Looking at the many pictures from Charlottesville, it is amazing how many Confederate

[guillaumeb]

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flags there are mixed in with the many Nazi flags and combination flags combining Nazi and US symbols.

Considering that your civil war ended 150 years ago, it seems that in some areas, mainly southern, that news is not common knowledge.

And the heavy presence of Nazi imagery is very troubling. When did anti-Semitic genocide and master race philosophy become a favored philosophy of the American far right?

Edited to add:

Here is the reference

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029450148

The second picture is of a number of people with various signs and clothing.

One of the signs accuses Jews of being children of Satan. So the Nazi imagery is horribly fitting in light of this sign. Perhaps it is the only such sign, one hopes, but possibly not.

[lunatica]

1. That was a White Supremacist march not an example of everyday Charlottesville

Many, perhaps most of the people there don't even live there. They're congregating in order to march for their disgusting hatred and racism.

[msongs]

5. it reflects the views of tens of million americans unfortunately. nt

[guillaumeb]

6. I in no way mean to imply that any of these people are native to the area.

The racists are flocking to be with their own kind.

[lunatica]

9. I believe you

I lived in the South for a while and it really gets a bad rap. What happened today is terrible and we shouldn't forget it, but these White Supremacist rallies are bad no matter where they're held.

[guillaumeb]

14. I live in the Chicago area.

One of the most racially segregated areas of the country.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Actually, C-ville is a progressive oasis in central Virginia.

I came from Amherst County, about an hour south of C-ville. Amherst still has segregated cemeteries. (So much for death being the Great Equalizer.) Amherst County Administration Building had two sets of bathrooms until 20 years ago (with a strip of tape to cover "Colored" and "White&quot . Amherst County Courthouse is where the Supreme Court case that legalized state-sponsored compulsory sterilization originated. Amherst County is 20 minutes north of Lynchburg, where the Jerry Falwell legend began. (And Jerry used to broadcast some very racist and Un-Christian sermons in the Sixties.)

Charlottesville is not like the rest of Virginia.

[guillaumeb]

7. Thank you for the information.

One of my daughters lived for a time in Lynchburg. A beautiful area, but as the home of LU, it is a very conservative area too.

[NastyRiffraff]

22. Charlottesville is a beautiful town

Actually there are two Virginias: the largely rural and small town South and Northern VA (DC area), which is liberal. Charlottesville is sort of in the middle but it's a college town that tends liberal.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. When did anti-Semitic genocide and master race philosophy become a favored philosophy

of the American far right? Probably back in the '30s. There were a fair number of Nazi sympathizers in the US before WWII (Charles Lindbergh was one of the most famous of them). This has been going on for years and years, and there was quite a bit of it in the '60s but it went more or less underground as a result of the civil rights movement. But because of Trump they are now feeling emboldened to crawl out of the woodwork again.

[guillaumeb]

8. Thank you.

It may have gone underground, as you say, but the racists are coming out again. And it is troubling to see so many very young people among them.

[hlthe2b]

4. Yeah... it is the most eye-opening phenomenon for those first experiencing the South.

Many will never let go of their obsession with "the South rising again" from defeat.

I remember my first visit to Germany decades ago and being surprised to see older Germans wearing swastikas on their traditional Alpine hats. Clearly they still held some pride for what most would consider a horrific period for Germany... I guess this isn't such an isolated phenomenon among "vanquished" people, though Germany was probably smart to restrict pro-Nazi hate speech to decrease the dissemination to younger generations.

[guillaumeb]

10. A nice point about Germany. And Nazi regalia and pro-Nazi speech is legally forbidden in

Germany.

[eleny]

11. It appears that they've found common ground

[guillaumeb]

15. And a disgusting commonality it is. eom

[eleny]

20. Yes, it surely is

[malaise]

12. What I find amazing is that for a man who repeats ad nauseum that he hates losers

Groper Don the Con has sided with confederate losers.

[guillaumeb]

16. Many at DU know that the Trumps were the subjects of numerous discrimination

complaints when they were New York based real estate developers. Racism seems to a recurrent philosophy for Trump.

[malaise]

18. Racism is what he shares with his fellow

DEPLORABLES

[guillaumeb]

19. But they take offense at being called deplorable.

How very rude of us to call them what they are.

[Voltaire2]

13. The alt right are neo nazis.

This is not news. Trump's base is sudstantially composed of Nazi fuckwits. This has been obvious for at least a year now. Trump is a right wing authoritarian.

[guillaumeb]

17. And his son-in law and daughter are observant Jews.

It could make for interesting conversation if the subject came up.

[Voltaire2]

36. oddly enough "observant jews" have a large authoritarian right faction.

see israel.

[guillaumeb]

37. True, but in the US, anti-Semitism is one large aspect of the far right. eom

[yardwork]

21. The Nazis learned a lot from Southern Confederates.

All through the 19th century the white supremacist ideology was honed in the U.S.

Eugenics, phrenology, the concept of a hierarchy of "races" with some being superior over others. Laws against miscegenation - we were the incubator.

[guillaumeb]

23. I had not considered that.

Canada also has and had problems in that area. The First Peoples were and are still subject to a certain ideology that sees whiteness as superior.

[jimmy the one]

25. a century has passed

yardwork: The Nazis learned a lot from Southern Confederates.

Change that to 'neo nazis' & I'd agree. Racism was more than less a prevailing thought in the early 1900's, so hitler didn't need much help from america.

All through the 19th century the white supremacist ideology was honed in the U.S.

Indeed, even Abraham Lincoln felt african americans were substandard to white america. Well, how could they be on a par when they came over in chains to a new land, new culture without even knowing much of the language? Like putting an elementary student in a college geometry course. Of course slaves would be 'substandard' in educational levels, when they were deprived of the ability to even advance much past the basic alphabet.

Eugenics, phrenology, the concept of a hierarchy of "races" with some being superior over others. Laws against miscegenation - we were the incubator.

In the 1920's in washington DC, the ku klux klan marched in parades down constitution & independence avenues to the capitol, and were cheered by throngs of people. The kkk was mainstream america then.
These clowns today don't realize a century has passed.

[Duppers]

24. As DUer No-Hypocrisy said, C'ville...

Is an oasis of progressive values. Look at the signs posted by the closed businesses in downtown Charlottesville.
Here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029449452

ALSO Northern Virginia is densely liberal.

We, as a state, are liberal enough to have both our Senators, our Governor, and our AG be DEMOCRATIC. We also went blue for Hillary. So, we are indeed distinct from the other southern states.

The car that rammed the people had Ohio tags. There were racists from many other areas and states at this rally.

[guillaumeb]

29. Agreed. As discussed upthread, racism is a human failing that is not confined to any one area.

[randr]

26. Always keep in mind when you are affronted with a Confederate flag

It is the symbol of losers.

[guillaumeb]

30. Apparently losers who are still fighting 150 years later. eom

[IggleDuer]

27. Why doesn't they burn a Confederate flag at an anti-racist rally?

N/t

[Wednesdays]

28. Probably because in order to burn it, you have to hold it first

And no one on the anti-racist side is about to give it even that much recognition.

[guillaumeb]

31. Welcome to DU, and that is an interesting question.

The First Amendment protects this as speech.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

32. How many Americans died fighting both flags?

These assholes are traitors. There I said it.

[guillaumeb]

33. Traitors is one posssibility.

Deluded is another. Seriously uneducated is another.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

34. How about all three?

[guillaumeb]

35. And probably a lot more could be added.

Seriously, what type of cretin marches around wearing a Nazi armband, or a white hood, or carrying a flag of treason?