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Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:18 AM

Please, I beg you, understand there are more of us, then them....

It's just...
We don't vote.
And
They do.
Consequently, they control the agenda.
Howard Dean is absolutely spot on.
We do NOT need conservative, anti choice, candidates.

We need to vote. So sick of hearing about the Trump voters "standing by their man."
They are getting waaaay too much coverage...given their numbers.

How the fuck do we get people to under stand that they do not need to be in love with a candidate...they need to recognize that the damage Trump has done with SCOTUS Gorsuch is done. Damage for decades. Even is Trump goes to jail...it will not matter because he had the last laugh.

Does anyone get it?

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Reply Please, I beg you, understand there are more of us, then them.... (Original post)
Ninga Aug 2017 OP
Chasstev365 Aug 2017 #1
Ninga Aug 2017 #4
Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #9
CrispyQ Aug 2017 #13
BadgerMom Aug 2017 #16
Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #25
AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #26
Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #2
Ninga Aug 2017 #5
Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #7
apcalc Aug 2017 #3
Ninga Aug 2017 #6
Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #8
wasupaloopa Aug 2017 #10
CrispyQ Aug 2017 #11
leftstreet Aug 2017 #12
CrispyQ Aug 2017 #14
lebkr Aug 2017 #18
hibbing Aug 2017 #15
IronLionZion Aug 2017 #17
Aristus Aug 2017 #19
Ninga Aug 2017 #21
Aristus Aug 2017 #22
Ninga Aug 2017 #23
calimary Aug 2017 #20
Duppers Aug 2017 #24

Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:25 AM

1. Anti-Choice Democrats are as fundamentally wrong as Anti- Social Security Democrats

 

There should be zero debate on this topic!,

Have they forgotten what is was like for women before Roe v. Wade?

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:31 AM

4. Yep they have. I wonder how many people here, are devoted, regular voters.

The base of the Democratic Party is so fractured- many voting for pie in the sky, as opposed for the greater good. Voting for the greater good is voting for who sits on the SCOTUS

So many people stayed home that it sickens me every time I think about it..

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:47 AM

9. The quickest way to ensure that women lose their right to choose is to play purity politics

and continue in the minority in Congress.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:21 AM

13. The quickest way to lose women's support is to put our reproductive rights on the bargaining table.

Maybe the dems will have to work a little harder in order to hold true to their core values, instead of capitulating for the low-hanging fruit.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:55 AM

16. +++1000

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 03:41 PM

25. A few back benchers from red states won't hurt you...and it may give us a majority who will stop the

assault on Roe V WAde via SCOTUS.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 04:33 PM

26. especially

when it comes to SC nominees.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:28 AM

2. In some states pro-choice candidate can not win. WVA and Nebraska come to mind.

And there is a mythical non-voter out there...but I don't think this voter is going to ever vote...we play the cards we were dealt. There have always been pro-life candidates in this party in red and purple states. In Ohio, I voted for Tim Ryan for years. He was pro-life and my only Democratic choice. Recently, he changed his views and is now pro-choice. However, not voting or voting for the Republican would not have helped at all. Sometimes we vote for the candidate with the 'D' next to his name period.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:33 AM

5. I hear you. Been there and done that. Again, they win, because they vote. Nt

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Response to Ninga (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:44 AM

7. There are not enough liberals in those states to elect a liberal candidate especially on

the abortion issue. I have lived in red states...Georgia for example. You will not elect a pro-choice Senator. But you could elect a Democrat...it is trending that way as Virginia did. Purity politics will cost us the majority and ultimately a woman's right to choose.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:30 AM

3. There is a faction of leftists who are actively working against us.

Watch them carefully. Their goal is to promote a certain set of leaders and cause dissent from within. An inflexible lot, they slam our candidates routinely, by raising ' legit concerns'. You will know them by their responses , even to what I'm writing. 'Establishment' Dems are bad, so they say.

I fully expect this to be alerted. It's what they do.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:36 AM

6. I see it and in Ohio feel it in the support of those who stand by their anti-establishment

vote this past Nov.
In the past, I considered these folks to be a solid part of the liberal base...but their justification for their vote flies in the face of the outcome.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:46 AM

8. Despite their big 'leftist' talk...these folks are not progressive or liberals. They may be Green

riffraff...some anyway. But they are not Democrats.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 08:54 AM

10. You can vote against someone just as easy

 

as voting for someone.

If you don't like our candidate vote against theirs but vote!

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:14 AM

11. Yesterday I suggested perhaps the dem party court the non-voters, instead of the anti-choice voters.

I was told, "Tapping into the mass of unregistered voters is fool's gold." Here. On DU.

I'm curious how many of the "we must win at all costs" posters are male.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:17 AM

12. +1

I find it curious that speaking up for nonvoters is becoming a greater forum threat than speaking out against centrist Democrats

Hmm

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 09:33 AM

14. I think dem leadership has gotten lazy.

It's easier to capitulate on our core values than work hard in areas where dems aren't popular. Maybe if they had been a true opposition party for past 30 years, instead of drifting to the right with every election, the entire middle of the country wouldn't be deep red. Now, in order to win back some of those voters, they're going to waffle on reproductive rights while telling us it's the only way to win. Dem leadership needs to learn that you stand for something or you stand for nothing.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:59 AM

18. Fools Gold????

It has become my goal to register voters and GOTV in every election . . . till I die. I readily admit I may be a fool. But I am driven and feel there is no other choice.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:50 AM

15. Yes, we'll never win over the deplorables

It's getting the people that don't vote that we have to win over.

Peace

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 10:56 AM

17. Our voters are increasingly concentrated in fewer areas

while theirs are spread out in more districts and states.

And at some point our national party seems to have given up competing in many local and state elections so there are fewer efforts to recruit and develop good candidates at lower levels who know their local constituents and issues to run for higher office.

Dean was right about the 50 state strategy. We need to compete everywhere and grow good candidates from scratch over time. Dean's DNC leadership got us both houses in 2006 and the white house in 2008. We've done it before. We can do it again.

And also combat voter suppression and gerrymandering at the local/state level.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 11:08 AM

19. Ideological orthodoxy. That's why we fail. Our candidates don't have it.

Al Gore often steered a middle course. So a bunch of sniffy, disapproving Naderites torpedoed his campaign.

John Kerry something something DINO something else, so Democrats stayed home in 2004.

Hillary Clinton sent e-mails and stuff, and was seen walking down Wall Street in New York City as if she, you know, lived in New York, or something, then something something else, unreliable, something, DINO, something, corporate something Bernie Sanders is a real progressive, something else, I'm staying home on Nov. 8th, 2016.

In a nutshell, there are people out there who would actually prefer to have Trump for President than vote for a complex candidate.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:23 PM

21. Your last sentence is a spectacular one-liner! So so true. May use it? Nt

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Response to Ninga (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:24 PM

22. Yes, please.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #22)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:25 PM

23. Thx!

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 11:08 AM

20. I wish they would get it.

Pull their head out of the clouds, stop insisting on the absolutely perfect when there are viable candidates who very much qualify as Good. Or even Excellent.

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 01:53 PM

24. K & R

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