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Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:09 AM

 

Pence resigns, Repubs replaces him with someone

that they think will pass their agenda, Trump resigns, Pence replacement becomes President.

I think that is what will happen.

Re: Agnew, Nixon, Ford

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Reply Pence resigns, Repubs replaces him with someone (Original post)
wasupaloopa Jul 2017 OP
MineralMan Jul 2017 #1
OnDoutside Jul 2017 #16
marylandblue Jul 2017 #2
Historic NY Jul 2017 #4
ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #3
wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #7
ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #22
jmowreader Jul 2017 #25
ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #46
wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #41
global1 Jul 2017 #5
wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #8
global1 Jul 2017 #14
tblue37 Jul 2017 #43
MurrayDelph Jul 2017 #15
global1 Jul 2017 #17
tblue37 Jul 2017 #44
FM123 Jul 2017 #6
FSogol Jul 2017 #9
Not Ruth Jul 2017 #29
global1 Jul 2017 #12
Me. Jul 2017 #10
titaniumsalute Jul 2017 #11
ChoppinBroccoli Jul 2017 #13
DefenseLawyer Jul 2017 #23
Not Ruth Jul 2017 #36
onecent Jul 2017 #47
politicat Jul 2017 #45
struggle4progress Jul 2017 #18
JoeStuckInOH Jul 2017 #19
struggle4progress Jul 2017 #21
Bettie Jul 2017 #20
applegrove Jul 2017 #24
CK_John Jul 2017 #26
applegrove Jul 2017 #27
Locutusofborg Jul 2017 #30
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #32
CK_John Jul 2017 #38
Drunken Irishman Jul 2017 #33
CK_John Jul 2017 #39
raging moderate Jul 2017 #28
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #34
CK_John Jul 2017 #40
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2017 #31
Drunken Irishman Jul 2017 #35
Raine1967 Jul 2017 #37
standingtall Jul 2017 #42

Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:11 AM

1. No, I don't think so. Repubs like Pence.

Why would he resign? Sounds like a fantasy to me, more than a possibility, really.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:28 AM

16. That's on the presumption that nothing comes out about him, and the chances of that aren't too high.

He's a slippery snake, but he's not a mastermind. Remember too that he's been fighting to keep his Indiana emails secret.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:13 AM

2. Pence won't resign, he is maintaining plausible deniability

A luxury that Agnew didn't have, because he was prosecuted for corruption dating back to when he was a county official.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:16 AM

3. I See The Opposite

Were you of adult age during Watergate era? What you're describing is sort of the opposite of what happened with the Nixon/Ford thing. Ford didn't achieve any major legislative success from Nixon's agenda, or the Republican agenda of the time. He was perilously close to a figurehead.

He had no chance in '76, and Carter, who didn't inspire all that many independents, won easily, even with an independent challenge from John Anderson.

Taking over for a administration in disgrace is hardly a bully pulpit from which to drive an agenda.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:31 AM

7. I was 22 during Watergate

 

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 11:35 AM

22. Then You'd Remember

Ford was a toothless tiger. The only thing he accomplished was pardoning Nixon and whipping up a frenzy over inflation (remember Whip Inflation Now, or W.I.N.?) and he got killed come 1976 for that. The Congress wasn't really listening to him and the american people dismissed him out of hand.

And, he was not an unpopular character before any of that. He was seen as a good and honorable man but when he got caught up in the wake of Watergate he might as well have been on the ship as it went down.

I'm sure you recall him being the butt of comics' jokes. Chevy Chase launched his career by lampooning Ford. Ford trips on the steps and now he's a national joke. If it weren't for the stain of Watergate, that never would have happened.

Coming in to mop up the blood after a total disaster of an administration running off in disgrace is not an aid in pushing an agenda

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 05:55 PM

25. Ford was picked specifically because he was an honorable man

After Nixon, the Republicans knew they were screwed in 1976. They needed a nice, honest, inoffensive man who wouldn't mind finishing out his political career by serving as President of the United States to soothe the country for two years until the Democrats moved into the White House in 1977. Ford was the perfect man for the job.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 14, 2017, 09:14 AM

46. Concur

That said, to the american public at large his clout was pretty close to zero. This is what happens when you have to take over after a disastrous disgrace.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 14, 2017, 12:14 AM

41. I remember all that. I think the country

 

wanted a rest from the war and the protests and Watergate.

Ford was calming influence. I lived in Michigan when he ran against Carter. It was made very clear to us in MI that to save auto industry jobs we needed to keep Ford in office.

He was the only Repub I ever voted for in my life

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:19 AM

5. I'm Curious - Who Do You Think The Repugs Will Tap To Be Pence's Replacement?.....

And a comment here: If this is to happen - Pence needs to resign soon - as eyes are beginning to focus on him and his possible knowledge of the Russian collusion and his possible meetings/contacts with the Russians. He needs to walk out of the Trump administration relatively unscathed. I don't know if that is possible.

I just posted my theory about some of the notable Repugs that are leaving the Party and declaring themselves as Independents.

Your Pence theory here might fit in with my scenario as to the 2018 Midterms.

Check out this link: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029321394

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Response to global1 (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:43 AM

8. Kasic (sp?)

 

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:19 AM

14. That Would Be My Guess Too....

Kasich seems to be one of the voices of reason within the Repug Party. He certainly has more credibility and likability than the likes of Rubio and Cruz and the other members of the Repug 2016 clown car. Another possibility could be to resurrect Jeb.

With respect to Kasich - if you google him - you will find a number of articles tapping him to run against Trump (should Trump last that long) in 2020.

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Response to global1 (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 14, 2017, 01:45 AM

43. He us a far right extremist. He only looks good compared to people like Trump and Pence.

Yes, he expanded Medicaid and is lobbying Congress to not repeal the ACA, but he is gung ho for the rest of the right wing agenda.

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Response to global1 (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:24 AM

15. Mitt Romney

Pretty much anyone else would not take the heat off.

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Response to MurrayDelph (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:29 AM

17. I Don't Think So....

Romney is a loser and has no credibility. He embarassed himself when he had that dinner with Trump. Looks weak.

Kasich on the other hand - always was against Trump and even after Trump won the nomination and the presidency - Kasich still was against Trump For that reason - Kasich would have a lot of credibility with the Repug voters that want to recover their Party.

Watch in the next few weeks - Kasich will show up as a guest on Morning Joe.

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Response to global1 (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 14, 2017, 01:48 AM

44. Trump sent Fredo to offer Kasich the VP slot, telling him he could run the

country's domestic and foreign policy. When Kasich asked what Trump would be doing, Fredo said he would be making America great again.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:26 AM

6. If we're going to come up with possible scenarios....

How about Hillary runs and wins congressional seat in NY, the Reps lose the majority in the House, then Dems make her Speaker, the Dems impeach and remove Trumpy & Pence then BOOM she automatically becomes Prez?!?
What? It could happen....

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Response to FM123 (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 09:58 AM

9. Not realistic, but how about if DARPA produces a talking Llama who wins the hearts & minds of rural

American by appearing (hopelessly outmatched) on some reality dancing shows. The llama is swept into office during the midterms and begins a new era of environmental stewardship to insure a large supply of tasty grain pellets.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:15 PM

29. That would captivate the elementary school vote

 

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Response to FM123 (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:14 AM

12. WoW!!!!!!! nr

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:08 AM

10. Pence's Spokesman Won't Say If He Had Contact With Russians

That means he has, as a no would be automatic....thus Pence is going to have problems too. As may Ryan & McConnell.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:09 AM

11. No way...

the right are creaming themselves behind closed doors for President Jesus Pence.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:15 AM

13. If Trump Gets To Replace Pence, I Predict He'll Choose..........

..............Newt Gingrich. Just a gut feeling. I think he really WANTED Gingrich as his original running mate but was told it wasn't strategically sound. Plus, Gingrich has been busy getting his face in front of as many cameras as possible lately. Seems like something is in the offing.

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 11:39 AM

23. Newt doesn't have a lot of friends on the Hill.

 

The Republicans kicked his ass out in disgrace.

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 07:11 PM

36. Ivanka

 

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Response to Not Ruth (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 14, 2017, 09:20 AM

47. Ivanka????? That would be just like having the Dump

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 14, 2017, 02:18 AM

45. Newtie's always thirsty, though. He needs cameras like he needs water.

PLus, so much dirt on him, too. I don't think any uptick in his bloviations means anything other than he's fighting for attention in a distracted field.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:32 AM

18. The President fills a Vice-presidential vacancy

If the presidency and vice-presidency are both vacant, Speaker of the House (Ryan) is next in line, followed by President pro tem of the Senate (Hatch)

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:36 AM

19. So Trump appoints a replacement by fiat... or you're saying no replacement and trump does both jobs?

 

Either way, that's pretty terrible choices... the guy can't even do his own job let alone Pence's, too.

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Response to JoeStuckInOH (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:43 AM

21. Twenty-fifth amendment, section 2:

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress

BTW, a vacancy in the office of the Vice President is a vacancy, not an opportunity for the President to exercise the powers of both offices.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 10:42 AM

20. As long as they give him a Theocracy for Mother

he'll sign anything they ask him to.

Why would they get rid of him?

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 04:15 PM

24. What happens if Trump and Pence have a fight and Trump fires him

and replaces him with Christe "it was always you, Chris"?

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Response to applegrove (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:06 PM

26. Pence is elected and can only be removed by impeachment.

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Response to CK_John (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:09 PM

27. Trump can't fire him? I did not know that.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:17 PM

30. Trump Can Ask For Him to Resign

Same thing as firing him.

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Response to Locutusofborg (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:48 PM

32. And Pence can tell him no, because he was elected

and can't be fired.

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Response to Locutusofborg (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 07:49 PM

38. He can ask, but Pence can tell him to go pound your burger.

The VP has 2 jobs, President of the Senate and break a vote and to call the WH and check on see if the POTUS is still breathing.

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Response to CK_John (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:53 PM

33. Pence can resign.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 07:50 PM

39. but he doesn't have to.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:09 PM

28. Remember Spiro Agnew?

Somehow the Republicans would rather we all forgot about Spiro Agnew.

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Response to raging moderate (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:53 PM

34. Agnew had to resign because of his plea deal.

He was charged with having accepted bribes while he was the Governor of Maryland and Vice President but was allowed to plead no contest to the charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income - only on the condition that he resign as Vice President.

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Response to raging moderate (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 07:53 PM

40. He was charged for bribes as Gov of Md.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:47 PM

31. It doesn't work that way. If Pence were to resign

Trump would replace him with whoever he wanted, though that person would have to be confirmed by the Senate. But no way in hell will Pence resign. I suspect he's been surreptitiously measuring the drapes in the Oval Office already.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 06:54 PM

35. Trump & Pence are already passing the GOP agenda.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Jul 13, 2017, 07:14 PM

37. No. The GOP wants Trump to resign-- Pence will give them everything they want.

Right now Dolt 45 is in their way.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Fri Jul 14, 2017, 01:32 AM

42. No way Trump resigns then he couldn't use executive powers to obstuct the investigations into him

and his whole family of criminals.

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