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Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:33 PM

 

Shame on the Boy Scouts of America and their leaders to boo Hillary Clinton, how indecent.

Phoning all my family to stop the financial support for them and asking them to send letters to the leadership.
Evil wins when good people do nothing!

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Reply Shame on the Boy Scouts of America and their leaders to boo Hillary Clinton, how indecent. (Original post)
nikibatts Jul 2017 OP
Sneederbunk Jul 2017 #1
uponit7771 Jul 2017 #3
Teacheral Jul 2017 #57
WePurrsevere Jul 2017 #80
AllaN01Bear Jul 2017 #108
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skylucy Jul 2017 #94
ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #8
Control-Z Jul 2017 #20
LoveMyCali Jul 2017 #34
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ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #42
leftstreet Jul 2017 #9
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workinclasszero Jul 2017 #119
riversedge Jul 2017 #11
dixiegrrrrl Jul 2017 #72
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Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #12
Kleveland Jul 2017 #43
cilla4progress Jul 2017 #61
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lunasun Jul 2017 #59
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riversedge Jul 2017 #13
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geek tragedy Jul 2017 #15
FSogol Jul 2017 #21
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FakeNoose Jul 2017 #104
procon Jul 2017 #129
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iamateacher Jul 2017 #145
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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:36 PM

1. Embarrassed for the Scout Organization.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:36 PM

3. +1

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:15 PM

57. Scouts have forgotten their oaths.

I am an Eagle Scout, from 1950. What has happened to Scouting? This behavior would not be tolerated in my day. Unfortunately it's a different day.

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Response to Teacheral (Reply #57)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:14 PM

80. My husband is an Eagle too ('74) and...

he was flabbergasted. Unfortunately the BSA has moved quite a bit to the right in the years since you and he were scouts.

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Response to Teacheral (Reply #57)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 09:02 AM

108. it is called dRumpfhruher

it is ok for america to be rude again. not.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:36 PM

2. Shit, and the stupid ass'd president we have prolly said something to get the boos

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 09:07 AM

109. "I beat Hillary, she's got cooties ... sad"

Don knows how to work a crowd

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:37 PM

4. Completely disgusting.

But, we are finally seeing who the GOP really is, BYA, etc.

Not patriots.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:37 PM

5. Holy Shit...when you can't count on Boy Souts for decency.... n/t

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Response to MLAA (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:13 PM

55. "Courteous." It's right there in the Scout Law.

You can see it in print... but you SHOULD see it in action.

Sad day for the BSA.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:38 PM

6. So WRONG!

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:39 PM

7. They are working on their "grow up to be an ignorant ass" merit badges. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:45 PM

94. Thanks for making me smile! I needed that!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:40 PM

8. Apparently we are supposed to move on and get over it because unfavorable polls or something

Just roll over-let Hillary take hit after hit, and scold her on the sly every fucking chance given.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:56 PM

20. I have been seething since I heard about Schumer

this morning. (Though I did look up what he actually said. Still, if it wasn't an actual slight, it was a very sloppy statement on his part.) I'm so tired of Hillary being used as the national punching bag. It makes me so damn sad and angry. There should be an army of Democrats standing up for her but noone is. I feel like crying.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:29 PM

34. That pretty much sums it up for me too

My admiration for this woman and the shit she puts up with on a near daily basis just keeps growing.

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Response to LoveMyCali (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:35 PM

40. + a gazillion

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:46 PM

42. It does nothing for Democrats. It's a dumb thing to imply

It was sloppy. And for all "messaging" people-it be far from a profitable Democratic "message"

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:40 PM

9. DURec

It's just unbelievable

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:41 PM

10. Oh well ....

I guess the Boy Scouts have cast their lot with tRumputin.

Good luck with donations in the future ya'll

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:01 AM

119. They will never get a dime out of me

 

now that they are the Twitler youth.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:41 PM

11. What happened. Did Trump comment about Hillary which lead to booing?????

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Response to riversedge (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:35 PM

72. Fucker set them up to boo, it was more than likely staged.

One thing about Trump..he knows tv and how to use it, probably better than anyone else except Reagan.
So he used this opportunity, instead of talking about them, to talk about politics and bad mouth Hilalry, yet again.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #72)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:18 PM

81. Very likely doing the same thing he did when he addressed the CIA in January.

Position a dozen of his staffers in the crowd to 'start' the applause and cheers during the applause lines. If they did that here, it's disappointing that the Scouts would follow the applause cue, but not hard to understand. They're just kids following along. Although, you'd think that simpering asshole scoutmaster who was up on stage with them would know better than to play along.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:44 PM

12. Disgusting and shame on them for this act...

This act runs counter to everything the BSA is supposed to represent. Have "friendly, courteous, and kind" been dropped from the Scout Law???

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:49 PM

43. Amen to that brother...

I have always bragged about my time in the scouts, and what a positive influence on my life that it was.

They were some of the best times in my life.

It makes me want to puke....

Is our society really de-evolving this severely?

I am emotionally distraught, and possibly scarred...

Is there no good thing in this country that they will not smear their shit all over?

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Response to Kleveland (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:19 PM

61. Blessings on you, Kleveland

you sound like you are in pain. Positive vibes across the interwebs to you.

Maybe take a time out from national politics? It helped me today.

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Response to Kleveland (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:23 PM

65. Agreed...

My closest friends to this day were guys that I was in scouts with, a couple I've known since we were kids in cub scouts. My son is old enough to start cub scouts this fall, and this has me rethinking joining the group.

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:18 PM

59. They have not been kind and courteous to Gays . Not surprised by this newest action

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Response to lunasun (Reply #59)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:21 PM

64. Very true

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:45 PM

13. The president insulted Barack Obama, a former Boy Scout, and the crowd cheered.

I need to see this on video.


Tony Posnanski‏Verified account @tonyposnanski

The president insulted Barack Obama, a former Boy Scout, and the crowd cheered.







Welcome to 2017.
6:26 PM - 24 Jul 2017

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:46 PM

14. So they just deleted "Friendly, Courteous, Kind"

from their motto?

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:47 PM

15. Boy Scouts have always been a rightwing organization.

 

Now they've gone full Tr*mper. Fuck that entire organization.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:57 PM

21. Even so, appearing at a political event* is a violation of their policies.

* The exceptions are they can do the flag ceremony at political events, but cannot appear in rallies or fundraisers.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:58 PM

22. The latest in a long series of institutions permanently degraded by Dolt 45.

 

ETTD.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:00 PM

23. Agreed. n/t

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Response to FSogol (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 08:55 AM

104. Except this wasn't a political event

It was the Boy Scout Jamboree which is a friendly get-together every 4 years in a different place each time.
These kids were used shamelessly by Cheeto who turned it into an opportunity for more press coverage for him.
Unfortunately these boys had no idea what was being done to them, but the adults knew.
Should have NEVER happened.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #104)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:36 PM

129. When Trump made it political, the leadership had a duty to step in.

They failed to do that, and instead chose to let that honorless man exploit the children they were supposed to be safeguarding. They made an oath and had one job, and it didn't require any feat of daring do or heroism to turn off Trump's mic and quietly remind him that he was speaking to children, not a campaign rally.

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Response to procon (Reply #129)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:39 PM

130. Yes I completely agree with you

This was spineless of the BSA organization.

Parents are calling and emailing the BSA headquarters to complain about it too.
There will be hell to pay on this one.

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Response to procon (Reply #129)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:00 PM

145. I agree,

The leaders should have stepped in. A relative is a BS leader, and he told me if he had been there he would have gotten arrested for protesting the incident. What an example for these young men!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:48 PM

16. Seriously inappropriate. No honor in that sort of behavior.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:49 PM

17. I haven't seen it yet, but booing our SoS and POTUS is disgusting.

The BSA will suffer from this.
Contact info: https://www.bsafoundation.org/about-us/foundation-contacts/

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Response to panader0 (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:48 PM

85. Email address is [email protected]

 

I sent them a condemning note. I'm very good at that.

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Response to Awsi Dooger (Reply #85)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 08:59 AM

106. I did too. I'm thoroughly disgusted.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:53 PM

18. Maybe the "boy" in boy scouts is getting the best of them.

I suppose they're following in their fathers' shoes (if their fathers are GOP fathers that is). Fux News would applaud them. Weren't the boy scouts finally getting out from their recent negative problems regarding pedophilia. That organization had better get their act together. Can you imagine the public outcry if the girl scouts booed the Donald and called him a pussy grabber and a poor loser.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 07:55 PM

19. Lots of red state goobers go to the Jamboree. This comes as no surprise unfortunately.

Scouting is the youth program of the Mormon Church and is really big in Texas also.

I'm amazed that they have changed the rules recently. Robert Gates bears some credit for the positive changes in the program.

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:26 PM

31. Mormons are withdrawing from Boy Scouts

(shocking right?) and focusing on one of their in-house youth programs. Because there are no gay Latter Day Saints, right?

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Response to Kali (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:29 PM

35. Wow I was unaware of this. The Mormons sort of ran their own independent program anyway, only a

financial loss, no loss to the program.

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Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:33 PM

38. I don't know if there is anything official

I heard it from someone "connected." it fit with my experience around here because the local troops have been shrinking while the church members continue to multiply and build new churches and other infrastructure.

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Response to Kali (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:33 PM

39. No

The LDS approach to scouting is different, they move from Boy Scout to venturer or varsity scout at 14. LDS is dropping the after 14. Boy Scout is still the LDS youth program through age 14.

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Response to d_r (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:26 PM

68. somethign like that

I am not all that familiar with the structure of Boy Scouts.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:04 PM

24. This is beyond disgusting.

Chump has no sense of decency. What a petty evil man.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:04 PM

25. WTF! She's a civilian, she should sue for defamation

The freaking election is over, when the hell is he going to move on! What a freaking baby.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:06 PM

26. WTF. nt

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:10 PM

27. They forgot to chant "Build the Wall!"

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:11 PM

28. Trump Youth

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Response to pdxflyboy (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:27 PM

33. Twitler Youth

Seeing that a lot on Twitter right now

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Response to pdxflyboy (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:50 PM

44. My thought as well..... beyond scarey. n/t

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Response to pdxflyboy (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:48 PM

75. Did they sing this afterward?

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:14 PM

29. Well, so much for "mentally awake and morally stright"...

I note for the record that Trump is a resounding failure in every point of the Boy Scout Law:

Boy Scout Law

A Scout is:

Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:20 PM

30. Never did like that organization

 

Now I hate them.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:27 PM

32. That's really disappointing.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:29 PM

36. I am cutting them off

I used to be proud of my scouting background, but I won't stand for this slow shit. Deplorable. I'm packing up my metals tomorrow, and sending them back to national headquarters

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:33 PM

37. Check all your charitable donations from now on.

Make sure the scouts never get another penny from you, since their devolution to Hitler Youth seems about complete. And discourage any young family members from joining up.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:38 PM

41. Another fascist move right out of the Hitler playbook...

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:50 PM

45. What happened

My boys are both in Scouting and the adult leadership never talks about politics to the boys. Where did this happen?

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Response to bpj62 (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:26 PM

69. At the National Jamboree, apparently.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:51 PM

46. Can you imagine TrumpleThinSkin visiting the GIRL SCOUTS?

Forget it, he doesn't have the balls to talk with them in person.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:52 PM

47. My kids were Cub and Boy Scouts.

It was always a very uneasy truce between the Mormon and Catholic Scouts.

Then Proposition Hate happened, and the right intolerant wing of both religious parties decided they were allies.

Totally radicalized my kids, nephews, and nieces. They had wonderful queer adult family in their lives. They refused that shit.

My youngest would pluck Prop H8 signs off people's lawns and bang on their doors to tell them their signs were offensive. Those sad people would close the door on him and he'd take their signs, throwing them in back of my little pickup truck. I did recycle the wire and plastic of the signs landing in my truck, and confess it was near hundred. (I'd taken a few signs myself, including a big 4X8 plywood sign, but not so in-your-face aggressively. Maybe I was as bad, but not anywhere so courageous.)

Worst I did was write a harsh letter to the Bishop. He wrote a mushy letter back claiming he was trying to "control" the dialogue.

Better than my mom who once got into a scratching slapping girl fight with a Bishop... scars of my own childhood... My biggest fear on my own Big Catholic Wedding night was that my mom or her mom would go Berserker. They did not. Worst that happened was my sister-in-law, before the wedding, asked if she could play the church organ and she played Queen as my gay brother in law and mom were decorating the church with flowers. The sister in charge asked "That's pretty, what is it?"






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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:54 PM

48. Fuck them all.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:59 PM

49. They had better apologize

This was offensive

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 08:59 PM

50. Now watch the Girl Scouts do something smart and amazing

They'll show the boys the right way to do it.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:08 PM

51. What a bizarre day this is

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:08 PM

52. Twitler youth.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:09 PM

53. This is exactly the same shit that hitler did. This is history repeating itself. We have a racist,

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:12 PM

54. A Scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Kind...

... Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.

Oh, wait -- Did I leave on out?

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:15 PM

56. They banned gay scouts and leaders from membership for decades.

Atheists and agnostics are still prohibited. I'm an Eagle Scout and cannot participate in Scouting functions because for the grievous offense of not believing in a god, I am considered an inappropriate role model.

But when a cadre of disorganized red state rabble boos political celebrity... that's crossing the line.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 08:29 PM

149. But that didn't stop some of the leaders from abusing young boys.

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:15 PM

58. I always new Girl scouts were BETTER!!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:18 PM

60. Keep it classy Donnie

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:20 PM

62. I guess a change of uniforms is in order.....

tRump Scouts



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Response to paleotn (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:18 AM

122. Twitler Youth

 

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:20 PM

63. What are they the new Hitler Youth? nt

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:24 PM

66. Fuck the BS. Homophobic stupid assholes.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:24 PM

67. Give your donations to the Girl Scouts instead ...Accepting Affirming and Enpowering !

If you are like me and don't want the crappy cookies, you can buy a box or two and they will take them and donate to military personnel . Double donation IMO

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:30 PM

70. Email I just sent to the Boy Scouts organization

Boy Scout Law

A Scout is:

Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent.

Read the above Boy Scout Law & tell me how the spectacle that occurred this evening was allowed to happen. Booing a former President, booing a former Secretary of State and former First Lady - how does that fit into the Boy Scout Law? My husband is a former Cub and Boy Scout, my son is a former Cub Scout, Boy Scout and Eagle Scout, my grandsons are currently Cub Scouts and I served as a Cub Scout Den Leader. Never in my imagination could I envision the Boy Scout organization condoning such disrespect to our country’s leaders. I have regularly donated to the Boy Scouts but no more. You will never see another penny from me and I will be talking with my son about my grandsons being a part of Boy Scouting.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:35 PM

71. That really crossed a line today. They went too far.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:38 PM

73. You know who sympathises with the Boy Scouts? Russia.

Even back in 2013...

https://russianreport.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/the-boy-scouts-of-america-should-move-to-russia/

"Apparently out of step in a country that has embraced political correctness and intent on lunging ineptly into socialism, the Boy Scouts and the USA are clearly at odds."

"This is a country where the president wrestles with lions and shoots big game in the forest. He doesn’t need to fabricate stories about shooting skeet."



(I hope that's not a "bad" link. I'm not familiar with the site. But it sure is hard to tell the author apart from any number of Republican talking heads in THIS country.)

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:43 PM

74. At a long ago Boy's State week, we were bused to a Nixon event--


as an Honor Guard. There was minor grumbling (among we Kennedy supporters) but being courteous was strictly enforced.
Today's episode is disgusting, a true downgrading--and ever so reminiscent of Hitler's Youth.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 09:59 PM

76. I graduated from a being proud and loyal Cub Scout to my initiation into the boy scouts 55 years ago

The very first day I was made fun of, taunted, and made to feel unwelcomed.
My first day was my last day.
I now see them as a bunch of organized young hoodlums under the guise of “God & Country” and all that other crap they profess.
They are nothing more than a youthful gang of homophobic little big shots who sicken me.
Fuck them and their Trumpism.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:03 PM

77. Disgusting!!! n/t

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:08 PM

78. This is awful...I am angry beyond words....k and r..

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:13 PM

79. I guess I am done with overpriced popcorn.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #79)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:29 PM

82. I agree...The BSA has made a major error that will result in injuring fundrasing, and

that is in every form and everywhere in the USA. The BSA has NEVER gone into national politics...
Too stupid beyond words...sickening....

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Response to 33taw (Reply #79)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 02:43 PM

139. This is horrible. My kids rely on popcorn sales to get to camp

They did not ask for the orange menace to get installed in the WH. I don't blame people for not wanting to support Scouting after this.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #139)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:24 PM

144. You may want to consider a different camp for your kids.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:31 PM

83. Enough with the hate on the boy scouts

Direct your anger at Trump. The kids are aged 11 to 18 and likely have no idea about politics. And here you have the president of the united states taking advantage of their natural respect for the leader of our country, egging them on and using his speaking skills honed over many years.

There are justified reasons to have issues with BSA. And maybe it was a mistake to invite him to speak. But it is a long-standing tradition to invite the president to speak, and the vast majority of presidents have accepted, including Obama (he attended via live video).

A lot of you are taking it out on the kids. Remember, virtually everyone on this board is hyper political. These kids have no clue.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #83)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:42 PM

84. Kids know what booing means. Boy Scouts know what civic involvement is.

The majority of them know better, or at least should know better. If they don't, the BSA needs to examine its curriculum.

I understand getting caught up in the moment. The Jamboree is an amazing event. Unfortunately, bad things happen when impressionable people in uniform forget themselves at a large event and go along with what a leader is doing.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #84)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:49 PM

86. I agree with some of what you said

Kids are impressionable. This was the president of the united states (as much as it pains me to type this). There was some booing. In a way, I am impressed they were paying enough attention to even know when to boo. But I would be shocked if more than 1% of them had any context to be able to understand what they were booing about and why. All they know the fucking PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES was badmouthing someone and inviting the masses to go along with his (as we know, but they don't, bat-shit crazy) rhetoric.

And yes, bad things happen when impressionable people in uniform forget themselves at a large event and go along with what a leader is doing. That is the tragedy of this. The tragedy that Donald fucking Trump exposed himself to these kids. Not that some 13 yo kids did something stupid.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #86)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:02 PM

89. I hear you.

I do hope a lot of leaders, parents and volunteers do some very deep and serious soul-searching in the coming days and have frank discussions with their sons.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #86)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 05:17 AM

98. Thank you posting this

The BSA realized what a PR nightmare this could be and appealed to the Scouts and leaders to remain civil:
"Decorum - As a unit leader or staff member, you can help make the president’s visit a success by ensuring that any reactions to the president’s address are, as we state in our Scout Law, friendly, courteous, and kind. This includes understanding that chants of certain phrases heard during the campaign (e.g. “build the wall,” “lock her up”) are considered divisive by many members of our audience, and may cause unnecessary friction between individuals and units. Please help us ensure that all Scouts can enjoy this historical address by making sure that your troop members are respectful not only of the president, but of the wide variety of viewpoints held by Scouts and Scouters in the audience tonight."

It's pathetic that the BSA would even feel compelled to say that, but nobody has any illusions about what an imbicile we have as president. More here on the pre-event notice, including the source of that quote: http://www.summitbsa.org/details-presidential-visit-monday

Trump brings everyone down.

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Response to YDogg (Reply #98)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:48 AM

124. If that's the case, wonder how many staffers Drumpf brought with him to cheer and boo on cue.

I do know from seeing a snippet on the news that Drumpf was flashing the White Supremacist's "WO" handsign while he was there, though I imagine by now, it's probably habit.

Microphones at televised events are misleading; if there were 10 - 20 staffers were standing by the cameras, it could seem as if the whole crowd was cheering and booing when in fact, it might have only been a few. Just enough so the Drumpf can re-watch his speech on the networks and believe he was the Superstar of the event.

Haele

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #86)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 09:11 AM

110. I agree and disagree.

I disagree that most of them would not understand about what and why they were booing. I currently have three boys in the age range you mention and all of them and all of their friends are remarkably politically aware. My job also requires me to keep up with generational research and Millennials and Gen-Z are way more plugged in than most people realize. My guess is that of those who booed, quite a few knew exactly what they are doing and why.

That being said, even adults get swept into crowd moods at a large event so I don't think it is fair to judge the boys by a different standard. I agree with you there.

Hands down the worst decision was to invite an admitted sexual assaulter and obvious racist to address the Jamboree, even if he is the President (pains me to type that too). I don't care if it is a tradition. The people who extended the invitation could have predicted this and broken with that tradition.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #83)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 10:51 AM

115. Bwaha! 18-year-olds are fighting in the Middle East in our Armed Forces!

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #115)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 10:52 AM

116. Yes, and that is a shame

18 YOs are no longer active scouts. The vast majority of the KIDS (and they are kids) attending the jamboree are 16 or younger.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:58 PM

87. I just wrote on another thread that I texted the national headquarters that I won't be

donating ANY financial contributions to the BS and will tell my family not to contribute as well. What a horrible, horrible thing to do. The BSOA should apologize to Barack for this buffoon's lack of class.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 10:58 PM

88. As a former Boy Scout

I emailed them to complain. The adult leaders of my troop would have chastised us if we booed a former president or a presidential candidate. Or anyone, really. We would have been told it was against the Scout Law.

If the BSA doesn't denounce this, they might as well get it over with and rename themselves Trump Youth.

As an adult I'm not an enormous fan of the Boy Scouts, but this is really too much.

A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent... Trump is none of these!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:11 PM

90. FUCK the BSA. They still openly discriminate against atheists and gays, so fuck them.

Every scout family I've ever known are RW/Xian assholes.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #90)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 10:37 AM

113. BULLSHIT, Sorry stopbush but Ive got to disagree big time...........

Maybe where your from they discriminate but I was a cub scout then boy scout. And religion was not pushed on anyone, I came from a family where after a lot of discussions It was MY decision to go to church or not. I reached the rank of life in boy scouts, One step from eagle, And never did I get any shit for not being religious. It just wasn't a big deal at all, Ive kept many friendships from boy scouts, I tend to think the boys at the jamboree where just going along with the adults clapping.

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Response to Old Vet (Reply #113)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 10:47 AM

114. BTW, I was at the 1969 jamboree at the age of 16 where.......

Neil Armstrong said hello from space to the scouts, Little did I know that in a short year and a half I would be in the military. Seems like a thousand years ago..........................

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Response to Old Vet (Reply #114)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 02:44 PM

140. It was. nt

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Response to Old Vet (Reply #113)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:55 AM

125. The BSA's OFFICIAL position is to not accept atheists into their ranks.

Is that not true?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #125)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:03 PM

126. They don't push any religion on you... as long as you swear fealty to God.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #126)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:55 PM

133. And swear fealty to imaginary red and blue lines on a map as well...

 

And swear fealty to imaginary red and blue lines on a map as well... but our bias tends to justify that bit of imagination as somehow more real than other bit of imagination, hence our implicit acceptance of it.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #125)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:26 PM

128. For me personally I dont remember ANY position like that..............

We were caught up in to many other issues, So NO Mr stopbush, I found it not to be true even though our meetings were at a very hardcore local country church. Never even met the pastor there to the best of my memory. And my family and myself were most definitely atheists, Before we were even aware of a name for being completely neutral either way in religion.

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Response to Old Vet (Reply #128)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 01:07 PM

134. Here ya go:

Clause 1. The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath the member declares, “On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.” The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the educa- tion of the growing members. No matter what the religious faith of the members may be, this fundamental need of good citizenship should be kept before them. The Boy Scouts of America, therefore, recognizes the religious element in the training of the member, but it is absolutely nonsectarian in its attitude toward that religious training. Its policy is that the home and the organization or group with which the member is connected shall give definite attention to religious life.

Clause 4. Only persons willing to subscribe to these declarations of principles shall be entitled to certificates of leadership in carrying out the Scouting program.

Source: Charter and Bylaws of the BSA, Article X: Policies, Dec 2015

BTW - the BSA went to court in 2000 to defend their right to discriminate against atheists, gays and whoever else they may wish to discriminate against. The court found that as a private organization, the BSA could discriminate against anyone they pleased. They have continued to discriminate.

End of story.

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Response to Old Vet (Reply #128)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:13 PM

146. It's true, whether you agree with it or not

They only recently relaxed their discrimination against gay and trans scouts. They still discriminate against atheist scouts.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #90)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 02:56 PM

141. This one is not.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:12 PM

91. Disgusting

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:16 PM

92. One of the charities that my employer supports is the BSA

Albeit a large organization, I am planning on requesting that they suspend all financial support because of this.
I actually believe they will.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Mon Jul 24, 2017, 11:29 PM

93. Baden-Powell will be vomiting in his grave - n/t

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:05 AM

95. As a former Scout...

I long ago disowned the BSA, after it made one embarrassing social policy decision after another. Even after it tried to right itself, the organization listed on, with the ballast of poor choices past. And here we go again.

Where is the BSA's own loyalty to its own principles, loyalty not to one imperious emperor-in-waiting, but to our democracy and to the once-unassailable values of fair play and justice for all. Shame on any BSA leader local or national or doesn't denounce this sorry display from Trump on down through the organization's "leadership" ranks.

What are we teaching these young boys? To be crass and cynical when they grow up, that's what.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:43 AM

96. So, they cheered at attacks on Hillary and Barack?

I thought at one time they were attempting to raise well balanced young men. Not any more. They are a vile hate mongering group in my book.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 02:56 AM

97. Someone asked (Nicole Wallace?) asked if he was trying to create the Trump Youth. Frightening...

Absolutely frightening.

A lot of the men in my family grew up in the BSA, and were leaders. My sister's husband kept his Unitarian-affiliated group going all through the gay ban, flew a rainbow flag at the Jamboree in defiance of the bigots, was told to remove it, but stayed with the Scouts until it was finally over.

Well, that's over. Turning the BSA into the fucking Hitler Jugend -- no.



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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 05:56 AM

99. I think Hillary Clinton should start a PR campaign designed to improve her image.

A PR campaign to nullify Trump's vicious attacks to her Reputation.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 08:43 AM

100. If the national leadership of BSA

has any decency, they should immediately issue a statement about the inappropriateness of that spectacle.
Policy on Scout Participation in Political Events

The National Boy Scouts of Americas' policy on participation in political events is:

Uniformed unit members or leaders may participate in flag ceremonies at political events and may lead Pledge of Allegiance; however, they should retire after the ceremony and NOT remain on the speakers' platform or in a conspicuous location where television viewers could construe their presence as an endorsement or symbol of support.

In addition, photos of candidates or Scouts in uniform or BSA marks and logos are NOT allowed in political materials of any kind.

The Boy Scouts of America does not endorse any political candidate. Care must be taken to not make implications that we do.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 08:46 AM

101. A racist, misogynistic, narcissistic pathological liar is a GREAT role model

for young men and boys.


I read some of the "highlights" of Trump's speech and I will never buy another can of popcorn or any other fundraiser from the Boy Scouts. Trump's speech was a vile DISGRACE. Shame on the Boy Scouts.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 08:47 AM

102. merit badge

someone needs to photoshop a trump merit badge out of this....

The orange cheeto badge of bullying and temper tantrums...

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 08:48 AM

103. The new Hitler Youth.

Fuck the Boy Scouts, that bigoted organization.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 08:55 AM

105. Politicizing the Boy Scouts is just so repulsive

Kids need heroes and values to look up to and believe in

Trust, loyalty, Scout's honor, service to fellow beings

Dragging raw politics into scouting is just crude



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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #105)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:10 AM

120. I know. Just another reason to hate Trump (not that I needed another).

I feel bad for the BSA leadership. They are in a no-win situation and got fucked by one of the nastiest politicians on the planet. To politicize a boy scout speech? Simply disgusting.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 09:00 AM

107. I've always had mixed feelings about the boy scouts, but this clinches it.

They don't even have good manners anymore.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 09:12 AM

111. Trumps makes any occassion about himself.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 09:45 AM

112. I am so disgusted

that they stood there and let spew that filth that I cannot find words to describe what I'm feeling. What happens to this country will lay at the feet of all republicans.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 10:56 AM

117. Here is the transcript of yesterday's speech before the scouts --

 


Here is the transcript of yesterday's speech before the BSA Jamboree:

http://time.com/4872118/trump-boy-scout-jamboree-speech-transcript/

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:00 AM

118. Here's my email to the BSA president, Kevin Dowling:

Mr.Dowling:

I imagine you are getting a ton of emails regarding the horrible speech Donald Trump gave at what was supposed to be a regular BSA event. Instead, Trump turned it into a rally for himself, with all the ugliness that implies. I understand there were 12 year old boys in that audience, who listened to the "president" of the United States tell them about a yacht party with the "hottest people in New York and hinting about things he could not tell them because of their youth. How SICK is that? He also encouraged them to boo Barak Obama, bragged about his obsession: crowd size, and very likely bored the kids to tears by bragging about his electoral college win and how great "his" economy is.

Boy Scouts of America needs to issue a statement condemning Trump's rants in the strongest possible terms. It has to be more than merely "distancing" from Trump's remarks.

It's also a teachable moment for the boys: if someone tells you to do something wrong, no matter how powerful, rich, etc. that person may be, do the honorable thing and resist.

Thank you. I look forward to the organization's statement.


Mr. Dowling's email: [email protected]

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:16 AM

121. Your anger should be directed at that orange pile of dung, not BSA

He took disgusting unimaginable advantage of the situation. The POTUS is the ceremonial head of the BSA. For 80 years, BSA has invited its ceremonial leader to speak. For 80 years those speeches have been non-political and focused on morality and the principals outlined by the scouts.

The fact that he spoke about partying on a yacht and alluded to an orgy in front of teens and pre-teens shocks even me, and I am one of the most jaded mother fuckers around.

I feel bad for BSA leadership. To not invite this POTUS would have been an overtly political act by a non-political organization. If they condemn the speech, they are again making a political statement. If they don't, assholes like us condemn them for not doing it. It is a no-win situation.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #121)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:20 PM

127. Then they have a decision to make!

Either let this stand, and show their cowardice...or condemn this speech and show courage!

By their silence they condone everything he said, regardless of whether they do or not, and the scouts who were present will come away with the belief that the BSA leadership were in agreement with what the President said!

12 and 13 year olds are impressionable, and they will follow their leaders for the most part...more so if their parents happen to be Trump supporters!

The BSA leadership, need to lead...anything less is just going along to get along!!!

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 11:33 AM

123. Who was that goon in the suit behind Trump nodding and smiling at everything he said?

I can only assume he was a BSA exec. He basically gave the crowd permission to boo.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #123)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:42 PM

131. Ryan Zinke

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Response to VigilantG (Reply #131)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 01:08 PM

135. The Secretary of Interior? Why the fuck did Trump need a political cheerleader?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #135)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:47 PM

150. There were several

Rick Perry and Tom Price were there on stage too--all Eagle Scouts!
Jeff Sessions and Rex Tillerson were also Scouts but not in attendance. Tillerson was there last Friday for a ceremony for his service to the Boy Scouts of America. They dedicated a statue to him.

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Response to VigilantG (Reply #150)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 09:04 PM

152. Sickening.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #152)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 11:02 PM

153. Yes it is

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 12:47 PM

132. Is booing "courteous"?

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 01:09 PM

136. this is how it starts

This was not unplanned; tRump is beginning to use organizations such as the Armed Forces and the Boy Scouts to get youth on board with the new fascism. It will come slowly at first, and then more and more frequently until it becomes "normal." His supporters will love it, and others will just try to ignore it until it is way too late and well past the time anything can be done about it. If people want to send a message immediately, they should stop contributing to the BSA, and encourage their sons to do something more worthwhile with their time. (posted by a former almost-Eagle Scout who remembers what a great organization it once was.)

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Tue Jul 25, 2017, 01:15 PM

137. isn't this the same organization that does not let gays be scout leaders? are any of us

truly surprised?

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Tue Jul 25, 2017, 02:27 PM

138. My family has been involved in Scouting for four years

Two leaders, a cub, and a Boy Scout. We are considering pulling out of Scouting after yesterday. Kid at camp right now. Am so embarrassed after youth booing Obama and Clinton. POTUS is supposed to talk about the values of Scouting and how they align with American and human values. Yesterday was awful.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:02 PM

142. while the BSA were hearing of dons crowd size...the GSA were...

...learning coding and robotics....just saying.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 03:10 PM

143. They should invite Clinton next year, after all she won the popular vote.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:15 PM

147. What did he say about Hillary?

I must have missed it.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 04:37 PM

148. I just called the BSA foundation

and did not get an actual person so I left a voicemail stating that as a business owner and private citizen I have supported the BSA for decades and unless and until I hear a public statement from the BSA admonishing the president for his statements and apologizing for their lack of appropriate response, they have received my last donation dollar. I also left my cell phone number if they'd like to hear it in person. Shame on them.

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Response to nikibatts (Original post)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 06:54 PM

151. Would have been a delight to see the Scout Leader-who was on stage do a Sen John McCain at

that point. Whatever you say about McCain, it was a very decent thing for him to tell that women No mam-Obama is a decent family man (paraphase).

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