Certainly more important- and "serious"- than someone's ridiculous grudge against a movie star.

[DanTex]

75. Seriously? You're trying to pretend that you brought up her age because of DU's demographics?

It's hilarious. Do you even believe yourself? I mean, can you just be honest with yourself for just one second? You must be aware that anyone who reads this thread knows exactly what you meant.

As far as Cory Booker, obviously weed is not his obsession, it's just one of many policies he supports. Good for him. Would be great to see him in the White House.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. Your post makes no sense. Why would you think I'm attacking Susan Sarandon?

I'm not the one starting thread after thread of these 3 minutes hate against her.

But it's simply undeniable that, one, DU skews old, and two, those of us in our 50s, and 60s, and 70s- as much as we may not want to admit it- are not as central to popular culture as we might imagine we are. Witness the Grammys several years ago, when Paul McCartney came on stage and half the audience didn't know who "that old guy on stage with Rhianna" was. Or when the Red Hot Chili Peppers were added to the Super Bowl Halftime show "to appeal to Senior Citizens".

You've stated that you're in your early 30s or something, which by your profile means you started posting here REALLY young. ...hey, good for you. But one thing you may notice as you get older, it's hard to reconcile the fact that the world keeps moving and changing, at an ever more rapid pace. Essentially, I'd say most Millennials don't even know who Susan Sarandon IS- not a reflection of her talents or anything else, just a simple sign of the times- and yet, to listen to the amount of attention she gets on this site, you'd think she single-handedly threw the election to Trump.

I mean, otherwise, why the endless series of threads about her?

Now, as for Cory Booker, Cory Booker spent the better part of the last 2 weeks talking about marijuana legalization (by contrast, I suspect he didn't mention Susan Sarandon even once) ... he did interviews, was featured in the WaPo. Obviously, he wanted his proposal to get maximum attention and it's something he considers a front-burner issue and very important.

So why is it some kind of giant joke if posters on DU such as myself similarly consider it an important topic?

Why aren't you out there in the cory booker threads making bong jokes, ridiculing his priorities as well?

[betsuni]

61. Ha, good one!

[Warren DeMontague]

65. Yeah, Senator Booker and I waste our time on crazy-ass shit like cannabis law reform

the serious people are sitting at home grinding their teeth over Susan Sarandon.

[NastyRiffraff]

41. Neither Sarandon nor Stein will do that, ever

They're too smug and self-righteous to admit they were wrong. Dangerously, deliberately wrong.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. Hic!

[Warren DeMontague]

43. NOT TO MENTION ROB SCHNEIDER!

Despite the powerful socio-political commentary of "The Hot Chick", he nevertheless bears significant responsibility for Trump's election as well.

[Docreed2003]

77. Lmao....

Seriously, love your snark and commentary! Your levity in threads like this one keep me sane and keep me from dropping off of DU completely! Pretty sure you're my spiritual brother, lol!! Keep on keeping on my friend!!

[Warren DeMontague]

79. Thanks Doc

right back atcha.

"The Hot Chick" is actually a guilty pleasure. That movie had its moments, believe it or not.

[Docreed2003]

80. I'm a sucker for most Sandler/Schneider films...

Despite their shitty political beliefs!!

[Thrill]

44. You know what they can do with their Apology?

Stick up their ass

[cynatnite]

46. Susan Sarandon can kiss my left one...

Since that smug-ass interview with Chris Hayes, I have about as much use for her as the dump a squirrel takes in my back yard.

I always respected her work and her activism until this last election.

Never cared for Jill Stein, but Susan Sarandon gets a decent amount of spite from me.

[ismnotwasm]

49. Not just her

There's a shit-ton of apologies due from any number of relatively famous names. Now THERE's a drinking game--take a shot each time one doesn't happen. Alcohol poisoning here I come

[Weekend Warrior]

50. K&R nt

[elleng]

51. Absolutely. DON'T look a 'gift horse' in the mouth,

utterly counter-productive.

[hrmjustin]

52. I am still pissed at Nader so I am in no mood to forgive the green party crowd.

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[lapucelle]

54. Fuck Susan Sarandon. Fuck Jill Stein. And the horses they came in on.

That is all.

Carry on.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. Hey, Bartender!

[Captain Stern]

55. Fuck Sarandon and Stein.

If both of them, or either one of them actually realize, and admit, that they were wrong......the best thing they could do for our country would be to just go away. There's no need to "join forces". They could accomplish the most good by doing, and saying, nothing.

[JI7]

59. Jill Stein is a Putin troll. Susan Sarandon supported John Edwards

So she is just one of those irrational haters who like to think themselves morally above others.

[nadine_mn]

62. Nah, I still say fuck them...all their talk that electing Trump

Would cause us all to unite and form a revolution. Fuck them, they have the luxury of not losing healthcare, not being deported, not having racist attacks hurled at them.

Real people will suffer the consequences, real people will lose their lives while they get to sit back and try to justify comparing Hillary to Donald and saying they are equally bad.

[Historic NY]

76. Screw them, they are useless POS.

[Beartracks]

81. Too many Dems, tho, will just say FU to them.

You see that right here, unfortunately..

But I'm with you. The situation is too dire to hold grudges.

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[seaglass]

82. I'm not convinced they think they were wrong. If they do think they were wrong they need to

have the courage to admit it publicly. Weird how some Trump voters have been able to admit it but not a peep from these two.

If Hillary was President it would be much easier to accept a heartfelt apology. With 45 in office it is a daily reminder of those who opposed and attacked Hillary and what the consequences of those actions are. Not ready to forgive.