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Sun Jun 25, 2017, 03:42 PM

 

Schumer: 'You dont blame other people' for losing an election

TheHill:

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Sunday said you have to blame yourself, not others, when you lose an election.

During an interview on ABC's "This Week," Schumer said the lesson the Democrats should take from their loss in Georgia is that the party needs a clear message and agenda.

"Democrats need a strong, bold, sharp-edged and commonsense economic agenda. Policy, platform, message that appeal to the middle class, that resonate with the middle class, and show that ó and unite Democrats," he said.
"This economic message platform is going to resonate. Itís what we were missing, and itís not going to be baby steps ó itís going to bold."

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/339364-schumer-you-dont-blame-other-people-for-losing-an-election

Wise words Senator Schumer.

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Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 OP
KTM Jun 2017 #1
Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #4
Kathy M Jun 2017 #12
smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #18
SMC22307 Jun 2017 #26
LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #29
SMC22307 Jun 2017 #32
WoonTars Jun 2017 #36
Stargleamer Jun 2017 #2
LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #40
virtualobserver Jun 2017 #3
Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #5
CentralMass Jun 2017 #8
seaglass Jun 2017 #13
CentralMass Jun 2017 #16
Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #6
aikoaiko Jun 2017 #7
leftstreet Jun 2017 #9
Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #10
TexasBushwhacker Jun 2017 #34
andym Jun 2017 #11
ZX86 Jun 2017 #14
SMC22307 Jun 2017 #30
delisen Jun 2017 #15
delisen Jun 2017 #17
Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #21
SMC22307 Jun 2017 #25
smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #19
Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #22
smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #27
Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #28
Autumn Jun 2017 #20
Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #24
riderinthestorm Jun 2017 #31
Autumn Jun 2017 #35
MuseRider Jun 2017 #37
Autumn Jun 2017 #38
WinkyDink Jun 2017 #23
Nevernose Jun 2017 #33
Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #39

Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:03 PM

1. Sure is quiet here...

 

If a different senator had said the exact same thing, this thread would be on fire.

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Response to KTM (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:12 PM

4. Yes, crickets....

 

Suspicious isn't it...

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Response to KTM (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:56 PM

18. I like his message. He is spot on!

Thank you Chuck!

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Response to KTM (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:20 PM

26. Funny how that works. (n/t)

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:23 PM

29. Well It Seems As If Schumer is disagreeing with the Fact....

Democrats did nothing to cause the losses in 2016 and the Special Elections. And he's right. But if a certain other Senator said it, this thread would be on FIRE.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:44 PM

32. Perhaps...

they're tired from all that yawning over the certain other Senator working in PA, OH and WV to save Obama's signature legislation -- the ACA.

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Response to KTM (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:16 PM

36. No shit right?

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:05 PM

2. One does blame others when they share a major responsibility for your loss

I myself do very much blame James Comey and the Russians and the Trump campaign staff that were colluding with the Russians. Yes, we could have done better and gone with a candidate with less baggage. But it was Comey who cost us the election, and it looks like the Russians played a role as well

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Response to Stargleamer (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:01 PM

40. Schumer ...

Better start talking about the situation NEXT year concerning all of the voter-suppression on 'roids and ruskie involvement they'll BE in the 2018 mid-terms. And you're right: The ruskies did meddle, and we still don't know to what extent. We may not find out until YEARS from now. Updates about ruskie interference comes out almost every other week showing that their interference into our elections was far wider than we thought just a few months ago. Nance, Brennen, Comey, Watts Jeh Johnson and our Intelligence agencies guarantee that they'll be back, only this time we KNOW it'll be with new and improved tactics and dirty tricks that might extend over into more blue Dem strongholds than the ones that were compromised in 2016 (PA., MI., WI.). Those asses haven't ever stopped meddling--they're still doing what they do--sewing the seeds of divisiveness, spreading lies, have their bots all over the internet spreading propaganda etc., so we know they've been working on their NEXT encore into our elections where it concerns out antiquated, vulnerable voting apparatus. ruskie mission: gearing up for 2018. Where are the Dems on this?

Mr. Schumer: How in HELL will we be able to vote thuglicans out if our votes don't count? 2018 is not that far away, and we won't have enough time to fix all of the voting disasters that we have been warned about lay ahead for 2018. THIS woefully staffed Dept. of Homeland inSecurity isn't going to do jack squat to make sure Dems have an even playing field when voting, and they're sure not going to stop ruskie meddling. They're not contacting anyone to check on the viability of voting machines that I've heard. But of course they wouldn't anyway. We know that racist, big-eared beauguard doesn't CARE if Dems/minorities have the right to vote. We know putin's puppet makes up shit as he goes along. Now, it's Pres. Obama's fault for not stopping the ruskies from helping his fat ass win the presidency Then the next day, it's but the russhier thing is a hoax, and that's why I fired Comey (Mueller heard/saw him). Now he's going to give the ruskies back their compounds that were seized because they were jack asses for meddling in our elections. We know he has to give them back, or else. I'm sure the fat, nasty, mentally-deteriorating one will be blaming Pres. Obama and Hillary or which ever Dem for almost everyone around him, his weak-chined family, people in his inner circle (Lock him up Misha, Manaford) for having ties up to their eyeballs with the ruskies, because as we remember, he blamed Pres. Obama for Lock me up Misha's firing, because Misha was a treasonous asshole that Pres. Obama told fatso to NOT hire Yeah, it's Pres. Obama's fault that Crooked Kushner was back channeling the ruskies

Back to my original point: Schumer's talking about not blaming anybody for our loses. He has the right to his opinion. However, what we also KNOW is that thuglicans cross-checked, voter purged, and voter Id's dems OFF of voter rolls in 3 key states: PA, WI, MI. FACT. tRumputin won those states he had to win by 1%. FACT. We also know that the ruskies interfered in our elections, and that they'll be BACK say our Intelligence agencies: FACT. NO Dem, not even Bernie would have won THAT kind of rigged, meddled in by russia, voter-suppressed election. thuglicans like that rotten POS McConnell KNEW what was happening, and he wanted it to happen. He and thuglicans got what they wanted. AGAIN.

Dems better step up and start really talking about this. It's bad enough that it doesn't appear that they'll be enough time to FIX this voting situation before 2018, because we have a hostile, treasonous government installed right over HERE in the United States of America, and it's called the GOP and they have a useful idiot they're holding onto named tRump. The ring-leader resides over in russia. I mean damn, we're not calling the shots in our OWN country. And most Dems CONTINUE to play "nice" with that vile, evil, rotten, treasonous party who gives another crazy, authoritarian, strongman autonomy over US fro GD russia.

Lord have mercy, Jesus.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:05 PM

3. I could not agree more. Go Schumer.

 

I have always liked him. He is a straight talker.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:14 PM

5. Senator Schumer said:

 


"Democrats need a strong, bold, sharp-edged and commonsense economic agenda. Policy, platform, message that appeal to the middle class, that resonate with the middle class, and show that ó and unite Democrats,"

Very wise words indeed...

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:44 PM

8. I guess it is just a matter of who says it.

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 05:29 PM

13. Sure. My mom could say something negative to me about my kids or my husband, she's family.

But someone outside the family is not given the same rights. Have you never heard that before?

Though I am not and have never been a Schumer fan.

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Response to seaglass (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:36 PM

16. Well, I think Schumer has the right idea.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:17 PM

6. Not sure I've heard a lot of excuse making...

other than we yo-yos out here in cyberspace.

If we're talking strictly about GA6, at least. That was always gonna be an uphill battle, anyway.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:22 PM

7. For some these words are a vile attack on the party.

Thank you Sen. Schumer. Maybe the party "loyalists" will accept it from you.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 04:48 PM

9. "...its going to bold"

I wonder what that means

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 05:18 PM

10. I hope it means that the Dem leadership will finally push progressive FDR-like legislation...

 

...if and when Dems get control again..

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 08:15 PM

34. Hopefully it means "this incremental shit ain't working" n/t

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 05:25 PM

11. The key is that it should be something the middle class likes

For example. the middle class loves small business-- perhaps there can be a major focus on helping people create and grow small businesses. Such policies could easily be tied in to favorite Democratic ideas like universal healthcare. For example, a universal health care system that covers everyone removes the cost of health care from small businesses.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 05:39 PM

14. " its not going to be baby steps"

Does this mean we as Democrats are abandoning incrementalism as policy and philosophy? Are phrases like, "We don't have the votes" and "I'm not there yet" a thing of the past? Is bipartisanship and "reaching across the aisle" taking a backseat to traditional Democratic values and priorities?

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Response to ZX86 (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:35 PM

30. Excellent questions.

North Carolina Republicans seized power in 2010 and wiped out decades of progress in a matter of months. Seems many Democrats didn't listen, but they're living it now with Drumpf.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:24 PM

15. However it is unlikely to smack down Wall St or Pharmaceuticals

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so it's possible some will be disappointed.

I can see a vision for income equality, health care, and an attack on debt.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:54 PM

17. Will infrastructure without privatization be part of it?

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Response to delisen (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:08 PM

21. We can only hope...

 

Infrastructure is part of the commons and needs to be paid by the people thru taxes.
Private companies can bid for the work but not own it.

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Response to delisen (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:17 PM

25. It better be. Along with protecting the social safety net.

And legalization, using Colorado's success as an example.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:00 PM

19. What the Democrats need is a master marketing team.

We have so much to work with! So many positives and so much shit to fling at the republicans - and yes, before you get on my ass, I do believe we need to go negative when it comes to them - that we just aren't getting that message across.

I am so frustrated because i can see so much more. So much better! They need a great PR firm to get them out of this rut and they need to stop pointing fingers at EACH OTHER!

So who is going to take the bull by the balls and get this train back on track?

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:12 PM

22. Yes we do need a master marketing team...

 

We can do both: speak on the Dem goals and objectives and
nail the repubs on all the shit they do.

I also think we need to run candidates to run hard on the Dem platform.
Running as a republican in a republican district gives the people NO CHOICE. So they
always vote republican.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:20 PM

27. There is so much we can hit them on! We need emotional, hard hitting ads that

appeal to the average working person. It's a no brainer. Look at the campaign being run against Paul Ryan in Wisconsin. That is how you do it. We just need someone with some vision to lead this media campaign.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:22 PM

28. But, most importantly, we need to tell the people what Dems stand for...

 

It gives the people something to vote 'for' and not 'against'.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:02 PM

20. It was a great segment I like the thought of it not being baby steps but bold.

Thanks for posting.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:13 PM

24. It was and is refreshing...

 

The Dem leadership needs to push hard on a progressive agenda.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:43 PM

31. +1

 

Hey you!!



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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 08:22 PM

35. Hey you. Good to see you.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #20)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:36 PM

37. Incrementalism has it's place but

not in bringing the people back to health, protection and enough money to actually live without fear or suffering. Those things need to be handled now. Way to go Mr. Schumer. I had no faith in you, thought you were just another wishy washy dem. When you brought in Bernie, for whatever reason, I looked at you again. You have begun to show an actual hard liberal side with maybe not fire but with certainty. I like that!

Thanks Autumn, glad to see you.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:44 PM

38. Good to see you too. When he came on I was half paying attention but he seemed so up

and that really perked me up. When people are dying without health care incrementalism is not going to help.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:13 PM

23. I hope Chuck doesn't mean the Russians.

 

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 08:00 PM

33. The buck stops here & it stops at the candidate

Many people are responsible for losses or wins in politics, each to varying degrees. The individual candidate almost always bears 100% of the responsibility. The national party some, the hired strategists probably more than a somewhat-nebulous national "party." Obviously in this metaphor, 100% isn't the maximum. Either that or I graduated from Dan Quayle University.

Anyway: placing blame on others is, at absolute best, totally useless. We can only change our own actions. The answer to "What would you do differently next time?" cannot ever be "I've got no idea, but let me tell you what my winning opponent should do next time!"

This is the same reason I get mad at the endless Bernie-bashing and nearly-as-bad HRC bashing. It doesn't fucking matter. Bernie would have won the general election! I actually believe this, but so fucking what? He lost the primary. He wasn't the general candidate. "Rewrite history" is not a valid option for doing things differently next time. Bernie is a phony, self-aggrandizing, opportunistic asshole who could never have won! Is irrelevant for the same reason as above: it just doesn't matter. True or not, it just brings up hurt feelings and serves to divide.

If we really, really want to get into the Hillary/Bernie woods, then we should be looking at what they did right and try and repeat it. That would not only help us win elections, it would make us better people.

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Response to Trial_By_Fire (Original post)

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 09:49 PM

39. In a district that's been Republican since 1978...

and where the Republican won by 33 points at the last election, narrowing the gap to 3 points is a victory. Ossoff outperformed every Democrat who's run in that district for 30 years. Georgia's 6th district is rated as one of the ten most Republican congressional districts in the country. Looking at that result, a Democratic wave is likely for 2018.

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