Wonkette: Oh go fuck yourself, Glenn Greenwald

[geek tragedy]

https://wonkette.com/621347/oh-go-fuck-yourself-glenn-greenwald

Greenwald, who likes to remind his readers every now and then (constantly) that he really really really really really doesn’t like America, and who is in theory a liberal who embraces liberal values, but totally isn’t, is just not sure whether Donald Trump’s plans to rip healthcare away from millions, deport the fuck out of every brown-skinned person he sees, and so on, are worse than the generals — Mattis, McMaster and Kelly — SUBVERTING TRUMP’S AGENDA by sneakily getting appointed to sweet-ass cabinet and White House positions by Donald Trump, and then sort of trying to rein in some of President Fuck-Bonkers’s most dangerous tendencies.

Oh and he’s mad about the Deep State, because of course he is. Greenwald spends a lot of his column beating a straw man to death, claiming that all the sane people who HAAAAAATE Trump, many of them conservatives who worked tirelessly to keep him from getting elected, and who have been in “COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY, MOTHERFUCKERS” mode since Greenwald’s pals at WikiLeaks and the Russians he is SO IN LOVE WITH (he would deny that accusation, but ya know, actions speak louder than words, and also fuck him) helped Trump get elected, think Greenwald and his weirdo friends are dumb for believing there is a “Deep State.” This is a false construct. We very much know there is a Deep State, and we know it makes Greenwald and Sean Hannity shit the bed, so we make fun of them about it.

But he’s really really confused about which is worse: that Trump is in office and beating the shit out of American institutions and the Constitution, or that the so-called Deep State (normal people refer to them as “career public servants”) is trying its damnedest to protect the Republic from Trump’s damage. The horrors! It reminds us of that thing Anthony Scaramucci whined during his 120-some-odd-hour tenure as White House Communications Director, about how there are some White House staffers who “think it is their job to save America from this president.” It’s almost as if there is a wide consensus among thinking Americans that the traditions we hold dear are in danger, and that we should do something about it. (Also, to all those people, thank you!)

But Greenwald can’t abide that, because how DARE the Deep State Military-CIA-Industrial Complex act all high and mighty like they for real care about protecting America from the authoritarian dipshit in the White House, when it’s very clear that #BothSidesDoIt anyway? How could Donald Trump possibly be more evil than the United States Of America has always been since forever?

See also: "The Alt-Right and Glenn Greenwald vs H.R. McMaster:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/the-alt-right-and-glenn-greenwald-versus-h-r-mcmaster.html

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. Wonkette has a real way with words!

[onit2day]

19. lol. Greenwald is the most intelligent man

in our discourse today and is great at exposing America's hypocrisy but seems everyone wants him to take their side. He has always been informative and outstanding in his investigations. Sounds like someone got their feelings hurt. I don't like a lot of stuff Greenwald says but he is definitely worth listening to.

[geek tragedy]

22. do you share his belief that career public servants in the federal civil service

should be more loyal to Donald Trump than they are to the rule of law, our democracy, and the constitution?

[Hamlette]

27. Greenwood and Bannon are cut of the same cloth

Smart enough, but too in love with their hair brained ideas to know it's all BS

[maxsolomon]

33. hare-brained

like a rabbit

[ChubbyStar]

35. I like hair brained

Reminds me of tRump!

[haele]

29. Greenwald is a at best a contrarian. He thrives on disruption of systems, progressive or not.

There's a big problem with people like Greenwald who live to "expose hypocrisy" and "tear down/cut out the rot" - especially when they're intelligent or are part of the "intelligentsia" when it comes to social and political discourse.
They tend to be Manichean; and love to blindly use the meat cleavers while proving their philosophy, their morals, their ethics are the right ones.

They never pay attention to the majority of average people who are just trying to survive and might be slow to change a political, social, or economic system they're familiar with. The "Dragon Slayers" have already decided anyone who says "well, wait a minute, let's look at the entire situation and see what will make a positive difference for everyone in the long run..." is against them and is part of the corrupt system.

I've read Greenwald's books until he got to the point I started channeling my inner Dorothy Parker. He's no Stieglitz or Chomsky, and never was in a political sense. He writes better than Ayn Rand, but they're not that much different at heart. Even when he was the "Liberal Darling" during the Bush Era, he was still writing more Anti-American Society screed than Anti-Bush screed.

Back during the Bush years, he wanted his version new, improved Strong Man/Hero of the Peoples in charge, not the GOP Business interests. He was always pointing out the "stupidity" or "complacency" of the electorate - that means you and me who vote for whatever our own ethics and interests drive us to vote.

Ultimately, Greenwald has shown he's a Leninist, like Bannon. Tear it all down, start over, - he's just "kinder and gentler" because he "cares" about the little guys and the downtrodden masses - but in reality, he's really just another Authoritarian who wants to tell other people the best way to live rather than deal the messy real world that most of us have to live in.
No Diplomacy, No "Consideration", and certainly no reconsideration. He's so smart he's never wrong, and you're a corrupt enabler for even suggesting he's not thinking things through...

Haele

[bloom]

36. I think this sums GG up quite well. n/t

[stonecutter357]

32. Seems Legit lol.

[Progressive dog]

44. No one wants Greenwald on their side

[50 Shades Of Blue]

48. Greenwald can go pound sand as far as I've been concernef for a long time.

[Weekend Warrior]

49. You can keep him on your side. Nt

[Ninsianna]

62. Nope. He's not very intelligent and he's not terribly great at his

"investigations" or his disinformation.

He's really not worth listening to, it's the same stuff that Putin's other outlets are releasing at the same time.

[BootinUp]

2. Holy moly...that made my morning.

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. Greenwald is a Russian agent

The whole outrage act is just his little assignment.

[Progressive dog]

45. I think you're right

[SunSeeker]

4. K & R

[Gothmog]

5. Who cares what Greenwald thinks?

[MineralMan]

6. Bravo!

Let Glenn have it!

[paulkienitz]

7. back in the day, I never could figure out what Greenwald's trip was

His agenda didn't make sense to me. But when you notice Mr. Putin, things clarify.

[not fooled]

52. Yeah

he's lost credibility with me over his um, appreciation of the Russkies.

Bye, Glenn.

[ismnotwasm]

8. K&R

[byronius]

9. Love the Wonkette.

[librechik]

10. I am haunted by that Scaramucci remark about some are in WH to save us from Trump

he said that as if it were something bad.

[hlthe2b]

11. Excellent takedown. n/t

[lapucelle]

12. Greenwald's platform, The Intercept, is also

the original purveyor of the recent troubling tales concerning Kamala Harris.

Here's an eye opening account of what's really going on with the alt left's breathless claim that "Kamala Harris is in Steve Mnuchin's Pocket!" that reviews the whole recommendation memo rather than simply the cherry picked parts that cunningly cast the former CA attorney general in the most damaging possible light.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1687354

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3250383-OneWest-Package-Memo.html

Wasn't there talk about The Intercept being involved in the falsified documents that were sent to Rachel Maddow?

I'm generally suspicious when they are the only/original source for damning stories about Democratic figures.

Caveat lector.

[mcar]

13. K&R

[BadgerMom]

15. K & R

[Scurrilous]

16. K&R

[radical noodle]

17. Poor Glenn

He must be so worried that life time public servants will save the country and ruin the revolution.

[brush]

18. GreenwaldSnowdenPutin

[onit2day]

20. Propaganda. Neither of these two support Putin

[Foamfollower]

28. BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh,...

you were serious...

[brush]

40. Snowden is supported by Putin and Greenwald helped get him there...

then parlayed/used the Snowden matter into a media deal for himself.

Poor Eddie, with friends like that, who needs...

[uponit7771]

41. Where does Snowden live TO THIS DAY?!

[BannonsLiver]

42. How's the weather in Minsk?

[Scurrilous]

51. LOL

[Ninsianna]

63. They do deal in propaganda, and they're supported BY Putin.

[Bradical79]

66. He minimizes, ignores, and lies about Russia's role

I don't know that he ezplicitly loves Putin, but he does hate American imperialism so much that he's willing to lie for our enemies. It ends up being indistinguishable from working for our president's buddy.

[FairWinds]

23. I'd pay more attention to the Wonkette if she . .

gave a clear, accurate summary of Greenwald's views,
and explained why they are wrong.

And stop with the shock ridiculous overuse of obscenities.

[geek tragedy]

25. Greenwald is peddling the Breitbart/alt-right myth that a "deep state"

is nefariously undermining Donald Trump.

It's patent nonsense. Donald Trump is unfit for the office, and the institutions are resisting his authoritarian and reckless impulses, as they should in a government that observes rule of law.

[maddiemom]

31. In some cases, it's hard to "overuse obscenities."

[FairWinds]

57. I wonder if she talks that way in front of her

(or others') kids.

It makes her seem uneducated, as it did me back in the
day when I also talked that way.

[Ninsianna]

64. When it gets to the gender shaming, it's clear that the truth hurts.

[FairWinds]

67. Of course it goes without saying . .

that males should not drop F-Bombs either.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

60. Lol, yep. And I don't think we've yet invented words

obscene enough to describe Trump and his cronies.

[maddiemom]

24. For a while there,

I wondered if I was the only one who was sick of Greenwald. Then again, I felt the same about Jill Stein, and Jimmy Dorn of TYT, and, often Ted Rall (hits it right without self-rightiousness about 10% of the time). Some relief, always, when finding ANYONE who agrees.

[GoCubsGo]

30. I got sick of him years ago.

So much that I have long had his name on "auto trash", along with Julian Assange--another one cut from that same bolt of cloth. Except that auto-trash no longer seems to be working...

[bloom]

37. yeah - it concerns me - the folks who still follow him (and trust him) :( n/t

[Kurovski]

38. I think his name is Jimmy Dore.

I like both wonkette AND Greenwald.

Why do mommy and daddy fight? Was it something I did?

Even more than Greenwald, I love reading the comments section of the Intercept. It's remarkably intelligent, considering how comment sections can devolve into obscene and witless lunacy.

[maddiemom]

56. Sorry; stand corrected.

No doubt about Greenwald's intelligence; then, again, there's I.Q. and E.Q (emotional quotient can curb asshole-like tendencies).

[rpannier]

50. His putin apologism is what lost me with Greenwald

Talk about a useful idiot

[SkyDaddy7]

54. YES! I totally agree!

I definitely remember a time here on DU when any criticism of Glenn Greenwald would be met with extreme wrath & scorn aimed at anyone who did! Glenn Greenwald does share characteristics w/Steven Bannon as others have pointed out on this thread. Plus, Greenwald has no problem telling half truths or just flat out lying about people he doesn't like. Whether one agrees with Sam Harris' views on Islam or not, it is a FACT that Glenn Greenwald used many of Sam's quotes completely out of context & flat out lied about Sam Harris many times. He was relentless in his attacks on Hillary during the 2016 election & when asked, (paraphrasing) "Is it fair or good journalism to put so much time & effort into going after Hillary's one scandal when Trump has 40 scandals brewing?" He answered, "I can pretty much point to every single aspect of Donald Trump’s personal, political, and financial life — it’s been dissected by great length and with great skill by the investigative reporting teams of the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times and Washington Post." ...He actually said that in September 2016 when the media had only been seriously looking into Trump for a few months after giving him huge amounts of positive coverage & free air time throughout the GOP Primaries & early into the General Election...While at the same time the media, and of course Greenwald himself had been beating the hell out of the long dead email horse!


Also, to me, Gleen Greenwald is one of those people who will take whoever's side is against America regardless of the issue or even if that means supporting authoritarians like Putin...They will spin it however they need to in order to justify it to themselves & others that America is always wrong.

[Mickju]

26. Wonkette is one of my go to sites that I check every day.

I especially enjoy Evan Hurst.

[dalton99a]

34. Kick.

[Blue_Tires]

39. Hate to say I told you so....

[Tarheel_Dem]

43. F**k GG!

[hrmjustin]

46. Greenwald like Snowden is anti-American!

[orangecrush]

47. "Oh go fuck yourself, Glenn Greenwald"

Loves me aome Wonkette

[JHan]

53. K & R . Fabulous, expletive laden takedown of greenwald's assholery ...

....just what he deserves.

[betsuni]

55. Yes, Greenwald and his weirdo friends are dumb.

[saidsimplesimon]

58. Thank you geek

The Kochs, Hugh Hewitt, Rand Paul and all those who are "proud" alt-right posers of patriotism make me ill with loathing. They preach, yes, the cult of greed that puts self interest above that of all.

Greenwald, Assange and Wikileaks are nothing more than agent provocateurs. Like rump, they will end up in the infamous, forgotten column after their 15 seconds of fame.

[Blue_Tires]

59. Brilliance...

kick for truth...

I miss the old days when I'd post something unflattering about Greenwald and fifty DUers wanted to go to war with me... Fun times...

Link to tweet

[Egnever]

61. Those were the days eh

Glad to see his act isn't fooling people anymore. At least not nearly as many.

[geek tragedy]

65. all 50 of those folks have relocated to the Troll Commune nt