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Out of curiosity, does Melania have any skills? (Original Post) Orrex Aug 2017 OP
modeling isn't a skill? virtualobserver Aug 2017 #1
Certainly it is, but... Orrex Aug 2017 #7
That's the top of the list lame54 Aug 2017 #17
! Orrex Aug 2017 #26
It would if they removed a sufficient percentage of their clothing virtualobserver Aug 2017 #44
she did. she took it all off. trueblue2007 Aug 2017 #65
Melania set the standard for Trump approved immigrants virtualobserver Aug 2017 #95
Setting up an anti-bullying campaign...she's done really well. DK504 Aug 2017 #2
Yes, except for that blind spot big enough to cover Warpy Aug 2017 #107
Lying...she lied about her education.. HipChick Aug 2017 #3
Beat me to it! Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #4
Did she speak English when she came? Who knows. SweetieD Aug 2017 #5
Larry King pointed out in an interview yrs ago the son had an accent. I don't care but the hypocrisy lunasun Aug 2017 #11
He's from New York City, so of course he has an accent. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2017 #32
A Slovenian accent? Everyone in NYC has a Slovanian accent ? Not when I've been there. lunasun Aug 2017 #34
No, a New York accent, which sounds like a Boston accent, JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2017 #35
The comment from King was about his Slovavian accent lunasun Aug 2017 #36
Which suggests that he has very little verbal interaction with anyone but his mother. tblue37 Aug 2017 #55
I'm bilingual and if he just watches tv he wouldn't speak with a foreign accent. lunatica Aug 2017 #79
Agree, and has anyone on this thread actually heard him speak? B2G Aug 2017 #80
I doubt it too LeftInTX Aug 2017 #105
I teach ESL and have to disagree with the last statement in your post. beveeheart Aug 2017 #112
His other kids by Ivana speak Czech. kskiska Aug 2017 #75
That's a pretty big grapefruit you hung out over the plate. Zoonart Aug 2017 #6
Besides sounding like MyNameGoesHere Aug 2017 #8
Walking on stiletto heels. lpbk2713 Aug 2017 #9
Check the Internet for her um naked skills lunasun Aug 2017 #10
I predict this post will not end well... CurtEastPoint Aug 2017 #12
That's how most of my posts turn out. Orrex Aug 2017 #14
Well played, Orrex! CurtEastPoint Aug 2017 #20
Ha! It IS your skill, Orrex, and you are damned good at it! Nay Aug 2017 #40
None that can be described in polite company COLGATE4 Aug 2017 #13
You said what I was thinking. Kaleva Aug 2017 #71
Looking sullen. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #15
There's a name for that look lunatica Aug 2017 #83
I don't think it's RBF TexasBushwhacker Aug 2017 #113
I think it gives her that 'my plastic surgeon tucked when he should have nipped look.' Chellee Aug 2017 #114
It makes her look like she needs glasses. That's about it. n/t Blaukraut Aug 2017 #134
It doesn't change the fact that she has a bitch resting face expression. lunatica Aug 2017 #137
Now I ain't saying she a gold digger ... nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #16
Modeling is a real skill similar to acting. Not kidding. DetlefK Aug 2017 #18
I agree re: modeling Orrex Aug 2017 #24
It's also just a weird bit of luck. Many super attractive people don't photograph well at all.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #51
One photographer said she was not successful as a model because she was tblue37 Aug 2017 #58
She was successful enough to land a rich husband. Calista241 Aug 2017 #72
Not from being successful as a model. Successful models get modeling jobs. nt tblue37 Aug 2017 #73
Ivanka flunked out as a model. kskiska Aug 2017 #81
It's also frequently used as a euphemism for other much older business practices Major Nikon Aug 2017 #102
And in elizabethan England, the same was true for "actresses". DetlefK Aug 2017 #119
suing people mercuryblues Aug 2017 #19
She appears to be a hands-on mother raising a beautiful son. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #21
Good points all. (nt) Orrex Aug 2017 #23
I read an interview with her in a parenting magazine Grammy23 Aug 2017 #28
I would hope her son is well provided for. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #33
I don't see the need to "bathe" a 7 yr old. secondwind Aug 2017 #94
I really wouldn't know if he is an odd duck or not. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #97
I would imagine that he was bathing himself, but she was checking to see that he had LiberalArkie Aug 2017 #59
Right. She's cooking and going to the grocery store, doing laundry, driving him to sports practices, lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #60
I doubt there is anything "typical" about it. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #62
Modeling oberliner Aug 2017 #22
Several have correctly noted that modeling is a skill. So stipulated. Orrex Aug 2017 #25
She squints really well.... Adrahil Aug 2017 #27
Scowling. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2017 #29
In some circles that's called RBF lunatica Aug 2017 #138
So I just googled that question ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #30
"So skills like what?" Orrex Aug 2017 #39
Oh. Well, then, to answer your question, hell no--her English is heavily accented ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #41
"if a Mexican or Syrian woman had the same skills as Melania..." 3catwoman3 Aug 2017 #85
Is there any proof she speaks 5 languages? pandr32 Aug 2017 #78
The news clip of her visit to a school in Paris kskiska Aug 2017 #89
If she can barely speak English after being in this country for 20 years, smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #91
+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Aug 2017 #128
A lot of the Eastern European languages are quite similar meadowlander Aug 2017 #120
Is English one of the 5 languages? BannonsLiver Aug 2017 #111
Why do you think they mounted a brass pole in their bedroom? n/t backscatter712 Aug 2017 #31
Lap Dancing? maveric Aug 2017 #37
As many other's have said, modeling (at the time of her arrival). SaschaHM Aug 2017 #38
Boiling his binkie? n/t GallopingGhost Aug 2017 #42
Plagiarism HAB911 Aug 2017 #43
Does she need any? What an unusual query. She is a mother, which was/is plenty good enough for WinkyDink Aug 2017 #45
Will the new immigration law consider motherhood a skill? leftstreet Aug 2017 #47
Oh, sorry! I mistook Melania for NOT being her nitwit of a husband! #mybad WinkyDink Aug 2017 #49
We have a winnah! Orrex Aug 2017 #57
The question is related to Trump's new "skilled immigrants" policy. It seems very relevant to anneboleyn Aug 2017 #133
Wow. So we can mock, insult, slander, insinuate---BUT GOD FORBID YOU SAY "BITCH." Manners! WinkyDink Aug 2017 #46
Interesting point. Orrex Aug 2017 #48
Haha. Okay. Do people even care about our language anymore? We use plenty of OTHER nasty words from WinkyDink Aug 2017 #50
Nothing wrong with dehumanizing somone so it feels good when they're ridiculed... JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #84
I read somewhere that she speaks 6 languages. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2017 #87
Maybe she's good at fluffing covfefes... Rollo Aug 2017 #52
She has a business selling her branded beauty products. vlyons Aug 2017 #53
She has a knock-off line of jewelry -- made in China, naturally LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2017 #82
Why did you open up this can of worms? mfcorey1 Aug 2017 #54
Oh stop it! You know you love it leftofcool Aug 2017 #76
Because Trump wants to limit immigration to "skilled" immigrants (no extended families)? Seems anneboleyn Aug 2017 #135
My reply was in humor. Unwind your anger and save it for Drumpf. Peace. mfcorey1 Aug 2017 #136
uhmm, yes .... Lil Missy Aug 2017 #56
Other than arm candy, gonna assume skills were not a priority on Frump's agenda. lindysalsagal Aug 2017 #61
is this a skill ???? ummmmmm, she was a model ??? trueblue2007 Aug 2017 #63
Waouw !!!! syringis Aug 2017 #132
Not to offer an answer but I wonder if faking an orgasm would be considered a skill. gilbert sullivan Aug 2017 #64
I was thinking more along the lines of moonscape Aug 2017 #117
HAHA, I defer to your more believable analysis. gilbert sullivan Aug 2017 #131
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I think you have completely missed the context... gilbert sullivan Aug 2017 #67
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #68
Her skill is tolerating the intolerable. Sneederbunk Aug 2017 #69
Fancy pageant walkin'. nolabear Aug 2017 #70
She's a clothes hanger. kskiska Aug 2017 #74
An hour and half?! Just for her face? 3catwoman3 Aug 2017 #90
So am I, but janx Aug 2017 #103
You're not going in front of a camera jmowreader Aug 2017 #115
not that I can see Skittles Aug 2017 #77
She's really good at smacking away donald's tiny hands. Hand-Holding-Aversion skill ?? JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #86
Trick enid602 Aug 2017 #88
She's good at digging for gold tenderfoot Aug 2017 #92
She claims she can design jewelry. bettyellen Aug 2017 #93
Shoot, I've been designing jewelry since kindergarten. SummerSnow Aug 2017 #101
I shudder to think what some of you were like in middle school. B2G Aug 2017 #96
Yes, I was cruel to my classmate whose vile husband was destroying the country Orrex Aug 2017 #99
I can totally picture you defending the bullies in middle school. tenderfoot Aug 2017 #108
Oh absolutely. B2G Aug 2017 #122
Bless your heart. tenderfoot Aug 2017 #123
Not mad. Amused. nt B2G Aug 2017 #126
zing! Bonx Aug 2017 #139
Too much. Not surprising though. Kingofalldems Aug 2017 #109
Melania questioned Obama's birth and defended trump's Sexual assault JI7 Aug 2017 #118
Why are you being so mean? tenderfoot Aug 2017 #124
She is skilled at slapping Cheeto's hand away jpak Aug 2017 #98
she can do all of these SoCalDem Aug 2017 #100
Didn't she start out as a prostitute/ model... scarytomcat Aug 2017 #104
She got a rich guy to marry her nt doc03 Aug 2017 #106
i think she rivals Meryl Streep in her acting skills. VermontKevin Aug 2017 #110
Does maintaining a seperate residence count? L. Coyote Aug 2017 #116
She rocks a dress lanlady Aug 2017 #121
Oh, I don't know. Maybe, she's good at hooking Hugin Aug 2017 #125
She has that phoney afflicted speech pattern down pat randr Aug 2017 #127
It's a great question... lapucelle Aug 2017 #129
It takes some Skill to get pregnant from Donald Trump Cigar11 Aug 2017 #130

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
5. Did she speak English when she came? Who knows.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:53 AM
Aug 2017

She may have spoken a few words but I doubt she was fluent. She can barely speak English now, 20 years later. Whenever she does interviews she typically sticks to a script and it is difficult for her to break from it. I'd like to hear her have a normal one hour conversation in English at college level, not just conversational.

I also doubt she speaks English at home with her parents and son. They probably are all speaking Slovenian.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
34. A Slovenian accent? Everyone in NYC has a Slovanian accent ? Not when I've been there.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:09 AM
Aug 2017

Since you won't open the link about Larry King

“This is an English-speaking country, remember?” It must be a bizarre feeling to be Donald Trump and to have a multilingual son who, at one point, spoke English with a Slovenian inflection. (“He has an accent?” Larry King asked, in puzzlement, when the family appeared

Again it is the hypocrisy of saying English only when his own home probably has multiple languages spoken and if you read the link you would know his in laws in NYC appear to speak no English .

Again I don't care if they don't speak one word and his son has to speak Slovanian at home because everyone else is , it's the hypocrisy

Also if you don't know who Larry King is, he broadcast a talk show from the east coast for years
East coast show .

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
35. No, a New York accent, which sounds like a Boston accent,
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:14 AM
Aug 2017

unless you're from Boston or NY, in which case they don't sound anything alike.

Not surprising the kid sounds a little Slovenian. He's with his mother most of the time, so he probably even speaks some Slovenian.

It can take a few generations to completely lose a "foreign" accent.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
36. The comment from King was about his Slovavian accent
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:17 AM
Aug 2017

Boston accents sound nothing like NYC accents or Slovanian accents imo

tblue37

(65,290 posts)
55. Which suggests that he has very little verbal interaction with anyone but his mother.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:39 PM
Aug 2017

If his father and siblings talked a lot with him, their accents would counterbalance hers, because they outnumber her. Also, if he verbally interacted much with his peers, that would tend to outweigh the influence of her accent.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
79. I'm bilingual and if he just watches tv he wouldn't speak with a foreign accent.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 03:44 PM
Aug 2017

People tend to pick up the accent they hear around them. If he goes to school or has peers who he talks to or teachers he talks to he would sound like an American. If his father or uncles and aunt speak to him he would sound the way they do.

I have my doubts that he has a Slovenian accent, but I'm sure he can imitate his mother and her family quite easily.

At one point a went to a British schools for a few years and it was very easy for me to sound like I was British.

LeftInTX

(25,224 posts)
105. I doubt it too
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 06:27 PM
Aug 2017

My dad grew up in a home where no one spoke English. He went to school not speaking a word of English. Neither he nor his siblings developed a foreign accent.

My husband grew up speaking English in a Mexican neighborhood. He has an accent.

beveeheart

(1,369 posts)
112. I teach ESL and have to disagree with the last statement in your post.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:11 PM
Aug 2017

It is true for some, of course, but many of my students pride themselves on losing their accents. Additionally, my ex-SIL has no accent even though his parents spoke Spanish in the home.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
75. His other kids by Ivana speak Czech.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 03:34 PM
Aug 2017

As children they spent summers with their grandparents in the Czech Republic.

Zoonart

(11,845 posts)
6. That's a pretty big grapefruit you hung out over the plate.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:56 AM
Aug 2017

I expect several DUers to hit it out of the park.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
8. Besides sounding like
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 09:58 AM
Aug 2017

June Foray (RIP) aka Natasha Fatale? Well I am guessing she is adequate in the "servicing" sector also.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
10. Check the Internet for her um naked skills
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:00 AM
Aug 2017

New York Post had a good cover of her skills in a July '16 Sunday edition

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
15. Looking sullen.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:27 AM
Aug 2017

That goes for all the modelling photos I've seen, and it's her general demeanour since Trump became president. I presume various photographers or dress designers thought that worthwhile.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
113. I don't think it's RBF
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 12:17 AM
Aug 2017

She purposely squints her eyes a little when being photographed. It gives her that smoldering look.

Chellee

(2,093 posts)
114. I think it gives her that 'my plastic surgeon tucked when he should have nipped look.'
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 12:26 AM
Aug 2017

If she keeps this up the corners of her eyes will end up over her ears.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
137. It doesn't change the fact that she has a bitch resting face expression.
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 04:59 PM
Aug 2017

And if she wants smoldering eyes, there's a make-up technique that you can do yourself.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
18. Modeling is a real skill similar to acting. Not kidding.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:31 AM
Aug 2017

A great model combines 3 things: the look, the talent, and work-discipline.

A model needs to be aware of her body, she needs to know how exactly to strike which pose without double-checking in a mirror.

I once saw the difference in a TV-ad: A female model and a female show-host were supposed to flash their eyes mischievously at the camera.
The show-host moved her eyebrows up and down.
The model ever-so-slightly moved her eye-lids, subtly changing the amount of white you can see in her eyes.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
24. I agree re: modeling
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:45 AM
Aug 2017

I don't doubt that it's a skill that takes practice and experience to master.


Of course, I don't know if that would qualify as a skill under the Trump "no whites" immigration policy, but it's a skill nonetheless.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
51. It's also just a weird bit of luck. Many super attractive people don't photograph well at all....
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:30 PM
Aug 2017

And some truly plain or strange looking people look so much better in photographs. Something happens to transform them. I've cast models and sometimes it's hard to believe the pics you're looking at are the same person standing before you.

tblue37

(65,290 posts)
58. One photographer said she was not successful as a model because she was
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:41 PM
Aug 2017

too stiff and couldn't project different emotions.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
102. It's also frequently used as a euphemism for other much older business practices
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 06:15 PM
Aug 2017

Not everyone who lives and works in NYC who calls themselves a "model" is really a model.

Just sayin'

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
19. suing people
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:32 AM
Aug 2017

giving her son baths in caviar. Hey, she has to do something with all her unsold beauty products. Emulating her husband.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
21. She appears to be a hands-on mother raising a beautiful son.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:34 AM
Aug 2017

She has been a successful model and has done commercials. She can also read a MO speech in front of a large audience. Not as good as MO, but she can still do it. More often than not, she pulls off the appearance that she loves Trump, not just his money. That has to be a skill considering how disgusting he is.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
28. I read an interview with her in a parenting magazine
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:53 AM
Aug 2017

where she talked about bathing her then 7 year old son nightly and slathering him from head to toe in her own brand of a caviar based lotion. If memory serves me, when my own son was that age, he didn't need mommy's help to bathe. As for slathering him in caviar, that sounds like some made up shit to reinforce how super rich they are.

So even in the "good mother" role, she might be a tad bit over the top. I think I read where he has a whole floor in tRump Tower that is his domain. I presume he has nannies and attendants to care for his every whim. So being a great mom isn't quite the challenge we peasants have.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
33. I would hope her son is well provided for.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:02 AM
Aug 2017

I see no problem with a mother bathing her seven year old son. I would also hope he could somewhat bathe himself at that point. Considering her and her husband are supposedly worth billions, I would have assumed they had very large living areas and nannies.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
94. I don't see the need to "bathe" a 7 yr old.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 04:36 PM
Aug 2017

She had also taught him to use creams and lotions on his face. I think he would be happier living a different life.

He also likes everything in white. His bedoom is stark white. He is an odd duck

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
97. I really wouldn't know if he is an odd duck or not.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 04:38 PM
Aug 2017

I imagine he will be different than what we perceive as the norm. That wouldn't be surprising at all. Nothing about his upbringing screams norm.

My child uses creams and lotions. I can't figure out why anyone would take issue with that. As for bathing a seven year old, fully acceptable and who cares.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
59. I would imagine that he was bathing himself, but she was checking to see that he had
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:42 PM
Aug 2017

washed behind his ears and other stuff that moms check with 7 year olds.

lindysalsagal

(20,648 posts)
60. Right. She's cooking and going to the grocery store, doing laundry, driving him to sports practices,
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:49 PM
Aug 2017

All the typical american housewife skills. Sure she is. Mother of the year.

And before anyone pounces, OF COURSE there are lots of American dads who provide such care as well.

The op was not about dads.

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
62. I doubt there is anything "typical" about it.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:55 PM
Aug 2017

I'm confident you are being tongue in cheek. It still appears she is very hands on and I give credit for that. She might even be protecting him from her husband.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
138. In some circles that's called RBF
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 05:01 PM
Aug 2017

Stands for Resting Bitch Face.

Google it. Lot's of information on that.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
30. So I just googled that question
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:57 AM
Aug 2017

What comes up the most is she speaks 5 languages--although being multilingual isn't at all uncommon for any number of former immigrants, and I haven't seen it stated how well she speaks them.
Modeling is hard work, and is a skill--and she's a business owner. While being a famous model is a hard place to reach, modeling itself has a number of ways in, and there are many business owners. She doesn't seem to particularly stand out in either role.

So skills like what? I read she is good at public speaking, I don't know if she is a designer, or an artist, she seems fairly typical in many ways--when horrible taste in spouses--also not uncommon.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
39. "So skills like what?"
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:23 AM
Aug 2017

Specifically, skills like skills that would qualify as skills under the latest iteration of Trump's racist immigration ban.

Another way to ask it is "if a Mexican or Syrian woman had the same skills as Melania, would they be welcomed into Trump's America?"

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
41. Oh. Well, then, to answer your question, hell no--her English is heavily accented
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:32 AM
Aug 2017

In my world of nursing, the Trump people I take care of object strongly to accents. They call it "can't even speak English" "I can't even understand a word she's saying" et al.

pandr32

(11,574 posts)
78. Is there any proof she speaks 5 languages?
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 03:40 PM
Aug 2017

If I recall, she was said to speak them fluently, too, which strikes off English. I am not aware of a single recording of her speaking in anything other than Slovenian and poor English.
Claiming she walked the runways of major fashion houses in Paris and Milan as some top model seems suspect as well. Most modelling photos of her are stills in various states of undress and some girl on girl stuff. She has made a few magazine shots, but that is not the same as being a top runway model in the cities where she would have learned Italian and French while working their catwalks and fashion houses.
It seems that her modeling career may have been mostly pin-up stuff and rather unremarkable.
Her IQ and education claims have already fallen apart. She never finished a university degree of any kind and has never released results of an IQ test. In fact, she plagiarized Michelle Obama in a speech--so much for being brilliant.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
89. The news clip of her visit to a school in Paris
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 04:02 PM
Aug 2017

All I heard her say was very basic French that even I know. "Je m’appelle Melania, et toi?"

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
91. If she can barely speak English after being in this country for 20 years,
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 04:15 PM
Aug 2017

I really doubt very much that she has an ear for languages.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
120. A lot of the Eastern European languages are quite similar
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 05:29 AM
Aug 2017

and once you know one it's easy to pick up more. It's not uncommon in the Eastern Europe to meet people who speak ten or more "languages" (but in a larger country like China or India, that would be ten dialects rather than ten separate languages).

So it's plausible that she speaks, for example, Slovenian, English, Russian, Czech and Polish with varying degrees of fluency but probably less that she is fluent in totally different languages like Slovenian, English, Chinese, Portuguese and German.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
38. As many other's have said, modeling (at the time of her arrival).
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 11:21 AM
Aug 2017

The current bunch of famous instamodels (Kendall/Gigi) wouldn't have made it when Melania was starting out because beyond having a unique look, you needed to know how to pose and walk then.


She also does a subpar Michelle Obama impersonation.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
45. Does she need any? What an unusual query. She is a mother, which was/is plenty good enough for
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:04 PM
Aug 2017

multitudes of women.

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
47. Will the new immigration law consider motherhood a skill?
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:12 PM
Aug 2017

I think that's what this thread is about

The WH statements about skilled people only make me wonder if childrearing, once again, will be ignored and demeaned as not a skill

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
133. The question is related to Trump's new "skilled immigrants" policy. It seems very relevant to
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 11:05 AM
Aug 2017

ask whether or not his own policy that he holds so dear (or for that matter Steve Miller's family -- his uncle said that the Miller relatives - who were Russian Jews who changed their name after moving to the United States - did not speak English but rather Russian, Yiddish, and knew some liturgical Hebrew) would apply to his own family. And no, I don't think Trump and co plan to include "motherhood" as a "skill." In fact they stated that they want to end the practice of "chain immigration" which would end the practice of extended relatives (you know -- mothers like grandmothers etc) being allowed in based on a family member's status.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
48. Interesting point.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:23 PM
Aug 2017

I don't believe that any of the posts in this thread called her a non-human animal, so perhaps that might be the distinction?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
50. Haha. Okay. Do people even care about our language anymore? We use plenty of OTHER nasty words from
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:24 PM
Aug 2017

centuries ago (e.g., those short Anglo-Saxon ones). So are we "protecting" the human here, or the canine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitch_(slang)

"As a derogatory term for women, it has been in use since the fourteenth[5] or fifteenth century.[2] Its earliest slang meaning mainly referred to sexual behavior, according to the English language historian Geoffrey Hughes:[6]

The early applications were to a promiscuous or sensual woman, a metaphorical extension of the behavior of a bitch in heat. Herein lies the original point of the powerful insult son of a bitch, found as biche sone ca. 1330 in Arthur and Merlin ... while in a spirited exchange in the Chester Play (ca. 1400) a character demands: "Whom callest thou queine, skabde bitch?" ("Who are you calling a whore, you miserable bitch?&quot .

Bitch remained a strong insult through the nineteenth century. The entry in Francis Grose's Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue (1785) reads :

A she dog, or doggess; the most offensive appellation that can be given to an English woman, even more provoking than that of whore, as may be gathered from the regular Billinsgate or St Giles answer--"I may be a whore, but can't be a bitch."[7]

Throughout the word’s evolution into the nineteenth century, it lessened from Grose’s claim. The Oxford English Dictionary within the nineteenth century described the insult as “strictly a lewd or sensual woman”.[8] The word went through many similar phases throughout history.

It was not until the 20th century that feminism began to reevaluate the term and its appropriation."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW: I never use the term. I'm strictly about what I perceive as rank hypocrisy.

 

JoeStuckInOH

(544 posts)
84. Nothing wrong with dehumanizing somone so it feels good when they're ridiculed...
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 03:53 PM
Aug 2017

just don't bring sexuality/gender into it, MMmmKkay?

82. She has a knock-off line of jewelry -- made in China, naturally
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 03:48 PM
Aug 2017

The jewelry line has also been accused of cutting corners. Melania’s QVC line consists of, by her own admission, inexpensive versions of other high-end pieces she owns. These replicas are manufactured in China, despite her husband’s opinion that “China has rebuilt itself with the money it’s sucked out of the United States and the jobs that it’s sucked out of the United States.” (Donald’s now-discontinued clothing brand was manufactured in his also much-maligned Mexico.)

The Daily Beast

Buy American, suckers!

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
135. Because Trump wants to limit immigration to "skilled" immigrants (no extended families)? Seems
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 11:08 AM
Aug 2017

obvious to me that the OP's question is reasonable.

lindysalsagal

(20,648 posts)
61. Other than arm candy, gonna assume skills were not a priority on Frump's agenda.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 02:54 PM
Aug 2017

But she is great at keeping every hair in place, covering her roots, showing no tan or panty lines, preventing skirt wrinkle on af1, and she hardly ever breaks a nail...

syringis

(5,101 posts)
132. Waouw !!!!
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 11:01 AM
Aug 2017

Tell me about a "classy" first Lady Y

Yes...really

She should throw away her dresses, if a half yard of fabric that barely covers either butt or breasts, but in anyway both, can be called so, and dress a toge or some Roman Empire clothes.

With her NY interior design, it will make a bit coherence

Response to Orrex (Original post)

 

gilbert sullivan

(192 posts)
67. I think you have completely missed the context...
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 03:11 PM
Aug 2017

having to do with what Trump said yesterday about immigrant 'control'.

Response to gilbert sullivan (Reply #67)

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
74. She's a clothes hanger.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 03:31 PM
Aug 2017

Nothing else is evident. She's said it takes an hour and a half to do her face.

3catwoman3

(23,970 posts)
90. An hour and half?! Just for her face?
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 04:12 PM
Aug 2017

That is ridiculous.

I am up, showered, shampooed, conditioned, legs shaved, feet buffed, hair dried and styled, dressed, lunch made, and out the door on my way to see my first patient, all in an hour and a half.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
115. You're not going in front of a camera
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 12:45 AM
Aug 2017

Models' makeup takes one to three hours to apply, because everything about it has to be absolutely perfect.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
96. I shudder to think what some of you were like in middle school.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 04:38 PM
Aug 2017

Hope your kids have more compassion for their classmates.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
99. Yes, I was cruel to my classmate whose vile husband was destroying the country
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 04:56 PM
Aug 2017

Your objection is ridiculous.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
118. Melania questioned Obama's birth and defended trump's Sexual assault
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 03:09 AM
Aug 2017

she is a piece of shit just like her husband.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
104. Didn't she start out as a prostitute/ model...
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 06:26 PM
Aug 2017

with her sex skills she landed a big whale by getting pregnant and telling him it is his.

 

VermontKevin

(1,473 posts)
110. i think she rivals Meryl Streep in her acting skills.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 08:32 PM
Aug 2017

The woman has had to stand next to Trump day after day, year after year without retching in front of the press.

Could you do that?

lanlady

(7,133 posts)
121. She rocks a dress
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 06:21 AM
Aug 2017

That's all I can think of. But credit where credit is due, she looks fabulous in a dress.

Where has she been lately, btw? I don't think she's been seen in public since they were in Paris.

Cigar11

(549 posts)
130. It takes some Skill to get pregnant from Donald Trump
Fri Aug 4, 2017, 10:44 AM
Aug 2017

... patience
... tolerance
... greed

... and best of all, Shopping Privileges

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