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Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 03:37 AM Jun 2017

Dan Rather perfectly explains why Trumps attacks on Mika are the symptom of a much larger problem

Speaking with CNN’s Don Lemon, veteran broadcast journalist Dan Rather laid out the real reason why President Donald Trump’s tweet-attacks against MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski are so damaging.

Rather, who worked with Brzezinski at CBS News, focused on the dangers this sort of behavior poses to the office of the presidency rather than the content of the tweets themselves.

“This is unbecoming of the president, and I think even the most ardent Trump supporter has to somewhere deep in themselves realize that,” Rather began.

“It’s “not about policy,” Rather continued. “It’s not even about politics. This is really about common decency.”


(Includes CNN video - interview with Don Lemon): http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/dan-rather-perfectly-explains-why-trumps-attacks-on-mika-are-the-symptom-of-a-much-larger-problem/


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Dan Rather perfectly explains why Trumps attacks on Mika are the symptom of a much larger problem (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 OP
Decency standards do not apply to Trump TexasTowelie Jun 2017 #1
Really RobinA Jun 2017 #16
I despise John McCain, but when Trump taunted McCain for being captured and help KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #18
We believe in fair play...regardless of party...and taunting McCain showed Dump bresue Jul 2017 #25
I dont agree with your "executing a crimminal policy" annalogy INdemo Jul 2017 #30
The policy was criminal, imo, and "just following orders" has never been KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #32
If you were a Veteran you would probably see things quite differently INdemo Jul 2017 #36
So you dont have a fundamental moral problem with an advanced KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #37
Not to mention, it attacked many vets, not just McCain karynnj Jul 2017 #31
And attacked Gold Star parents. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #33
Trump holds nothing sacred. His existence personifies the profane - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2017 #34
How does Raw Story run a four paragraph summary of a CNN interview oberliner Jun 2017 #2
Good question, but they tend to publish stories from other sites Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 #3
The video is a good and interesting one oberliner Jun 2017 #4
I know that others here do, too, would prefer we used the original source Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 #6
Excellent Dan Rather.. and melania and sarah sanders Cha Jun 2017 #5
Dan Rather was on with Chris Hayes, too, definitely a voice we need to hear Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 #7
Yes, and Mahalo, Rhiannon Cha Jun 2017 #10
Dan Rather has long been a favorite of mine Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 #13
Dan Rather was born in the town (Wharton) where I'm living. TexasTowelie Jun 2017 #17
That is the coolest thing I've read today! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #21
I think Mr Rathers give to much credit to some of trumps supporters. krakfiend Jun 2017 #8
What he says is that not much will come of this unless his colleagues on the right Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 #9
trump is a thug.. it doesn't matter how much Cha Jun 2017 #11
President Obama has an amazing temperament Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 #12
This analysis is awesome FakeNoose Jul 2017 #28
Thanks so much! Like with Nixon, it's going to take his own party to bring him down Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #41
republicans pissed on the concept of "common decency" long ago Achilleaze Jun 2017 #14
When are they going to realize he's not a Republican? Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 #15
I've been wondering the same. He's Trump purely for Trump, the Trump party. He used them to RKP5637 Jul 2017 #26
Unfortunately, like with Nixon, it will take his own party to bring him down Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #40
The GOP leaders do realize it FakeNoose Jul 2017 #29
And that's sure worked out well for them, hasn't it? Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #39
The problem is that our country has not been able to reject this wiggs Jun 2017 #19
There have been a zillion red flags re Trump and gop...but recent huge red flags include wiggs Jun 2017 #20
If you are still a Trump supporter you have no idea what "common decency" is. Vinca Jul 2017 #22
It's totally beyond me, too. I really don't get it. Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #23
I like Mika...................better than I like trump discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #24
"Deep withinin themselfs" ? INdemo Jul 2017 #27
Recently Rather said, Trump "would have to reach up to touch bottom". Hieronymus Jul 2017 #35
Ah! Perfect! Thanks for that! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #38

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
16. Really
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 08:40 AM
Jun 2017

The common decency ship sailed for good when he mocked a disabled man from a podium on front of cameras. That, to me, was all anybody ever needed to know about Donald Trump.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
18. I despise John McCain, but when Trump taunted McCain for being captured and help
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 09:31 AM
Jun 2017

as a POW, that said it all for me.

Even if you beleve, as I do, that McCain was executing a criminal policy in the skies over Vietnam, he was tortured while in captivty. And Trump mocked that. You cannot get any lower.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
25. We believe in fair play...regardless of party...and taunting McCain showed Dump
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 09:02 AM
Jul 2017

taking cheap shots to gain popular attention. How can we respect someone who cheats, lies, steals, bullies to win regardless of what damage he does on the way?

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
30. I dont agree with your "executing a crimminal policy" annalogy
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 09:27 AM
Jul 2017

McCain was following orders from his Commanders

Trump will say what pleases his Militia base.

Let me ask you something though...Are you a Vietnam Veteran?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
32. The policy was criminal, imo, and "just following orders" has never been
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 11:23 AM
Jul 2017

a justifiable excuse since Nuremburg. However, I readily grant that McCain had nothing to do with the criminal policies in southeast Asia he executed.

Not a Vietnam Vet (too young by about 10 years), but have studied the period extensively, especially after 9-11, when it was clear we had not "kicked Vietnam" (to quote George H.W Bush) and were going to take sides in a long-running Afghan Civil War, the predictable outcome of which is now obvious for all with eyes to see.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
36. If you were a Veteran you would probably see things quite differently
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 04:22 PM
Jul 2017

for the Vietnam War era.
There are many things that I have disagreed with John McCain on but his Vietnam service is not one of them.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
37. So you dont have a fundamental moral problem with an advanced
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 08:50 PM
Jul 2017

industrial society bombing the shit out of an agrarian society? Well, OK then. Good to know and, truly, the Democratic Party is a mighty big tent.

In my opinion, McCain is damned lucky he wasn't put on public trial in Hanoi for war crimes.

karynnj

(59,492 posts)
31. Not to mention, it attacked many vets, not just McCain
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 09:28 AM
Jul 2017

And Trump then added insult to injury when captured on old tape as speaking of a personal Vietnam.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. How does Raw Story run a four paragraph summary of a CNN interview
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 03:45 AM
Jun 2017

And pass it off as its own reporting?

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
3. Good question, but they tend to publish stories from other sites
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 03:49 AM
Jun 2017

I really posted it for the video, thought it was a good analysis by Dan Rather, but I couldn't find it elsewhere so I used this source.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. The video is a good and interesting one
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 04:05 AM
Jun 2017

I just get annoyed with the way Raw Story operates sometimes.

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
6. I know that others here do, too, would prefer we used the original source
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 04:16 AM
Jun 2017

They usually include videos - like this one does - and if I can separate them from the article, I just post the video. But I couldn't manage it with this one and I thought Dan Rather's take on this was worth hearing.

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
13. Dan Rather has long been a favorite of mine
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 05:08 AM
Jun 2017

I used to work with CBS and his publicist was my news contact. He takes his news seriously, when he was CBS anchor, he'd only do "hard news," no gossip or "infotainment" on his broadcasts. We lost an important voice when he was forced to resign, so I'm always glad to see and hear him again, that he's still being given a national platform.

TexasTowelie

(111,829 posts)
17. Dan Rather was born in the town (Wharton) where I'm living.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 09:20 AM
Jun 2017

There is also a Dan Rather Room off of the University Commons at my alma mater for private group meals. An endowed scholarship for Dan Rather was created at Southwestern by Red McCombs (businessman and former owner of the San Antonio Spurs and Minnesota Vikings). There is also a building dedicated in his honor at Sam Houston State University where Rather received a bachelors degree in journalism.

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
21. That is the coolest thing I've read today!
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 05:47 AM
Jul 2017

He really is an American hero - and resource - besides occupying an important part of our history. He's the most serious news person around, but then he comes up with his "Ratherisms" which always make me laugh. Thanks for sharing this!

krakfiend

(202 posts)
8. I think Mr Rathers give to much credit to some of trumps supporters.
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 04:28 AM
Jun 2017

I'm not saying all, I know a lot of good willed people on the right. But a lot also will say that Trump was justified because of how Mika and Joe always attack him.

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
9. What he says is that not much will come of this unless his colleagues on the right
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 04:30 AM
Jun 2017

Start speaking out - which is starting to happen, especially over this latest attack.

Cha

(296,677 posts)
11. trump is a thug.. it doesn't matter how much
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 04:46 AM
Jun 2017

he's "attacked".

President Obama was too.. but he was Presidential material. He was able to go about helping the country nad the Planet..

Whereas trump has a Vicious Lying snizzy fit like someone who doesn't have control of his inferior anger issues.

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
12. President Obama has an amazing temperament
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 05:02 AM
Jun 2017

That was one of his best qualities. And that - and his intelligence - made him one of our very best presidents, IMO. He was opposed at every turn, but he never let that affect his temper or his vision. Trump is just the opposite - and I can't believe he's lasted as long as he has - or that anyone, anywhere can continue to support his recklessness and downright stupidity. It's wearing this country down, the opposite of what a president is supposed to do. Every time we think this has to be as bad as it gets, he manages to surpass himself...

FakeNoose

(32,527 posts)
28. This analysis is awesome
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 09:14 AM
Jul 2017

I love your compare/contrast of Trump to Obama.
Just brilliant. Thanks Rhiannon.

We can't get rid of Trump soon enough. He's already done major damage to our national psyche.



Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
41. Thanks so much! Like with Nixon, it's going to take his own party to bring him down
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:23 AM
Jul 2017

And they still seem reluctant to do that despite the damage and embarrassment he manages to inflict on a daily basis. The way he's going, 2018 is shaping up to be an electoral bloodbath - if he lasts that long. I'd already had it during the campaign.

As for President Obama, we sure could use some of his a little of his humor and wisdom about now. I don't blame him for giving this clusterfuck a wide berth, he faced enough obstruction and undeserved attacks for the last eight years, but after it's over, I'm hoping he'll join with the cleanup crew in any capacity he chooses to get this country back on the right path.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
14. republicans pissed on the concept of "common decency" long ago
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 06:44 AM
Jun 2017

when they began to screw over American democracy, and especially when they elected their freaking sad-ass republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief, Comrade Casino.

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
15. When are they going to realize he's not a Republican?
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 07:17 AM
Jun 2017

There are no principles or issues that he supports or cares about. He has no knowledge of history and has no wish to learn. He just doesn't care. It's all about him and he can't see past that. He's in this or what he can get out of it. If he's not getting what he wants, he has a tantrum - which becomes world news now - or just blows it off and plays golf. And our position in the world - and the effect we have on the rest of the world - is at stake.

RKP5637

(67,078 posts)
26. I've been wondering the same. He's Trump purely for Trump, the Trump party. He used them to
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 09:08 AM
Jul 2017

gain power, but he's not a republican anymore than a D or I. ... And he's likely to take the world down ... pure insanity at work!

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
40. Unfortunately, like with Nixon, it will take his own party to bring him down
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:07 AM
Jul 2017

And so far, they still seem reluctant to do that. I'm just wondering how much damage he'll manage to inflict before they've had enough.

FakeNoose

(32,527 posts)
29. The GOP leaders do realize it
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 09:21 AM
Jul 2017

But they embraced him because they figured they could use him as deflection while they steal the country.

Didn't we already talk about this? I've only been on DU since after the election (fairly new here) but this has been brought up many times. The Cheeto has no political principles to follow, no guiding light. Nor does he have any morals for personal behavior.

Trump is the Rush Limbaugh for the 21st Century. Get it?
We can't get rid of this guy soon enough.

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
39. And that's sure worked out well for them, hasn't it?
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 02:04 AM
Jul 2017

They may have thought he would be their "stooge," but it turns out he's just a stooge - who is in everything he does just for himself.

wiggs

(7,806 posts)
19. The problem is that our country has not been able to reject this
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 10:39 AM
Jun 2017

disease of a candidate and now president. There has been more than enough time to realize that this guy is making us sick. Not just dems or DUrs...he's making ill and dysfunctional the country, democracy, and our institutions that support us.

By now....our media, representatives, and public discourse should have been able to rally the 'antibodies' of logic, reason, morality, sense of decency, and justice to our defense. If our social and democratic institutions were healthy, he shouldn't have been elected in the first place, but even now there should be WAY more public discussion and movement toward limiting his power if not toward removal. That is, if we are even capable of it anymore.

I fear the longer this goes, the more obvious it is that we don't have what it takes to defend ourselves against this kind of invasion. As a nation, we lower the bar every single day this guy is allowed to use the power of the office the way he has been. And because of that, every day in office allows him to settle in and use more legal, illegal, immoral, and deceptive ways to do what he wants.

Trump has no mandate, little public support, no vision, no capability...and the GOP is ignoring it. Right now, they are the ones in position to defend us democratically and rationally and in a healthy democracy they would. But they aren't. The GOP stands in the way of our nation defending itself through expected channels of democracy, public opinion, election pressure, donations, etc.. They've built effective media empires, effective sociopathic funding mechanisms, voter suppression techniques, and gerrymandered districts so that they can operate with 17% approval to act against the best interests of most of the country.

How long do you live with a disease before you realize it's here to stay? Is our democracy getting stronger and more capable of defending itself as this goes on or are we getting weaker? 2016 was a big red flag. The way the media and GOP still talk about Trump the president 6 months in, after we know a lot more about him as the most powerful man in the world, is another huge red flag.

wiggs

(7,806 posts)
20. There have been a zillion red flags re Trump and gop...but recent huge red flags include
Fri Jun 30, 2017, 11:22 AM
Jun 2017

Recent huge red flags include:

...a year long denial of a rightfully elected president his SCOTUS nomination, with no political, legal or electoral consequences

...the 2016 election of an immoral, incompetent, narcissitic, sociopathic fat cat for the purpose of 'draining the swamp'. something fundamentally wrong and alarming there

...the continued discussion by the majority party and much of media of our current unfit president as though he is legitimate and able to lead our country and world in an appropriate manner and should stay in office

Vinca

(50,233 posts)
22. If you are still a Trump supporter you have no idea what "common decency" is.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 06:25 AM
Jul 2017

I can't imagine anyone not fleeing the cult after the pussy-grabbing video.

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
23. It's totally beyond me, too. I really don't get it.
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 06:53 AM
Jul 2017

How can any American accept anyone who is so horribly offensive as president?? When you think back to issues that got previous presidents in trouble - Jimmy Carter saying he had "lust in his heart," George HW Bush not knowing the price of a quart of milk, even Gerald Ford saying there was no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe - compared to Trump - boasting about his lust towards underage girls, costing the taxpayers thousands for protection for his adult extended family and (certainly the worst) his embrace and admiration for a Soviet-style dictator. Any one of these and dozens more statements and actions that would have sunk any previous POTUS just boggles the mind. Who would accept this behavior from anyone we know, let alone someone who holds the title of President??

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,475 posts)
24. I like Mika...................better than I like trump
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 08:56 AM
Jul 2017

The best that can be said about trump is...................
...when they write "How Not to be President for Dummies" book, he provides lots of fertile material and examples.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
27. "Deep withinin themselfs" ?
Sat Jul 1, 2017, 09:14 AM
Jul 2017

the only thing deep within a Trump supporter is a high volume of PBR and hatred for liberals.
This hatred has been bred into these home schooled idiots that skipped most classes.

Rhiannon12866

(204,460 posts)
38. Ah! Perfect! Thanks for that!
Sun Jul 2, 2017, 01:59 AM
Jul 2017

Not only is he the consummate newsman, but I enjoy his clever Ratherisms, too...

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