It took an international criminal conspiracy to take HRC down

[La Lioness Priyanka]

The news is making that more and more clear.

So.....

if you were one of those people who laughed at us when we said there was Russian interference in this election, FUCK YOU.

if you said, we invented a red scare to cover up for a poor candidate, FUCK YOU.

if you said someone else would have won because she was flawed, FUCK YOU.

If you said she was not taking personal responsibility and demanded an apology from her, FUCK YOU.

Seriously fuck you for being so blindly misogynist that you were willing to ignore an international criminal conspiracy. Seriously, FUCK YOU.

[Johonny]

1. And she still got 3 million more votes...

[YCHDT]

78. +1

[JHan]

2. Preach it !

[gilligan]

53. Amen brother!

[Maven]

3. K & R

She was a tireless, brilliant candidate and she got CHEATED by CRIMINALS. I do not want to hear one more alt-left douchebro tell me how 'weak' and 'flawed' she was. They wouldn't have made it 10% of the way she did, and she STILL got millions more votes than the CRIMINAL engaged in an international conspiracy against her.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. +1

[maddiemom]

124. Hillary is the strongest woman public figure in my lifetime...

and I can remember when Eleanor Roosevelt was still around. Her standing up to hours of congressional grilling was historical. I love Elizabeth Warren as well, but...strong as she is, she hasn't yet had the experience or have had to stand up to what Hillary has.

[Amaryllis]

5. Obvious to us...but the Dems endlessly analyze how they need to change their message.

Maybe this will be enough to change that narrative and get their focus on how to make our election infrastructure more secure.

[Brainstormy]

32. Makes me CRAZY

I cannot understand how those 3 million voters keep getting overlooked!

[maddiemom]

121. THREE MILLION! Check out a crowd shot of 3,000,000 people in one place.

Remember Trump was claiming "it looked like a million and a half" at his inauguration. It was supposedly 1.8 million at Obama's 2009 inauguration. Check the photo of that crowd. Consider nearly twice this number voted for Hillary in 2016 and DIDN'T COUNT!

[ehrnst]

87. 1000+ (nt)

[certainot]

115. dems can't message shit if they're going to ignore talk radio

we let a few hundred liars on 1500 radio stations dominate 40 states with 80 senators and then think we can tweak messaging.

but voting infrastructure attacks are built on 15 years of voter fraud lies tied to racism and immigration - ignored by democrats so it could be used to pass suppression legislation - voter suppression is another symptom of ignoring talk radio, like money in politics.

as long as democrats ignore talk radio talk of election infrastructure remedies will be chewed up in the think tanks and spewed out of 1000 radio stations until each attempt is met with mitch mcconnell types who declare phlegmatically with great certitude that it would be bad for america.

nothing's going to change until americans pull their fingers out and stop giving 1500 fascist putin radio stations a free speech free ride.

[mdbl]

153. Exactly!

This has been proven absolutely for the last 35 years.

[BlueMTexpat]

138. It's not necessarily true Democrats

who are doing that. It is those who are NOT Dems at all, or who consider themselves "progressive" and who likely never voted for HRC at all because they consider themselves to be the sole arbiters of what the Democratic Party should be.

We who are now - and have been - Democrats for a LONG time have never doubted which party has the best message. We can quibble about how effective we are in getting that message out because we can and must do better at that, especially insofar as getting local and state candidates elected and getting US Reps and Senators elected.

After all, by any measure except for an EC that is over-weighted in less populous areas, we WON the Presidency in 2016! And we would likely have won the whole shebang but for Russian interference in those over-weighted areas.

[NastyRiffraff]

155. +++++++

Thank you.

2018, 2018, 2018. And we keep a close eye on voter suppression attempts.

[NBachers]

6. Remember the never ending crescendo of Hillary Hate around Democratic Underground last year?

As time goes on, the HH8'ers look worse and worse. Carrying water for donald trump, the repukes, and a huge international criminal conspiracy.

And, like the trump voters, they're still blind to what they've wrought - obstinate and unrepentant. They'll do it again.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. and being dumb enough to fall for fake russian news that a lot of those groups were inundated with

per the group admins

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/31/fake-news-websites-targeted-trump-bernie-sanders-supporters-to-spread-conspiracy-theories/

[bettyellen]

13. They spawned their own hate site when kicked off here. Yeah they were trying to suppress

The Dem vote. Still are, but look even crazier these days.

[murielm99]

20. I am not going to forget that it was ALLOWED.

It went on forever and no one stopped it. Even when the people doing it were challenged and their lies were disproven, it was allowed.

She was our nominee and it was allowed. Many good people were banned and FFR'ed over it. Where are they? Many of them never came back.

Yes, you are right. They are still blind to it. Blind to treason. Still being critical of our leaders in the House and Senate. Still supporting dubious revolutions. Still being divisive and it is allowed.

[NBachers]

36. Yes, the hair-trigger alert squads and the kicking-people-out-of-group'ers ran amok.

They weaseled their way onto juries and 86'ed truth-tellers. They formed self-supporting gangs of hijackers and pile-on-ers.

But now we're just re-living the primaries. Time to "put this all behind us" and "move forward."

[MiddleClass]

42. They must feel an awful kind of funking stupid, for what they fell for

Now we all know why they felt the way they did,

because the Russians with trumps help planted the seed, Kept watering it, and watched it grow.

How fucking stupid can these so-called Democrats be???


I wonder they can be trained to run after the ball, or even chase cats?

Maybe you get a biscuit. Next time. Good boy

[Chevy]

76. Yes after 14 years

I was reported 3 times in one day and close to banning. DU failed to stand with it's members and nor will I forget what transpired here.

[murielm99]

77. I noticed you don't have a star.

I was silenced for defending our nominee, and could not post for awhile. I have been here since 2003.

I have purchased a star again, but I thought long and hard before doing so.

We need open discussion, as long as all the participants are Democrats. That is why we are here. And I will support this site financially, if I am treated fairly.

[Chevy]

79. Before last election

was just a reader not a contributor got my news from here. But the attacks on HRC and Dems here enraged me so much that I started to comment and go after the bros on here.

[KitSileya]

144. I dropped my star prior to the election, but this week is the first week I'm back at DU

since the election. Being a Hillary supporter, it just wasn't worth posting here. We were basically driven to just a couple of groups - the Hillary group and the AA group, and even there we were alert-hunted. It's still a risk for AAs to post in the AA group, and many prominent AA members have been put in limbo (FFR) for refusing to kowtow to the anti-Hillary contingent. I mean, the Stockholm syndrome series of posts were allowed to stand for a long time, and I never heard the admins say word about what happened to the jurors who let those posts stand.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is an incredibly strong woman, and an even stronger candidate. The abject misogyny of all the posters who claimed she was flawed etc, or who said they would vote for Warren to 'prove' that they weren't misogynists, and then turned around and attacked Warren for her lack of endorsement shows that even on the left, we have huge problems with sexism. DU should be aware of this and combat it, lest the forum becomes irrelevant.

[calimary]

100. Thinking back - kinda hard for forget.

I saw WAY too much to forget what happened. They probably still refuse to accept or concede that they were played like a harmonica.

[mcar]

110. Some good DUers are still in FFR limbo

because of it.

[BlueMTexpat]

140. I am STILL

PO'ed about that!

[maddiemom]

123. You're so right! We had our vote in the primaries.

I voted for Bernie, in fact: afterwards supported and worked wholeheartedly for Hillary locally. Democrats who don't support their party's candidate should vote third party if they wish to, but should stop villifying their party's candidate and be quiet--- or just support the Republican candidate. It's a shame they're throwing their votes away, but the time to try to change the system is not at the ballot box in the general election. This is what got us Trump, and Dubya (much appreciated in comparison).

[murielm99]

128. I voted for Hillary the first time,

when she ran against Obama in the primary. I was our party chair then.

When Obama won, my husband and I put in long days working for him. I can't tell you how many calls, how much walking, fundraising, etc., etc. I was never more happy than when he won the Presidency.

We worked hard for his reelection too. We ended up with tickets to McCormick Place on election night. We stood on a concrete floor for about eight hours, but we got to see and hear him after he was declared the winner.

I think about Dean and his loyal supporters. I knew many of them. Look at how hard Dean worked for Democrats after he dropped out of the race. The fifty state strategy! We could use that again.

[maddiemom]

131. Ironic. I also voted for Hillary in the primary against Obama (I didn't know much about him then).

I worked locally for Obama more during his second campaign, and ran the phone bank. I was happy, at least, to get a Christmas card from the White House. I go back to recruiting the "Kennedy girls" (no problem in a very Republican town because they all wanted the hats and sashes) in junior high in 1960, when JFK was barnstorming the country. My mom was one of the few active local Democrats and got to greet him and sit on stage when he spoke. I so agree with you about Howard Dean. I admire that he still gets involved when he really had an unappreciative deal (for which I blame Rahm Emmanuel).

[ehrnst]

88. The misogyny in so many posts was ugly and deep. (nt)

[betsuni]

98. Funny to see those loons still insisting it's really Hillary/DNC that colluded with Russia.

No puppet, no puppet. You're the puppet.

[maddiemom]

125. LOL!

When Trump came back with that third grade reply to Hillary in a PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, I thought he was finished. I'm a retired teacher and would have nailed a junior high school student who said that if I were judging a debate. That's when I really started to fear for our country.

[xmas74]

114. I left for several months because of the behavior.

It was exhausting, dealing with the Clinton hate.

[pirateshipdude]

133. +1. Eom

[Egnever]

157. Wait since Trump had help from Russia that makes Hillary a good candidate?

Not sure that follows.

Despite the help from Russia Trump's approval rating was still upside down and still enough voted for him in key States to get an electoral college win. In a race with two shitty candidates the Russians influence was enough to swing an electoral college win .

That doesn't mean Hillary was a great candidate.

I am sure this will be hidden cause god forbid we don't build Hillary into something she was not.

Still this ridiculous premise needs push back lest we try to run another candidate that starts off with a negative approval rating.

Donald Trump was the most hated candidate to ever run for president and he won the electoral college. It took an especially shitty candidate to have it be close enough for that to happen. Russian help or not.

If she had been up against say Romney or anyone that was not as despised as Trump and had the same result I would be much more open to the idea she was a great candidate. But she lost the electoral college to the guy with the worst approval rating in history.

A good candidate would have crushed this clown despite Russian influence. She was hated by half the country from the get go. It is why she could not beat Obama and is why she did not beat Trump.

You could certainly argue that a lot of that hate is misplaced but the idea she was a good candidate is just not even remotely believable to anyone but a true believer.

[LexVegas]

7. Yet some alt-left idiots characterize her as a "sub-par candidate".

I have even seen that sentiment expressed here.

[tomp]

94. just because she would have/could have beaten trump in a fair election....

...doesn't mean she was a good candidate. you're conflating winning (against an obvious idiot) with with quality.

[obamanut2012]

105. Agreed -- she wasn't a good canidate

She was a great one.

You are wrong.

[Edina]

118. Wherever you tread tomp you can't let go of the CDS

She was a terrific candidate and the best President we never had.

[maddiemom]

129. The best weapon the Republicans have...

is the ability to get us to buy their narrative about our own candidates. Trump is so bad, that for the first time, the media and a few Republicans are starting to agree with the Democrats.

[tomp]

150. CDS?

she was better than trump and I voted for her. but she is still part of a corrupt system.

[BlueMTexpat]

141. WOW ...

you seem blinded by your anti-HRC-bias and/or your misogyny.

Why are you even here?

Hillary was the best and most qualified candidate in the sense of real-life relevant experience ever. You're right, she wasn't a "good" candidate.

She was a sensational candidate.

[tomp]

151. Define bias.

Easy to throw slander around with terms like bias and misogyny.

The suggestion that the only reason a person could oppose clinton is bias and misogyny is absurd and is the exact strategy of Democratic party power mongers and apologists.

[LiberalLovinLug]

159. + 1000

This kind of conflation and downright falsehoods like there was anyone on DU that "laughed at us when we said there was Russian interference".

That didn't happen here. It is an invention for some with an need to create an ugly straw man to vent out against.

I find it increasingly upsetting to see this leftover primaries grudge allowed to continue in here. Where there is no room for nuance. I always thought this was a more open discussion site where things were not forged early into only two piles.

For instance, the mass majority of Bernie supporters followed Bernie's example and voted for Hillary. Especially here on DU. (on another site not so much) Yet on DU we have these rumor mongers perpetrating this myth that if you dared support him, as a DU member and Democratic party voter, you are just as much as a scum as a Trump voter.

She WAS flawed. But that was very much BECAUSE of Russian meddling. That is not in any way saying she was personally flawed in character, it means politically flawed. I don't know why that is so hard to differentiate with some. It was because of mostly the decades long relentless work of RW hate radio and TV. And yes, she made mistakes herself on top of it. Like support of NAFTA and the TPP which did not go down well in the rust belt. Or her email server mistake that she herself apologized for. But to be more nuanced, what I'm saying is that her mistakes alone should NOT have lost her the election. Every politician has at least some baggage. (that can be blown our of proportion by the enemy).

But IMO and others, because of those unfair and horrendous attacks on her and the Clinton name in general, Sanders would have been less flawed. Especially in garnering those few more votes needed in the rust belt. That is the truth, there needs to be no Hillary bashing intent to to have that simple opinion. It is naive to portent that it was only the Ruskies that took Hillary down. It was also because of GOP Governor led gerrymandering, and Crosscheck, and decades long fake news propaganda by RW hate radio and TV. In fact that had even more of an impact. There are those that are so dead set that the Clintons are murderous criminals because of this fake news brainwashing, it is sickening.

And to flip that around and to say FUCK YOU to all the Democrats that happened to support another candidate originally back in the primaries...for an election loss that was out of our hands from the get go because of ALL of those under handed tactics? I wish these folks would realize they are doing more damage than good, in regards to party unity, just to be able to vent their anger at fellow DUers as an easy and invented scapegoat in which to feel better. Why?

[ck4829]

8. Sham "elections" have consequences

We need to treat the Putin regime as an enemy and we need to work with Russian liberals and progressives, they are our allies.

And it's kind of funny that the same people who say we "invented a red scare" have no problem with, no, they fantasize about a war with 1.8 billion people.

Moving forward, we need to look at ways of stripping powers from the presidency. This is something we can do starting today, from the bottom-up as well as from the top-down. This may be the only way to mitigate the Kremlin-compromised executive branch of our federal government.

[Zoonart]

10. Hillary is the queen of the hill.

She dragged Trump and his criminal crime family, The Benghazi Hearings, The Faux e-mail bullshit, Faux News, A complicit MSM,
fourty years of GOP ratfucking of she and Bill,and a shitload of bots and Russian hackers...all on her back... accross the finish line with 3million votes to spare and NEVER LET THEM SEE HER SWEAT.

I love her, and she would have made an awesome president. Americas loss and we are all now paying.

[The Polack MSgt]

112. I will never forget this

I went from ambivalent about her to fully in love over the course of 14 months.

Her testimony in front of Trey Gowdy's international house of treason enablers flat killed it 4 me.

Hours of brushing dirt from her shoulders. No fear. No retreat.

But that was dismissed as irrelevent... By people I no longer regard as allies.

[BlueMTexpat]

142. + a million or so! eom

[KitSileya]

145. Amen!

"But that was dismissed as irrelevent... By people I no longer regard as allies. "

Exactly! With 'friends' like these, who needs enemies? It is time to face up to the fact that these so-called progressives aren't worth chasing. I have written elsewhere that I think we would do better to chase disenfranchised voters than the unicorn left - we should build up a fifty-state network that works to get people registered to vote, making it easier, and even compensate them for lost wages if that is legal. A non-profit organisation, whose only goal is to register people to vote, streamlining the process in each state, and informing everyone of their rights. The repukes only win if the turnout is low.

Let the alt left and the white working class wallow in the mess they have made - their votes aren't worth chasing, for they voted based on sexism, racism, and homophobia. We're never going to win them, so we should use our precious resources on them. Disenfranchised minorities, on the other hand, they are worth the effort.

[maddiemom]

127. Yes! Beautiful analysis!

[Baitball Blogger]

11. And it's not the first conspiracy attack the Clintons have been subjected to.

First, the right-wing conspiracy group tried in the nineties. And then Russia said, "Fuck you, amateurs. Let us show you how it's done."

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. yup. and only us 'neoliberal corporatists' were smart enough not to fall for this

[Baitball Blogger]

58. In all fairness, I think progressives, in general, agreed with her comments regarding

the right-wing conspiracy. And I def supported her for the "plantation mentality" comment for which she received a boatload of grief. She was correct there, too.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

59. in fairness, i am not a neoliberal corporatist, just was accused of being one by people

whose opinions were hacked by a foreign adversary

[Baitball Blogger]

60. LOL!

Gotcha.

[Me.]

12. I Don't Have Any More Of Those To Give To

The willfully ignorant, the let's blow it all up coalition (yes Sarandon & Stein, I'm speaking to you and yours), the mendacious Cons who knew it was happening and let it while filling their coffers, the boy-bots who think Ivanka is so hot we should all ignore everything else and point fingers at the Clintons (yes Josh Barro I'm speaking to you and yours) to anyone with a Russian connection who didn't come clean while running campaigns (yes Ted Devine and Paul Manafort I'm speaking to you) and to all the others who helped give us 45 while we could've had a decent government and president with HRC.

And as a sideline Ps. The Dems just won 4 elections so I assume Nancy Pelosi can stay now.

[ananda]

15. Agree!

I never thought Clinton ran a bad campaign.

As she moved towards the left due to the Sanders influence,
I gave her a lot of credit.

[murielm99]

22. Sanders?

What does he have to say about the furor surrounding Don, Jr. and the Russian involvement? I haven't heard.

[murielm99]

83. And yet he has criticized Democrats

for not speaking up strongly enough. Curious. Lukewarm.

BTW, there is a well-researched thread here on all the Democrats in Congress who have made strong statements about the Trump/Russia fiasco.

[INdemo]

92. Bullshit

That is just pure bullshit.
You never give up on bashing Bernie Sanders.

[SoCalMusicLover]

101. Some Folks Need To Place Blame

Never mind the fact she would have had the election stolen without his presence in the primaries.

Lots of hatred here for Bernie. Acting like he was responsible for some mass outbreak of not voting amongst Democrats.

The election was STOLEN. Just like in 2000, just like in 2004.

[MiddleClass]

16. I am not particularly religious, but amen, you go girl

What an elaborate conspiracy, they even more talking about Hillary's faults.

Yet, like all the women assaulted by Bill Cosby or Donald Trump automatically did something wrong,

what was that you said again??? – Or yeah – FUCK YOU.

But I think we are preaching to the choir.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. a lot of people on the left demanded that she apologize and take personal responsiblity

and not bring up russia

those people can go fuck themselves

[MiddleClass]

25. Remember that? I was like yes take personal responsibility

But that should only be Hillary saying that to herself.

When she thought about it. If she said hell no, it was the Russians.

Maybe they should have let her make up our own mind, wait a while,

and it all would have been repealed to those ass holes.

Now, they're ratting each other out, while actually just jockeying for position.

To be the first to be given a plea deal and turn states evidence, then stay out of jail themselves

[Alice11111]

30. I'm with you 100pc, gal. Hillary is tougher than all the

sleezy Repubs put together. Big difference: she is compassionate, honest & competent!

[Gothmog]

17. Great post

[delisen]

19. She is the tough hombre. She scares the white collar criminals,

the xenophobes, and the elitists who hate equality. She scares the international evildoers and the "me-firsters" all over the world.

Come called her careless but at least she never tried to blend in with the curtains to avoid being noticed by an Oval Office evil-doer, whether it was Richard Nixon or Donald Trump.

[lunamagica]

69. Agree with everything, except that I would say she's the tough mujer

[delisen]

152. Thank you. "tough mujer" it is.

[niyad]

21. k andr + several gazillion

[NBachers]

23. Suggest here that she should still be considered presidential material- watch the replies you get.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

63. Amazing how powerful misogyny is

And how pernicious.

[Orsino]

24. And more than that...

...it took a populace many of whom actively preferred the international criminal conspiracy to having a woman president.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. lot of leaders provided them cover by implying her message was flawed, she was flawed

everything was about her and not their own bigotry.

[Orsino]

33. The implication being that her various opponents weren't flawed...

...or were men and were therefore allowed to be flawed.

[Alice11111]

35. Yeah, I had arguments about that too. Brainwashed

[MoonRiver]

26. So true, and I will never get over it!

Just the thought about what would have, should have been if Putin and the orange menace hadn't stolen the election...

[lunamagica]

73. I will never get over it either. I can't and I wont

[Hekate]

29. A pretty comprehensive list, thank you. I hope others will add more.

For you, Lioness.

[Squinch]

31. And when you look at who perpetrated it, I have to believe that the fact that

they went after a woman was no mistake.

She is a true patriot and possibly the strongest person I have ever witnessed in action. She went out there day after day as people spread lies about her. She was treated horribly, and she persisted only because she wanted to make life better for Americans.

[Paladin]

34. BRAVA! My sentiments, exactly.

You Hillary haters can kiss my ass, now and forever more.

[sheshe2]

37. K&R

[yallerdawg]

62. Yes - we remember like it was yesterday.

But, some of us persist!

[sheshe2]

64. Resist

Persist!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. ...

[JHan]

72. I always miss the hilarious hate posts lol

Bad timing . I can only guess....

[emulatorloo]

43. Did you post RT and Fox articles in 2016? Salivate over every word spoken by Joe DiGenova?

If not, this thread is not about you.

There was no RW source too vile for some to post at DU. Most of those folks are gone, although there's a handful of cheerleaders still around who smeared DU'ers who fought back against RW propaganda being posted here.

We've established you did not participate in that. However you don't get to pretend it never happened or was just a mild "disagreement"

[La Lioness Priyanka]

46. also, the young turks and intercept. nt

[murielm99]

143. I am still seeing people here

using the intercept as a source and posting links to it. I have alerted when I see that. So far, it has done no good. I hope others are alerting when they see that source.

[IronLionZion]

40. Someone doesn't like this thread

I found this through jury service just now

[La Lioness Priyanka]

41. look at the post above you

[emulatorloo]

47. Apparently most DU'ers don't like to be gaslighted so the poor fellow was deleted.

I'll never forget the gleeful posting of RT, Fox, Washington Times, and even Breitbart by alleged "progressives" on DU in 2016. And I am sure not going to sit by when somebody attempts to minimize it as a 'difference of opinion' or pretend it never happened.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

48. Yes. also, i believe Kamala Harris and Kirsten Gillibrand are frontrunners for 2020

and i dont want what happened with HRC to happen to them too.

this is not just about the past, it is about the future too.

[emulatorloo]

50. Yes, have already seen attempts to smear them @ Reddit.

[Me.]

51. Both Sides Doncha Know?

[GulfCoast66]

56. Right there with you

[LisaM]

44. This thread is getting me riled up (in a good way!)

I, too, am tired of the subtle and not-so-subtle cracks made against a fantastic candidate.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

49. me too. sick of it.

that's my 2020 criterion too, if you attacked her for losing in any way shape or form, i'm not voting for you.

[Kath2]

147. Right on.

Agree 100%!

[workinclasszero]

45. + 1000000000!

[pirateshipdude]

52. Yes. Thank-you. Right on. Eom

[barbtries]

54. how long ago did she claim that there was

a vast right wing conspiracy??

she was fucking right about that all along

[thbobby]

55. Overwhelming Great Post!

Hillary would have been at least as good a president as Obama.

Probably better:

She wouldn't have put up with GOP bullshit hoping for a bipartisan love of country.

She loved and served America and Americans.

She was a woman. America needs a Woman president. We also needed a black president. Obama was the best president in my lifetime (60 years). I could have been saying the same about Hillary in eight years.

But a black president and THEN a woman president. Bigots and traitors had to prove that a male was what was best. Enter Pussygrabber Trump.

Thief, serial liar, mobster, pervert, rapist, child molester (Walked in on 15-year-old naked girls at a beauty pageant). Raped one of his ex-wives.

Clear to see why religious right and patriots supported him.

And Putin was scared shitless by Hillary.

[Blue_Tires]

57. co-signed

[lapucelle]

61. She spoke out. She tried to warn us. And you ignored and mocked her.

She was right. Say it.

Silence = Complicity

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029307974

https://www.damemagazine.com/2017/06/01/silencing-hillary-clinton-supporter

[Bleacher Creature]

65. She positively took him apart in all three debates.

People can believe whatever the hell they want, but it speaks to the strength of her candidacy that it took Vladimir Putin and James Comey to tip the scale against her.

[C Moon]

66. I love it when posts like this get the trolls to exploid...then they get removed. :D

They try their best to hide, then a great post like this finally gets under their skin. Love it!

[lunamagica]

67. She was a MARVELOUS candidate. But people wanted absolute PERFECTION from her

something which has never been asked of anyone but her.

And the fact that the election was stolen was obvious from the start. Come on, she won by 3 million votes and yet lost the EC? Doesn't that sounds...strange (for lack of a better word)?

How could every or the great majority of polls be wrong? I remember this guy on the O'Donnell show this guy explaining how Hillary had already won FL due to early voting. He gave details, and it seemed like a sure thing.

The whole thing doesn't make any sense, unless it is accepted that THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

68. K&R nt

[BadgerMom]

70. Vast right wing conspiracy

aided by the Russians. The Dominionists and Kochs and Mercers all helped in the theft of this election. She was NOT defeated! She knew what was happening in this country in 1998 and she was robbed of the presidency because if it. She was informed and prescient.

[Initech]

99. Also aided by Breitbart and Infowars.

After all, you need an army of uninformed idiots to spread the bullshit.

[Chevy]

74. Oh hell yeah!!!

And a special FU to the bros and alt left media for complicity in it as well.

[W T F]

75. FAKE ELECTION!!!!!!

[YCHDT]

116. +1, am I the only one pissed more now there's solid proof ?!? To some degree I wanted King Con

... cons upid fuck ups not traitors

[Hekate]

81. Kicking again for the hell of it. Indeed, fck all the ratfckers, just fck them.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

84. .....

[NanceGreggs]

85. ...

[AnotherMother4Peace]

86. Great post. The election was stolen by the opposition/Russians.

[GoCubsGo]

89. My only complaint about this post is

that there are insufficient "FUCK YOUs." It can't be said enough. FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

90. Ha ha! Fair point.

[UtahLib]

91. Thank You

for the heart pounding declarations! I could not possibly agree more. This is what I hope for and expect from a site claiming to be Democratic Underground.

[betsuni]

93. YES!

[ismnotwasm]

95. Yes, this--all of it

[LittleBlue]

96. Ultimately, the ones responsible were the ones who cast votes

At the end of the day, the American people knew that there was a Russian effort to topple her. And they still voted for the Groper.

It is what it is.

[yuiyoshida]

97. K&R and Tweeted

N/T

[Wiseman32218]

102. K & R

[LonePirate]

103. And it likely took down a Democratic Senate as well.

[obamanut2012]

104. This

[Baconator]

106. It's crazy to think that someone else couldn't have beat Donald Trump...

A different personality, a better strategist, someone with less history/baggage...

One does not exclude the other.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

111. Lol sure

[Baconator]

119. What a deep thought...

You can't seriously believe that there wasnt one person in all of America who could have beaten Trump?

The Clinton campaign made no errors? Had a charming and motivating candidate? Sound media policy?

Y'all need to start being honest with yourselves or this is going to happen again and again.

[JHan]

130. every campaign makes errors.

what you don't seem to understand is that last year Americans saw first hand what "information wars" look like - and if we don't understand the dynamics of that, yeah.. it will "happen again and again"

It's game theory at work here- how to cause fractures in the opposition, how to create chaos through cyber warfare and a sophisticated disinformation campaign, how to cause an electorate to lose confidence in their institutions.

[lunamagica]

132. I personally don't think anyone would have done better than Hillary

You are really making our point with your second statement. No one said her campaign made no errors. In fact ALL campaigns make errors, but curiously, perfection was demanded from Hillary, and only her. I wonder why?

Charming and motivating? Yes, I thought she was. But the reason I supported her (and still do) is because she's a brilliant, superbly prepared person, and the most qualified candidate running, See, I'm not really into flashy, "colorful" candidates, I go for depth, quality and substance. I'm not alone feeling this way, There's a reason why despite all the attacks by the right and the left - and everything mentioned in the OP- she still received 3 million more votes than her opponent.

Just watch the news. We Hillary supporters are being proved right. The evidence grows on a daily base

And I'm completely honest with myself, thank you very much.

[Baconator]

149. I stand corrected...

I shouldn't say 'no errors' but 'fewer errors'...

Beyond that, I'm good with what I wrote.

Your post reads like internal polling from last year. Everything's fine. We're great. Everyone loves us and don't change a thing...

[lunamagica]

160. Internal polling? really? which part? Please tell me, because I don't see it

You don't agree that she is brilliant, and superbly prepared? Isn't it a fact that despite attacks from the left and right she received three million more voted than trump? I'm I wrong to value depth substance and quality over "Charming"?

If you want to ignore the facts even though they are glaringly obvious, and new ones coming out each day, well that's your prerogative, but it is not reality.

[Baconator]

162. Going down the line...

She is certainly intelligent. I never saw brilliance myself...

The end result would suggest that she was in fact not prepared.

3 million more popular votes mean absolutely squat. It's like complaining about a football game where your team had fewer points but touched the ball more than the other team.

So what...?

[lunamagica]

163. Come on...three million votes means she motivated people and she was the right candidate

is the system that failed. More proof coming every day that there was interference and collusion. If you refuse to see it, that's on you.

So who, in your opinion was more qualified than she was?

[Baconator]

164. It's tough to say since we had such a weak primary...

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I think Biden could have made a stronger case or maybe someone younger that represented a more advantageous age demographic.

Edit: Also, since the beginning of time and especially since the modern media era (a la Nixon vs Kennedy), personality, appearance and ability to create enthusiasm are as essential to a winning candidate as actual experience and capacity to govern.

Hate it or love it... It's a fact...

[jrthin]

107. You go!!!! nt

[Starry Messenger]

108. All the thumbs up

There were people positively gloating over Guccifer and wanted the "33,000" emails as much as Trump. Such garbage. I'm glad they are gone.

I was looking at some old threads today, and the crap that got brigaded onto the greatest page is just unreal.

[mcar]

109. You said it so well

[KentuckyWoman]

113. She isn't "down".

They didn't take her down. They cheated her out of being president in 2017 but that in no way equal to being "down".

My personal feeling is she can be far more effective outside the oval office.

[Edina]

117. Yes You Are 100 Percent Correct

There are still some places you would get slammed for a post like this and but you are 100 percent correct!!!!!!

[nolabear]

120. If I had it my way...

Hillary would be carried in on the shoulders of celebrating Democrats while we threw confetti and sang songs of revolution and celebration.

And you know what? If it never happens irl, we'll always know it's the Capitol T Truth!

[moda253]

122. +all of it. Everything.

All my base are belong to you. You win because you hit the nail so squarely on the head there is nothing else to be said.

[Gothmog]

126. Trump and Russia stole the election from Clinton

[BainsBane]

134. the comment I read that sticks out

was that David Brock did more to undermine America than the Russians. I asked for the person to elaborate on that point but got crickets. I asked, "why, because he ran a couple of pro-Clinton websites?"
No response.

That told me absolutely everything there is to know about the person in question's values. Sadly, that person is not alone in their complete lack of concern for democracy or the lives of their fellow citizens.

We sadly live in a time in far too many put their own egos above the lives of their fellow citizens. That is how the Russian propaganda campaign on behalf of a malignant narcissist was able to succeed.

[pirateshipdude]

135. "far too many put their own egos above the lives"

This is a fact. It is also beyond my ability to comprehend. It really is. I try, and still, nothing. I do not get these people, how they look themselves in the mirror.

[BainsBane]

136. The worst is that

they pretend there is something leftist about such an attitude.

[pirateshipdude]

137. Progressive. That is the real insult. Eom

[BlueMTexpat]

139. Please add an enormous

"FUCK YOU" from me to ALL of the above!

[JustAnotherGen]

146. Well written!

I think though - they will never admit they got played. And - were players themselves.

[Kath2]

148. They were players.

That becomes more clear every day.

[dlk]

154. Where's the Dirt?

With their endless digging, where's the dirt?

[world wide wally]

156. I don't feel sorry for Hillary... I feel sorry for America

[lunamagica]

161. Yess it was our loss. An enormous loss

[triron]

158. Amen

[Gothmog]

165. K&R