I just realized that new rules are now in effect in Georgia in order to renew your driver's license

[CatWoman]

Under the new rules, which began Tuesday, drivers have to bring an original
or certified birth certificate, proof of Social Security number (a Social
Security card, W-2 form or federal tax return) and two documents proving
where they live.

Previous rules required these forms of identification when
applying for a new driver’s license or ID card, but now the forms are also
required for renewals. Also, the first renewal after the law change must be
done in person, not online.

[COLGATE4]

1. Got to keep all those 'undesireables' from

voting this November somehow.

[kenny blankenship]

22. Actually All this new bullshit is due to Homelander Sicherheitsdienst

If you aren't experiencing the same joy in your state yet, it's just a matter of time.

[COLGATE4]

39. Not really. Homeland Security has mandated that

States create a tamperproof Drivers License. But States switching to that as the ONLY acceptable form of ID is something they have created themselves in order to discourage the 'others' from voting. It's good old fashioned racism, coupled with typical Rethug dirty politics.

[RT Atlanta]

2. Glad I signed up for the 10 year renewal a few years back

Im still safe for another 5-6 years and hopefully by then the laws will be changed again to something more manageable.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

5. "hopefully by then the laws will be changed again to something more manageable."

Report back in 5-6 years and let us know how it is working out for you?

[RT Atlanta]

21. um, okay....

n/t

[kenny blankenship]

37. Considering how the Senate passed this sweeping change *w/o even debating it*

despite the fact that this law, in effect, creates a National ID card , it's safe to say there will be no repeal of it in as soon as five or six years.

The Real Papieren Act passed the House (42 Democrats voting yea, believe it or not); it was never debated in the Senate not even in a subcommittee, but was attached in conference to another bill funding the wonderful Iraq War , and then was passed by the US Senate UNANIMOUSLY.

So much for the idea that significant legislation - such as meaningful, non-fraudulent health care reform - couldn't be enacted through the conference procedure.

[RockaFowler]

3. Same in Florida

I just got the information when I got my registration for my car. Not sure I understand why I need it when I had to show it originally when I got my license in 1988 and why that isn't good enough now!! It was good enough then!

[HockeyMom]

11. Passport

If you are a married woman you will have to bring your marriage license too. I have had too much trouble with my NYC short, short form BC over the past 50+ years. They will get my US Passport, in my married name, and that is it. They don't like that, argue with the FEDS!!!!! I am not going through all this paperwork shit, AGAIN, in Florida.

[wandy]

18. Well if you were born in another state, let us sa Pa......

It can be long, drawn out and almost painfull affair to get a copy of ones birth certificate.
The voice of experience.

The object of the game here is not an idenity check.

[RockaFowler]

20. I was born in CT

My birth certificate has my maiden name on it. And it's a short form. That's all I have.

Oh and my marriage license should be enough. I had to bring in my birth certificate and another form of ID at that time. It was certified by the state and a notary when we got married.

I'm sick of proving the same thing over and over again. They act as if people have all of this time in the world to get the information that they should already have. But no the 2 systems don't even talk to each other.

[CTyankee]

29. Getting a passport was fun. Birth certificate with one name. My old

passport in my first married name, not my current married name. My recommendation: get a passport and keep renewing it if you plan to travel out of the country (or even the U.S. Virgin Islands). Don't let it lapse.

[elleng]

4. And to vote???

[CatWoman]

14. probably would require a DNA sample

plus some of the original placenta.....

[Politicalboi]

27. That is coming IMO

I mean, why not? They have everything else, and driving is a privilege not a right. I'm really surprised they haven't started it already.

[Ship of Fools]

6. this is so effing transparent. evil mother****s.

[GopperStopper2680]

7. That's been our system in NC as long as I can remember.

And it sucks. It's to make it harder on the working class man to be able to support himself I believe. I live on one of the most conservative counties in North Carolina. They want to plow you under with their bureaucracies and force you to go into debt to them. It's the Whore of Babylon right out of the Book of Revelation.

[GreenMask]

15. Ever had trouble?

Have you heard of anyone ever having trouble voting because of it?

[GopperStopper2680]

19. In this state specifically? No...

But I have heard of things like that on the horizon and I've had problems getting my state ID because of it. A state ID or valid Driver's License is a necessary form of ID to get a job in this state so the system sucks ass.

[Politicalboi]

30. I needed my birth certificate

When I lived in Pa for a drivers license. It costs me $29.00 to get it even though I had the original b/c they wouldn't accept it, and over 25 years of driving in Ca. So people who need ID to vote may have to cough up $29.00 or more to get something they shouldn't even need if you have the original.

I never did get the drivers license after living there for 3 years with expired vehicle tags to boot. LOL!

[progree]

26. Bureaucracies? In North Carolina? I thought they were against Big Guvmint. nt

[badtoworse]

8. I had to do that in NJ when I renewed last year

It was no big deal.

[KamaAina]

9. Got vote suppression?

[onehandle]

10. I now have residences in Georgia and Pennsylvania.

I have a birth certificate, a Social Security card, tax returns, and multiple documents proving where I live(s).

Clearly middle-aged, middle-class white men like myself are a threat to democracy.

[CatWoman]

16. nah

just guys named Onehandle who USED to live in Georgia

[marmar]

12. They're not even trying to be discreet about it.....

How soon before they propose the reintroduction of Jim Crow laws?

[RebelOne]

13. I have been seeing all this on TV.

I live in Georgia, and fortunately, I do not have to renew my license until January of 2014, which will give me a year and a half to gather all this stuff they require.

[SoCalDem]

38. Here's how I did it..Googled the dept of vital statistics where I was born

You can probably do it all online like I did..

I had to do it a while back, and it was actually pretty easy. When I applied for my pension, I had to provide a marriage license. I photocopied it and used one of the copies for health insurance this last time (that was a new wrinkle to me)

This was Kansas, so if KS can do it , probably most states can.

In this day and age, parents should get a copy of each kid's birth certificate, and a copy of their SS card, and perhaps get them a passport for a graduation gift, along with their important papers.

[B2G]

17. It has nothing to do with voting

It's a result of the REAL ID Act of 2005. All states are required to implement these policies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act#Documentation_required_before_issuing_a_license_or_ID_card

[kenny blankenship]

23. Thank You.

Last edited Thu Jul 12, 2012, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Dear People: There are CONSEQUENCES to electing leaders who aren't committed to rolling back the burgeoning POLICE STATE.

[progree]

25. I renewed my drivers license in Minnesota with just my expiring driver's license

This was in December. I had to fill out a form with nothing all that special on it that wasn't on my expiring driver's license. And had my vision screened and that was it. I didn't have to bring anything with me except my expiring driver's license (and probably didn't even need that except to look up my license number).

On edit, in case anyone is wondering - Minnesota doesn't have a voter ID law yet. It will be on the ballot in November to enshrine a government-issued photo ID requirement into the state's constitution. No doubt it will pass, because, well, it just seems like common sense to the vast majority of people. And because we Dems tend to spend too much time talking/messaging amongst ourselves and too little time talking/messaging to others.

[Blue_In_AK]

35. I renewed my license in Alaska in 2010

with just my old license. I've never had to produce all that stuff, even when I first got a license here in 1975.

[kenny blankenship]

36. Isn't it amazing?

All this time you were a dangerous security risk and didn't even know it.

[RebelOne]

24. Yes, it has been all over our local TV Atlanta stations.

At least, I do not have to renew mine until 2014, which should give me enough time to get all that shit together. I do not have a Social Security card. I know my number by heart. And since I am retired, I do not have a W-2 form because I do not pay taxes any more because I collect Social Security. I do not have any paper utility bills because they are all automatically deducted from my checking account. I guess I will have to request paper bills through the mail so that I will have proof of my address. I have an original birth certificate some where if I can find it.

[liberal N proud]

28. And what does this all provide?

Those who don't have those documents will just drive anyway and the state will lose the revenue (tax) generated by the license fees.

[kenny blankenship]

32. it criminalizes (preemptively) more and more people

who will react to the new requirements they can't meet, in precisely the way you just predicted. And it is entirely predictable. That's what it provides.

Criminalizing more and more people is a HUGE WIN for the police state. In an ideal police state, everyone could be detained for something. Some people ignorantly believe that the goal of a police state is perfect compliance with the laws, perfect order. On the contrary! Everyone would have some violation of the rules, either ongoing or detectably present in their past or looming before them, that could make them vulnerable and susceptible to giving information to the police. Police POWER is the goal of a police state, and that power proceeds from the ability to use documentation and regs to turn ordinary people into "dangerous animals" who need tasering and jailtime. It is always good to multiply the laws if you want to make more criminals.

That's on the one hand - it will predictably produce more lawbreakers and make their non-compliance a more serious mark of "outlaw", "gangsta" or "oppositional culture" or "subversive" status. On the other hand, the "need" for extensive documentation achieves the Kafkaesque goal of Virtually Criminalizing everyone. If you do not have the full gamut of expected documentation THERE MUST BE SOMETHING FISHY ABOUT YOU. This police state pressure produces, over time, an attitude of dependence and subordination amongst the (let's be frank) now subject population of ex-citizens, an unspoken assumption and feeling that they must have the "OK" of the state to exist.

[liberal N proud]

34. Yep!

[cwydro]

31. same in NC

My license from Florida and my passport were not enough.

Amazing

[spanone]

33. it's called voter suppression. plain and simple.