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kpete

(71,901 posts)
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:01 PM Aug 2017

BREAKING - Protesters in Durham topple confederate monument downtown

A group of protesters in Durham, N.C. pulled down a Confederate statue outside a government building on Monday evening.
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The statue, called the Confederate Soldiers Monument, was dedicated to the city in 1924 and stands outside a government building that houses offices such as the county manager and the county attorney. It depicts a soldier along with the words “In memory of the boys who wore the gray,” in reference to the color of the Confederate forces during the Civil War. The monument also features a seal engraved with “The Confederate States of America.”

The action took place just two days after violence erupted in Charlottesville, Va. when protesters clashed with white nationalists rallying against the removal of another Confederate statue.

The group in Durham gathered outside the old Durham County courthouse, according to local CBS-affiliate WNCN. A woman used a ladder to climb up the statue around 7 p.m. and tied a rope to it. Others then pulled the rope, toppling the statue to the ground.



http://time.com/4900779/durham-north-carolina-confederate-statue-pulled-down-protesters/


http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/local/protesters-pull-down-confederate-statue-at-old-durham-co-courthouse/464389862









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BREAKING - Protesters in Durham topple confederate monument downtown (Original Post) kpete Aug 2017 OP
More video... Bladewire Aug 2017 #1
Pull them all down and recycle them dalton99a Aug 2017 #2
☝️ into an Obama statue Bladewire Aug 2017 #11
Shoulda never went up. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2017 #3
Exactly. dalton99a Aug 2017 #4
☝️ This Bladewire Aug 2017 #6
Yep. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #58
The shifting history of Confederate monuments (PBS NewsHour) Petrushka Aug 2017 #73
Not sure I agree with toppling a war dead memorial. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #5
Are you sure we agree that Russia is worse? Bladewire Aug 2017 #7
What does Russia have to do with this? Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #9
Russia is twisting this event to be a bad thing Bladewire Aug 2017 #12
"Russia is twisting this event to be a bad thing" Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #14
Russia & Trump are trying to influence our discourse Bladewire Aug 2017 #16
Ahhh. A call for unity by accusing multiple du members of being Russian trolls. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #17
☝️ America is united against Putin Bladewire Aug 2017 #21
I wish they were. Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #22
☝️ America is united against Putin Bladewire Aug 2017 #25
Suddenly it becomes clear Hekate Aug 2017 #66
Russia doesn't have a thing to do with this. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #20
Exactly. I also defend Silent Sam on the UNC campus Warpy Aug 2017 #29
Russia does have to do with this Bladewire Aug 2017 #70
Congratulations on getting by MIRT. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #74
I never saw you before tonight, and you seem to be all over the place with odd comments Hekate Aug 2017 #64
You speak in vague negativity Bladewire Aug 2017 #69
Anything that went up in a segregated US needs to come down. Barack_America Aug 2017 #10
☝️ This 🇺🇸 Bladewire Aug 2017 #13
The Northeast has monuments of almost the exact design in many small towns. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #18
Are they Civil War memorials or pertain to our national struggle with race? Barack_America Aug 2017 #31
They are Civil War dead monuments with a nameless anonymous soldier on top. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #35
Everything must come down ??? MichMan Aug 2017 #48
None of which, as far as I'm aware of, are of the United States' enemies in those wars. eShirl Aug 2017 #61
A lot of these 'monuments' aren't that old leftstreet Aug 2017 #23
They aren't always old, but it's bad politics to go after one without a traitor on top. NutmegYankee Aug 2017 #30
Would "Anything that went up...." include the Civil War Unknowns Monument in Arlington Cemetary? Petrushka Aug 2017 #34
Maybe. I think we need to discuss them all. Barack_America Aug 2017 #36
Maybe? Would one "wish to remember" the Confederate Memorial in Arlington and what it represents?-- Petrushka Aug 2017 #44
Pretty much all those Confederate statues went up in the 1920s, one of the heydays of the KKK... Hekate Aug 2017 #63
Melt it down. smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #8
Twitter Is Coming.... Grassy Knoll Aug 2017 #15
When they died fighting against the USA to defend their enslavement of other human beings, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #19
Most of us were taught lies, not the true meaning of these statues Bladewire Aug 2017 #24
Well, nobody had to teach me that. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #67
How did you learn the meaning of the statues without being taught? Bladewire Aug 2017 #72
As I said, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #75
Grabbing the popcorn right now in anticipation of what Lint Head Aug 2017 #26
I'm hoping for more poetic results Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #27
That picture makes me laugh every time I see it. hunter Aug 2017 #60
this is vigilantism freddyvh Aug 2017 #28
They can't. shanny Aug 2017 #33
if these protesters don't follow the law freddyvh Aug 2017 #39
They don't now, why should we? shanny Aug 2017 #41
Because theoretically we believe in the constitution and rule of law. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #46
True, it doesn't. shanny Aug 2017 #50
What is your basis for the assertion that the citizens of Durham wanted it taken down? Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #53
The basis for my assumption shanny Aug 2017 #62
Was a majority of Durham present to tear it down? Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #65
We will continue to disagree. shanny Aug 2017 #81
So you would be OK if they also firebombed the courthouse next to it ? nm MichMan Aug 2017 #77
Ridiculous and pathetic. nm shanny Aug 2017 #80
The law was passed two years ago, a month after the Charleston shootings, as anti-Confederate struggle4progress Aug 2017 #78
Thank you. I knew it was recent. nt shanny Aug 2017 #82
local government wants it down but the racist state legislature wont let them grantcart Aug 2017 #37
then change the laws freddyvh Aug 2017 #38
How many decades should we wait for that? grantcart Aug 2017 #40
Spot on. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #45
They are already haters what they going to do now? Double hate? lunasun Aug 2017 #51
I completely agree ... Mob rule opens a Pandora's Box LovesPNW Aug 2017 #54
All they succeeded in doing is fanning the flames a little higher Henry Krinkle Aug 2017 #32
I Remember Watching The Jetsons..... Grassy Knoll Aug 2017 #42
Fine. shanny Aug 2017 #43
As an Art Historian I cannot and will not ever support this. Coventina Aug 2017 #47
Me too. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #52
IDK...this is not the way Catherine Vincent Aug 2017 #49
And if someone goes after the FDR memorial for Japanese internment camps? nt MadDAsHell Aug 2017 #55
Great analogy MichMan Aug 2017 #56
Invalid analogy. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2017 #68
I love these folks! I'll donate to any defense funds ecstatic Aug 2017 #57
Stupid. greytdemocrat Aug 2017 #59
It was time for it to go. ucrdem Aug 2017 #71
I'm fine with this, ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #76
I applaud the outcome, condemn the method. . annabanana Aug 2017 #79

NutmegYankee

(16,178 posts)
5. Not sure I agree with toppling a war dead memorial.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:06 PM
Aug 2017

Most of these statues weren't that. This one appeared to be a legit war dead memorial at a courthouse.

 

Bladewire

(381 posts)
12. Russia is twisting this event to be a bad thing
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:23 PM
Aug 2017

That's why I ask you if Russia is worse for equality, freedom of speech etc.

Is Russia worse than America in giving equality to citizens?

 

Bladewire

(381 posts)
16. Russia & Trump are trying to influence our discourse
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:34 PM
Aug 2017

Democratic underground is for us to become stronger together

NutmegYankee

(16,178 posts)
20. Russia doesn't have a thing to do with this.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:39 PM
Aug 2017

I just don't see the merit in taking down a generic war dead monument. I understand taking down homages to Lee and other traitors, but generic war dead monuments are common at courthouses across the country.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
29. Exactly. I also defend Silent Sam on the UNC campus
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:08 PM
Aug 2017

since he was a memorial to the ordinary soldier, who often didn't have an awful lot of say whether he got shoved into a uniform and handed a gun.

I lived a block away from his counterpart in Jamaica Plain, a part of Boston.

But yeah, the traitors have got to go.

 

Bladewire

(381 posts)
70. Russia does have to do with this
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 02:08 AM
Aug 2017

The title of your post is about Russia, and your post has nothing at all to do with Russia, you don't mention Russia at all. Deceptive.

The statue is not a "generic war dead monument" and you're characterizing anti fascists as random rebels taking down "generic war dead monuments".

It's odd an honest person would trivialize both a monument, and the taking down of a war monument, in America as "generic".

Democrats will not be divided

NutmegYankee

(16,178 posts)
74. Congratulations on getting by MIRT.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 05:33 AM
Aug 2017

Enjoy your stay...while it lasts.


In the meantime, welcome to ignore.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
64. I never saw you before tonight, and you seem to be all over the place with odd comments
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 01:09 AM
Aug 2017

Serious observation

 

Bladewire

(381 posts)
69. You speak in vague negativity
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 01:58 AM
Aug 2017

I'm not into throwing shade and your negativity is wasted on me.

Democrats will not be divided

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
10. Anything that went up in a segregated US needs to come down.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:20 PM
Aug 2017

We can talk about suitable replacement memorials as an integrated country.

NutmegYankee

(16,178 posts)
18. The Northeast has monuments of almost the exact design in many small towns.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:37 PM
Aug 2017

With additional monuments for WW1, WW2, and often later wars. Should they all come down?

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
31. Are they Civil War memorials or pertain to our national struggle with race?
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:11 PM
Aug 2017

If not, I don't see how they pertain to this thread about Civil War memorials.

NutmegYankee

(16,178 posts)
35. They are Civil War dead monuments with a nameless anonymous soldier on top.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:16 PM
Aug 2017

Usually just listing the number who died in that country/town or generically remembering the fallen. I've seen many, both in the South and the North.

It's one thing to bring down statues with Southern "Lost Cause" BS idols like Lee, it's another to go after any memorial of the war. Even Germany has memorials to the fallen of WWII sans idolatry of Nazi or symbols of it.

MichMan

(11,790 posts)
48. Everything must come down ???
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 11:24 PM
Aug 2017

Your post #10 stating "Anything that went up in a segregated US needs to come down" doesn't mention anything about Civil War memorials.

I assume you are referring to every single building including homes and public structures. I don't support tearing down every single building in the entire South

leftstreet

(36,081 posts)
23. A lot of these 'monuments' aren't that old
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:49 PM
Aug 2017

(snip)

They’re not just memorials to the fallen: Helena’s Confederate memorial was constructed more than 50 years after the end of the Civil War. Most of its counterparts also came decades, not years, after the war. Historians say that time lag reflects white Southerners’ focus not so much on remembering the dead as providing a justification for rolling back black civil rights, which had advanced during post-Civil War Reconstruction.

This historical revisionism in support of a system of segregation known as Jim Crow was not restricted to the South; it stretched across a nation more concerned with national unity in the face of foreign threats than with black rights.

They’re still cropping up: The establishment of Confederate monuments, which crested between 1900 and 1930 and again during the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s, didn’t end with the 20th century.

Their numbers actually have been increasing. One, dedicated in Mitchell County in 2011, commemorates 79 men “who died for their freedom and independence.’’ And not for slavery.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/22/confederate-monuments-new-orleans-charlottesville-removal-race-civil-war/101870418/


Heritage and history, my ass

NutmegYankee

(16,178 posts)
30. They aren't always old, but it's bad politics to go after one without a traitor on top.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:10 PM
Aug 2017

I thought this was an effort to go after the statues that stand in parks and clearly idolize a traitorous general or political leader of the South to prop up the infamous "Lost Cause" bullshit story. I think going after the other more generic memorials may be upset the average person and cause the movement to point out the evil cause of the Confederacy much harm.

Think of it this way, Even Germany has memorials to fallen soldiers of WWII. They are devoid of Nazi imagery or statues of leaders of the Third Reich.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
36. Maybe. I think we need to discuss them all.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:20 PM
Aug 2017

And whether any of them represent how we, as an integrated country, wish to remember slavery and the Civil War.

Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
44. Maybe? Would one "wish to remember" the Confederate Memorial in Arlington and what it represents?--
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 11:11 PM
Aug 2017

---The Confederate Memorial was ""...unveiled before a large crowd of northerners and southerners on June 4, 1914, the 106th anniversary of the birthday of the president of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis. President Woodrow Wilson delivered an address and veterans of both the Union and Confederacy placed wreaths on the graves of their former foes, symbolizing the reconciliation between the North and South, the memorial's central theme."

(emphasis added)

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Monuments-and-Memorials/Confederate-Memorial


Edited to add:
I wonder how many war veterans---of any war anywhere---took part in the toppling of that statue in Durham NC.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
63. Pretty much all those Confederate statues went up in the 1920s, one of the heydays of the KKK...
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 01:06 AM
Aug 2017

Black soldiers came home from fighting WWI in Europe and I guess needed to be reminded of their "place."

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
19. When they died fighting against the USA to defend their enslavement of other human beings,
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:38 PM
Aug 2017

a memorial to those dead does not belong anywhere associated with a US state or federal government property.

Never did. Never will.

It's hard to believe these monuments to evil have not all been toppled long before now.

And I have ancestors who were "boys who wore the gray.”



 

Bladewire

(381 posts)
72. How did you learn the meaning of the statues without being taught?
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 02:15 AM
Aug 2017

The plaques on the statues don't tell the whole story. How did you learn the full story if their racist roots?

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
26. Grabbing the popcorn right now in anticipation of what
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 09:58 PM
Aug 2017

Right-wing Nut Job conservative pundits will say.

Brother Buzz

(36,216 posts)
27. I'm hoping for more poetic results
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:03 PM
Aug 2017

Like when Mother Nature exacted revenge against Agassiz in the San Francisco 1906 earthquake. Wicked cool sense of humor, she has. Still, a job well done.

hunter

(38,264 posts)
60. That picture makes me laugh every time I see it.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 12:41 AM
Aug 2017
After the 1906 San Francisco earth­quake toppled Agassiz's statue from the façade of Stanford's zoology building, Stanford President David Starr Jordan wrote that "Somebody?—?Dr. Angell, perhaps?—?remarked that 'Agassiz was great in the abstract but not in the concrete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Agassiz


Agassiz was both a creationist and a racist, a white man of his times.



 

freddyvh

(276 posts)
28. this is vigilantism
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:06 PM
Aug 2017

i agree these need to be gone.
but this is vandalism
this will give the wing nuts fuel to their fire.

if these need to be gone (and to make it clear....they should be)...use the system in place. Let the local government get them down

You know that faux, breitbart and the other wing nut "news" will use this to stoke the fires of hatred of the right

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
33. They can't.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:13 PM
Aug 2017

The gerrymandered state legislature passed a law (last year iirc) prohibiting it. This in a town that voted overwhelmingly for Clinton.

And who the eff cares what faux, breitbart et al object to? There will always be something, even a Democratic president wearing a tan suit. Enough.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
41. They don't now, why should we?
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:46 PM
Aug 2017

They lie, flout laws and cheat 6 ways from Sunday, but we're supposed to be nice, and bipartisan-y, and work with them within the system.

It is past time for some highly visible pushback. And do note, property was damaged, not bodies. I'll take it.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
46. Because theoretically we believe in the constitution and rule of law.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 11:20 PM
Aug 2017

Pushback does not require violence or destruction of property.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
50. True, it doesn't.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 11:54 PM
Aug 2017

But in case you haven't noticed, our system is (almost?) hopelessly corrupt now, the rich and powerful get away with everything now, their brain-washed allies flout our laws now and we do almost nothing to stop it, except maybe vote every 4 years. And now they are working hard to prevent even that.

This war is almost lost, and there are people here and elsewhere who think we should only resist in such a way that doesn't offend anybody, and stays within the norms of a civilization that doesn't exist anymore.

Violence? No. No way. Property damage? Whose property? The citizens of Durham who wanted that statue taken down, but couldn't do it because the racist, gerrymandered state legislature forbade it? Our opponents destroy bodies and lives, they even take lives. Who holds the moral high ground here?

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
53. What is your basis for the assertion that the citizens of Durham wanted it taken down?
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 12:10 AM
Aug 2017

If true (I can't find any support for that assertion in the form of a publicly reported vote, or city referendum), but if true the city council (or citizens) should challenge the law.

The city can take action, remove the statue formally, and see what the state does in response, or it (or a citizen's group backed by a citizen or council vote to take it down) can challenge the state law in court.

What I see in the videos is a crowd that - for all I know - represents only the portion of the city of Durham that is actually present on site. I don't see anyone taking the moral high ground - i.e. taking steps like I described above.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
62. The basis for my assumption
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 12:50 AM
Aug 2017

Is that the statue is down, nobody seems too upset about it, and Clinton picked up 79% of Durham county.
I also assume that for many it hasn't been a real big deal...but now it is, for very obvious reasons.
You can draw different conclusions, and arrive at different moral judgments; that is your right. I will say this though: what is legal is not always the same as what is morally right. We Americans fought a mighty big war over a horrifically immoral law, the same war this statue commemorated. Ostensibly the moral side won but sadly the battle has continued to this day, under the cover of "heritage" and culture. It is past time to confront the BS, and bury the lies, along with these statues.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
65. Was a majority of Durham present to tear it down?
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 01:11 AM
Aug 2017

If not, all you know is that the people involved want it down.

As to what is legal not being the same as what is morally right, you are correct. I have a relativley long history of being engaged in civil disobedience - but each time I engaged in such a venture it was after considerable deliberation as to what the options were to express my concern that the law and morality did not coincide, conveying that message was part of the preamble to the act of civil disobedience - and part of the act itself. I have tried the legal avenues to act in a moral fashion, and they have failed. What is left is illegal. It was always done with the weight that a necessary violation of the law requires. Any act of civil disobedience that involved destroying public or private property would be extremely rare - and only to prevent further more significant harm to others. (E.g. I could conceive of it being a proper action if there were a way to render the nuclear button inactive, or the bombs themselves.)

This was a mob pulling down a statue. This particular statue seems to have been a memorial to war dead. Regardless of whether you believe they were on the right side - the individuals for whom this served as a memorial were real humans who had - and perhaps still have - family members a generation or two out who grieve their loss. That is different from a monument honoring/celebrating someone who played a role in planning and carrying out the civil war. This is not, from any report I have seen, the Charlottesville statute.

That doesn't mean it shouldn't ultimately be taken down - but there are number of more productive steps possible before reverting to destroying it. (As noted by people who live there - the destruction of this statue likely significantly delayed any efforts to repeal the misguided state law - part of the consideration that ought to have gone into any act of civil disobedience prior to carrying it out.)

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
81. We will continue to disagree.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:10 AM
Aug 2017

"Legal" does not equal "moral," and "majority opinion" does not equal "moral."

Whatever reason was used, and whatever the time frame that these statues were put up, they have come to represent the continued oppression of black people, and glorification of those who fought to keep them enslaved.

They need to be removed and now is better than later.

struggle4progress

(118,041 posts)
78. The law was passed two years ago, a month after the Charleston shootings, as anti-Confederate
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:32 AM
Aug 2017

monument sentiments became more widespread

 

freddyvh

(276 posts)
38. then change the laws
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:26 PM
Aug 2017

i see no difference between this and vandalizing any other government property

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
40. How many decades should we wait for that?
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:37 PM
Aug 2017

The NC state legislature isn't interested in government property or local support for local institutions

They have made an aggressive campaign at instituting a racist politic on minorities in NC.

It is so egregious that the Supreme Court regularly finds them racist, how racist, it was a unanimous Supreme Court decision:



http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article154384454.html

RALEIGH
The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday affirmed a lower court ruling that found 28 North Carolina legislative districts to be illegal racial gerrymanders that diluted the overall impact of black voters.

But the justices did not agree with the panel of three federal judges who decided that new maps should be drawn and special elections should be held in 2017 to correct the district lines approved by the Republican-led General Assembly in 2011.

The Supreme Court order states the panel had not provided a strong enough basis for why it took the extraordinary step of calling for special elections this year. The order sends the case back to the lower court for reconsideration.



After 170 years of continued intimidation and humiliation African American employees should have to continue to walk past the shadow of iconography to racism exactly how many more decades?
 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
45. Spot on.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 11:19 PM
Aug 2017

This is nothing but fuel for the right-wing nuts (including our president) as illegal acts.

These statues should go, but through legal means, not acts of vigilantism.

Democrats should distance themselves from these acts.

 

LovesPNW

(65 posts)
54. I completely agree ... Mob rule opens a Pandora's Box
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 12:11 AM
Aug 2017

The monuments need to go, but they need to be removed legally ... That's how I see it ...

Extrajudicial justice is a dark road we don't want to see paved with the blood of innocents ... The other side would love to be unleashed ...

 

Henry Krinkle

(208 posts)
32. All they succeeded in doing is fanning the flames a little higher
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:13 PM
Aug 2017

And it will only be made worse if there are no arrests and prosecution of those responsible for destruction
of public property... as well there should be.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
42. I Remember Watching The Jetsons.....
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:47 PM
Aug 2017

...And When They Came To The Part " His Boy, Elroy"
I Couldn't Stop Laughing, And Don't Get Me Started
With " Jane, His Wife"
..Ahh, Good Times!!

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
43. Fine.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 10:52 PM
Aug 2017

Because you know what? This is a war. Their side has been waging war for decades, at a minimum.

They injure, and kill people; we destroy property that was erected to shove their worldview in black people's faces; erected not to honor the dead, right after the Civil War, but decades or even a century later.

Who holds the moral high ground, do you think?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,280 posts)
52. Me too.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 12:09 AM
Aug 2017

I get that there could be great emotional satisfaction from the destruction of a symbol of racial oppression, but there's a better way to deal with these things.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
68. Invalid analogy.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 01:30 AM
Aug 2017
The Japanese American Memorial to Patriotism During World War II is a National Park Service site to commemorate the experience of American citizens of Japanese ancestry and their parents who patriotically supported the United States despite unjust treatment during World War II

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
71. It was time for it to go.
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 02:13 AM
Aug 2017
Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.
-- ML King, Jr.


ExciteBike66

(2,280 posts)
76. I'm fine with this,
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 07:25 AM
Aug 2017

civil disobedience without any violence towards individuals or even private property.

It also probably saved the city a bit of cash in bringing the monument down to street level.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
79. I applaud the outcome, condemn the method. .
Tue Aug 15, 2017, 08:34 AM
Aug 2017

They must be removed lawfully. DON'T CEDE THE HIGHER MORAL GROUND... It's not necessary, History is on our side.

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